"Buttery Feel"

Hatari!

Rookie
I have heard people on this forum often say "this racquet feels like butter" as both a compliment and a complaint. Can anyone define a "buttery feel" and why it would be a good/bad thing.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Get your hands on this racket then you will understand for yourself.

Yonex RDX 500 Mid
I totally agree! :)

Another one with buttery feel is the Donnay Pro One Int'l.

Also, PC600, Max 200G, Volkl T10 MP Gen II, Tecnifibre TF-335, PS 6.0 85/95 etc.
 

bertrevert

Hall of Fame
it's flex - as you can tell by the frames listed - and that corresponding dwell time, lack of shock/vibration, that connectedness that rewards the throughput of your swing... sorry v vague...
 

Ross K

Legend
Very hard to put into words but (which is why I've had to think about it for 15 minutes!:roll:) here goes... to me it's about an altogether smooth feel joined with a special capacity for effortless top performance.

Also, the most buttery frame I ever personally wielded is definitely, without the slightest doubt, the PT 630. And having played with it recently after quite a lay off, I was again amazed by its pleasurable, totally easy-to-play-with, yet dynamic qualities. For me, it's the king of that smooth lush feel/performance that ppl associate with 'buttery'.
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
Think of the stiffest racket you've ever hit with. Then think of shanking a ball with the stiffest racket you've ever hit with. Think of how it made your arm feel.

Now....think of how you wished it would have felt. You've just defined buttery...
 

Return_Ace

Hall of Fame
Definitely agree with the RDX500 Mid comment...

I'm personally in the "complaint" camp with this... I'm used to hitting with an LM Prestige Mid so I thought I'd be alright testing out the RDX.... I couldn't really find any feeling from the frame, the ball just seemed to slide straight off the strings =S.
 

nickb

Banned
I totally agree! :)

Another one with buttery feel is the Donnay Pro One Int'l.

Also, PC600, Max 200G, Volkl T10 MP Gen II, Tecnifibre TF-335, PS 6.0 85/95 etc.
I wouldnt describe the TF335 or the 6.0 85 as buttery...they both feel stiff to me.

Some people like a buttery feel others hate it....to me the RDX500 Mid felt like a wet noodle that could snap in half at any moment...to others it feels amazing.

Nick
 

Bubba

Professional
I wouldnt describe the TF335 or the 6.0 85 as buttery...they both feel stiff to me.

Some people like a buttery feel others hate it....to me the RDX500 Mid felt like a wet noodle that could snap in half at any moment...to others it feels amazing.

Nick
I concur... the RDX500 was just toooooooooo flexy
 

thejuice

Hall of Fame
My examples of buttery frames would be:

PK Redondo
Dunlop MW 200G
Donnay Pro Cynetic 1 & 4
Donnay Pro One Intl
Yonex MP-1 and 2
Volkl DNX10 Mid
 

007

Professional
Dunlop MW200G
Fischer Vacuum Pro + VT98 Pro + red/silver Pro1
Yonex SRD Tour
Donnay Pro One
 

MrAWD

Semi-Pro
I have heard people on this forum often say "this racquet feels like butter" as both a compliment and a complaint. Can anyone define a "buttery feel" and why it would be a good/bad thing.
Since everyone was heading to point out the examples and racquets that have buttery feel, I will try to really answer your original question!

The good stuff: Typically your impact with the ball is very soft and comfortable, yet produces decent pace on the ball. The fact is that most of the buttery racquets are around 12 OZ, which help you to add some heat to the balls. Due to the softness of the frame, the ball stays longer in the contact with it, which typically increase the control of such racquets. So, another fact is that most of the buttery frames have great control.

So, in all, you have a frame that is really great for your joints (wrist, elbow, and
shoulder), produces good pace on the balls and has excellent control.

The bad stuff:
As you could see I never said that you could produce a very heavy ball and extreme pace with those frames. The thing is that once you start hitting harder and harder, extra flex that comes with such racquets starts to go against you. Sometimes players feel that there is not enough on the ball and they are trying harder and harder and that usually results in mistake and frustration which follows and consequently even more mistakes. At this time, it looks like that most of this is in the head of the player, but since that is pretty important for this game, I would use it as greatest issue with the buttery racquets. Of course, this kind of problem will typically start at higher playing level, so for most of us that shouldn't be an issue, but... The best example for this issue to appear is when serving hard with such frames. The flex doesn't allow for monster serves like some other frames do and those who relay heavily on those, will probable not enjoy those frames. The good part is that you can place the ball at will, which is another way to have a great serve!

Rest of it: Now, since those racquets are a bit heavy some people have problems with the 12 oz or so frames. Then, lack of power that is another attribute of those frames would also turn away lot of players. None of these issue has anything to do with the buttery feel and they shouldn't be confused as buttery racquet problems!

And the best racquet that I have played with that closely describes this feeling is Redondo Mid!

Fedja
 

GMN

New User
rdx mid

I got two of the RDX Mids if anyone wants to buy them. I believe they are 1/2 grip size. Great condition as I only used them for a few months a few years back.

email me at gunnarnelson@yahoo.com if interested.
 

matchmaker

Hall of Fame
Since everyone was heading to point out the examples and racquets that have buttery feel, I will try to really answer your original question!

The good stuff: Typically your impact with the ball is very soft and comfortable, yet produces decent pace on the ball. The fact is that most of the buttery racquets are around 12 OZ, which help you to add some heat to the balls. Due to the softness of the frame, the ball stays longer in the contact with it, which typically increase the control of such racquets. So, another fact is that most of the buttery frames have great control.

So, in all, you have a frame that is really great for your joints (wrist, elbow, and
shoulder), produces good pace on the balls and has excellent control.

The bad stuff:
As you could see I never said that you could produce a very heavy ball and extreme pace with those frames. The thing is that once you start hitting harder and harder, extra flex that comes with such racquets starts to go against you. Sometimes players feel that there is not enough on the ball and they are trying harder and harder and that usually results in mistake and frustration which follows and consequently even more mistakes. At this time, it looks like that most of this is in the head of the player, but since that is pretty important for this game, I would use it as greatest issue with the buttery racquets. Of course, this kind of problem will typically start at higher playing level, so for most of us that shouldn't be an issue, but... The best example for this issue to appear is when serving hard with such frames. The flex doesn't allow for monster serves like some other frames do and those who relay heavily on those, will probable not enjoy those frames. The good part is that you can place the ball at will, which is another way to have a great serve!

Rest of it: Now, since those racquets are a bit heavy some people have problems with the 12 oz or so frames. Then, lack of power that is another attribute of those frames would also turn away lot of players. None of these issue has anything to do with the buttery feel and they shouldn't be confused as buttery racquet problems!

And the best racquet that I have played with that closely describes this feeling is Redondo Mid!

Fedja
I do not agree that buttery frames can not hit a heavy ball. This maybe true for the Redondo mid but I have other buttery frames that are very good at put aways, the best I have played with in this category is the Wilson Reflex, a mostly unknown frame. It hits monster serves and has an incredible plow through. I think much depends on swingweight. A buttery frame with a high swingweight will have a lot of plow through.
 

matchmaker

Hall of Fame
If you want TOO flexy, try the Volkl C-10 or the Tour 10 VE Mid.
Everything is a matter of taste. I quite like the VE mid and I have heard people saying the C10 pro is much flexier...

BTW Breakpoint have you ever played with the C10? What would be your opinion about it?
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
BTW Breakpoint have you ever played with the C10? What would be your opinion about it?
Yes, I have and I found it to be way too flexy and unstable in the hoop. It felt wobbly when I hit the ball hard and almost as if the hoop was going to snap in half. Just not my cup of tea. I prefer racquets with a more solid feel to them.
 

MrAWD

Semi-Pro
I do not agree that buttery frames can not hit a heavy ball. This maybe true for the Redondo mid but I have other buttery frames that are very good at put aways, the best I have played with in this category is the Wilson Reflex, a mostly unknown frame. It hits monster serves and has an incredible plow through. I think much depends on swingweight. A buttery frame with a high swingweight will have a lot of plow through.
Well, if it ends up taking your arm away due to the higher swing weight, then that is not butter from where I stand. Buttery is that feeling when you hit the ball hard and it feels like you are cutting through the butter with worm knife! If your knife is getting out of your hand... :)

I was trying to be generic as much as I could, so there must be lot of examples against it that just confirm my theory! :)

Fedja
 

xr3fgb

Rookie
is it accurate to say that all 100% graphite racquets are buttery? curious what people think about that statement...
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
No, not at all. Hit with a Tony Trabert C-6 Graphite and you'll see what I mean. Absolutely no butter in that bad boy.
 

matchmaker

Hall of Fame
Well, if it ends up taking your arm away due to the higher swing weight, then that is not butter from where I stand. Buttery is that feeling when you hit the ball hard and it feels like you are cutting through the butter with worm knife! If your knife is getting out of your hand... :)

I was trying to be generic as much as I could, so there must be lot of examples against it that just confirm my theory! :)

Fedja
I just think that buttery and plow through do go together. At least those are two terms people mention in the same sentence when talking about the PC 600 or the Max 200g
 

Kirko

Hall of Fame
two rackets from the past come to mind. the dunlop max 200G & the prince pro alu. oversize. before that the kramer auto. I used for yrs. (wood). currently I think the KBT.
 

markwillplay

Hall of Fame
both of the Donnay's are buttery to me. Also, the head classic that my buddy plays with is quite buttery. I like that feeling.
 

hrstrat57

Hall of Fame
Dunlop Max 200g, strung with 16 ga gut, 55 lbs....just a little bit of lead tape, maybe 2 inches centered at 3/9.

All you need is a blueberry muffin warmed up and split in two......:mrgreen:

and some good technique
 
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