Burned Restringing a Wilson Burn 100s

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  1. LOBALOT

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    My boy came home from high school practice last night asking if I can restring a racquet for a teammate as he needed it for today's match. It was a Wilson Burn 100s with wearguard in it and I thought to myself "no problem dad has got this". I prep-ed the racquet, went out to the Klipper site, and precut my string.

    I ended up performing that cycle several times actually! Two attempts later I was done and my family was complaining that I didn't have dinner on the grill. Good thing I was restringing it with GOGSM.

    I haven't seen many posts out here for stringing lately so I thought I would check for guidance.

    The racquet has 18 mains and 16 crosses and the second and third cross from the bottom are shared. Thus the problem (At least for me!).

    My first attempt was straight 2 piece and when I finished the crosses I couldn't figure out where to tie off without heading all the way back up to the 13th cross as the other holes were blocked. Just for kicks I decided to start over.

    My second attempt I did a Yonex loop and tied off the mains lower. I then skipped the 14th and 15th cross and then came back and tied off on 13.

    Is this the correct approach?
     
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    From memory the early and late versions of the Burn 100S have different patterns, though I don't recall the difference.

    I've only done the later version, the cross tie off is ok (last cross 7T, tie off at 9T) but the mains are horrid, last main is 10T, tie off at 6T - it's a long run and no sensible alternatives (9 is a cross, 7 & 8 shared).
     
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    Thank you both. Yes, it is the older model (non-countervail). It was a bear. I considered tying off at 5T but I had already strung the mains and the grommet needed to be bigger to allow the other string. It looked like the racquet had always been strung 1 piece.

    Yes, it was a long run which is why I tried the Yonex Loop.

    I need to take time for pre-stringing planning. In this case I was in a rush... figured it was no problem... and found it was a problem after I started.
     
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    I have a 100ULS in the shop today. Looks like I tie off at 9T. If you know how to put a point on a string with a razor blade, should be no problem.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Why not use 5T for the bottom cross tie off? But if you want to tie cross to cross 9T is a good choice also.
     
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    If I did not know how to cook, I would learn to order takeout. That's what phones are for. Your family can't be that helpless! :p
     
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    klipperusa says 6t-11b
     
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    5T is the first grommet barrel of the outside strip and is therefore also the longest barrel and designed to accommodate 1 string. I would not want to attempt enlarging it with an awl.
     
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    If 5T is only designed to accommodate 1 string why does Wilson use it for 2 piece tie off? Look at your picture above, it is easy to see (even with a limp string) another string will fit in that grommet. There is no need to enlarge the grommet.
    [​IMG]

    EDIT: But I would agree 5&6T are terrible tie off locations. I would consider using a 1 piece ATW pattern with that racket, and 9T would be a great tie location for the next to last cross.
     
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    Thanks I will use that argument with my wife the next time..... Which leads to a new thread idea!!

    Does anyone know if a cardboard box is enough to keep rain off an Alpha Ghost II Stringer?
     
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    As long at you can get the dog, your stringer, a cardboard box, and you in the dog house all at the same time you should be fine. Is the dog house wired for 120?
     
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    Actually, no dog but I am thinking of my first Talk Tennis Instructional Video... "Using an Alpha Ghost II as a Center Post with a tarp for a makeshift tent".
     
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    Surely you jest, you will loose your 360 rotation and you will not be able to get under the tarp if the highest point is on as high as the Ghost II.
     
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    For my first pass at restringing the racquet I had already strung the mains when I encountered the issue. I did try to tie off at 5T but could not get the cross string through the grommet as it was too tight a fit with the main already there and of course enlarging the grommet was not an option at that point. Thus, I went all the way back up to 9T. If you looked at the outside of the racquet it was an ugly string job with strings running this way and that which made me think there had to be a better way. The racquet is really a screwy design with the two sets of shared grommets where they are.

    I did consider ATW and certainly could have. However, I wanted to solve the puzzle.
     
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    With shared holes, I insert scrap strings into both after I run the mains in. Then I tension. This helps to prevent cross overs. If there are channels in the shared holes [the Burn does not have them IIRC] use the same relative channel for mains, e.g. bottom.

    I would do it 1 piece and tie the cross off at 11 or 9.

    Doghouse? Where's your garage?
     
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    I can't find a single Burn racquet in my Stringer's Digest where Wilson designates 5T as a tie off. Here is a picture from the outside. Does 5T look like a tie off hole to you?

    [​IMG]
     
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  18. LOBALOT

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    I struggled trying to get a string into 5T. Also, that long run back up the racquet to tie off looks a heck of a lot neater than mine did. I was left concerned with what the next guy would say when they got the racquet....

    It is looking like ATW is the way to string the racquet if not a hybrid and if a hybrid than the way I did it but perhaps a bit neater job is called for.
     
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    careful, @10shoe, you have challenged the Omnipotent One! A plague shall fall on your knots! Error is not an option, check that #5 grommet again, it simply has to be a tie off!!!!!!!
     
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    Wilson did not write the Stringer's Digest see post #2 for Wilson's instructions. I agree with you though, that hole does not look as large on the outside of the frame and @LOBALOT confirms that.
    I agree with you and if you use an ATW pattern you avoid those three strings crossing on the outside of the frame. See post #10

    EDIT: But if I was omnipotent, getting a soft string as large as a pencil through hole 5T would be a piece of cake.
     
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    A small task indeed for the Master of Marietta
     
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    Wilson Burn 100 S (same for Countervail)

    Len. 1pc 36'
    Short Side 10'
    Len. 2pc 20'x16'
    Tie Off M's 6T
    Start 1pc X 7T
    Last 1pc X 8H
    Tie 1pc X 6H
    Start 2pc X 8H
    Last 2pc X 7T
    Tie 2pc X 6H,11T
    Notes Shared Holes: 7T,8T
     
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    Can’t help but wonder...whoever designed that pattern, if they had something against people who string.
     
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    I was thinking the same thing. Kind of like a car I had in the 80s that I needed to remove the radiator to change the oil filter.
     
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    I find it interesting that Wilson's diagram shows stringing crosses from bottom to top.
     
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    I was thinking that I didn't understand what I was looking at but to me it looks like the red arrows are pointing the wrong direction as if one were stringing bottom up. I saw that too!
     
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    Yeah, I just strung one of these bottom up the other day. <Gasp>.
     
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    They always do. The only racket I’ve seen that Wilson suggested an ATW was the PS85. Both Wilson and Babolat show crosses to be strung bottom up using 1 piece.
     
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    It would be impossible to turn the arrows on the crosses around for 1 piece stringing.
     
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    Weird. I had 3 of those sticks and never had any issues stringing them. I gave my last one away so i cant see where I tied off but no bad thoughts about that racquet or thinking it was hard to string.
     
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    I was thinking the same thing. Kind of like a car I had in the 80s that I needed to remove the radiator to change the oil filter.

    Must have been a Chevy.
     
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    I have a special ATW pattern I use for Burn rqts, and it gives no string overlaps other than the 2 shared holes at the bottom.

    [​IMG][​IMG]

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    @uk_skippy on your pictures it appears to me 5T is large enough for a tie off location. Can 5T be used as a tie off or not? Not asking if it should / should not be but if it’s possible without expanding the grommet. Or is Wilson’s instructions right or wrong?

    EDIT: A new tie off 10T. LOL
     
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    @Irvin that 5T has been eating at you all weekend hasn’t it? @10shoe
     
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    @Irvin I can't remember which Burn the pics I supplied are of, but ech one while slightly different can be strung the same way. In ref to the 5T tie-off, i don't see why anyone would need to tie off there. Unless I'm using a hybrid, I'm always going to string the Burn ATW
     
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    Hi:

    Do you mind sharing the pattern with us just so we can learn?

    Thanks!
     
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    @Irvin Here's 6T and 5T. Note the inner diameters. Additionally, 5T is 7/8" long.
    [​IMG]
     
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    @10shoe please don’t confuse the issue with facts and visual aids
     
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    Thank you. I wonder why your other picture does not look the same?
    [​IMG]
     
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    Run in 8 mains on short side and on the long side run 7 mains, 15th and 16th cross, the 8th main. Come down on 9 main on the long side and run in the 14th cross and finish the mains to go back up on the short side. Tie off 13th cross at 10T.
     
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    Close, but there will a still be crossovers i.e. strings that lie next to each other on the outside of the frame.

    Run 8 mains on LS, hold with starting clamp. Run 7 mains on SS, then 15th & 16th cross, then 8th main, then top cross. LS then goes to 2nd cross from top, down missing 9th main on SS, along 14th Cross, back up 9th main on LS, then 3rd cross and continue to complete rest of crosses. tie-off on outer main.

    NB. there are different version of the Burn series; the X2 series and the newer CV verison. This pattern will work with most Burn frames, but you may have to adapt it

    Regards

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  43. Irvin

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    Same thing isn’t it? You’re running the bottom 2 crosses with the short side and I used the long side.

    EDIT: The way I did it you would not need a starting clamp.
     
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    Similar, but not the same. Just different ways to do things

    You'd only not need a starting clamp if tie-off the SS at the top. I wouldn't tie-off a SS main without running at least 1 cross at the top. Also, your method while is like other ATW patterns, mine for this type of rqt does not give an overlaps as shown in my pics.
     
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    If you string it like I said the pictures will be the same the only place where you have two strings side by side are between the shared holes not taking into account the top. I was just trying to describe how the bottom string and ATW works.
     
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    As mentioned earlier in the thread, the OP did not string the Countervail version of the Burn 100S. Your instruction link in post #2 and this link you've provided in post #40 are both for the Countervail version. I have a 100S in the shop today. Although the grommets are black, the hole sizes are same as the orange ones.
     
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    Will the real uk_skippy please stand up? (joke requires knowledge of US television game shows circa 1960)
     
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  48. 1HBHfanatic

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    I use 3 yonex loops to string this Raket. REDUCES (does not eliminate), the long runs on the outside...
    a fun raket to string, playes like crap though, haaaa
    recently did one of these.. last tie of at 10T (throat, with yonex loop)
    ive racked my brain trying to figure a better pattern 1pc , to no success,, haaa
     
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    Haaa, i like it, good job.
    I think I went down that path also ^^, but lost It.... gave up and did it 2pc..
     
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    Thank you everyone for all your help!
     
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