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fecund345

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Target accuracy is what makes a great tennis player. You can constantly work on improving yiur stroke mechanics, but from a proprioception standpoint your stroke is not broke, it is just work in progress.
Aiming at targets increase your idiothetic proprioceptive ability. It is the ability to feel by using your tennis strokes where every location on the tennis court is in reference to your current position.

Like a Djokovic, can we hit a ball to the backhand corner approximately 2 feet from both the baseline and the sideline 7 ot 10 times? We are to concerned with if our strokes look technically sound. Technically sound is good, but it is a continuing process of improvement.
In the meantime improve your accuracy. Targets take your mind off of stroke mechanics which are then relegated to muscle memory( proprioception) Relegating stroke mechanics to muscle memory gets you closer to playing in the Zone. It helps you play, as Dr. Timothy Gallwey suggested in Inner Tennis, listening to Self 2 and ignoring Self 1.
A target is like a a destination on a road map. If you don't have a destination you just keeping driving around aimlessly. Some of play tennis that way. Get it in his side of the court and wait for his error.

But remember, I am a tennis nobody, so please ignore this nonsense I am promulgating. HaHa.
 

mcs1970

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Target accuracy is what makes a great tennis player. You can constantly work on improving yiur stroke mechanics, but from a proprioception standpoint your stroke is not broke, it is just work in progress.
Aiming at targets increase your idiothetic proprioceptive ability. It is the ability to feel by using your tennis strokes where every location on the tennis court is in reference to your current position.

Like a Djokovic, can we hit a ball to the backhand corner approximately 2 feet from both the baseline and the sideline 7 ot 10 times? We are to concerned with if our strokes look technically sound. Technically sound is good, but it is a continuing process of improvement.
In the meantime improve your accuracy. Targets take your mind off of stroke mechanics which are then relegated to muscle memory( proprioception) Relegating stroke mechanics to muscle memory gets you closer to playing in the Zone. It helps you play, as Dr. Timothy Gallwey suggested in Inner Tennis, listening to Self 2 and ignoring Self 1.
A target is like a a destination on a road map. If you don't have a destination you just keeping driving around aimlessly. Some of play tennis that way. Get it in his side of the court and wait for his error.

But remember, I am a tennis nobody, so please ignore this nonsense I am promulgating. HaHa.

You must have seen this video though? The more you try to control things even with targets the more your strokes suffer as you consciously slow down to gain accuracy. Karue suggests letting go of control to get more control.

 

fecund345

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You must have seen this video though? The more you try to control things even with targets the more your strokes suffer as you consciously slow down to gain accuracy. Karue suggests letting go of control to get more control.

Didnt see but will look. Not suggesting slowing down stroke. Just concentrate on target not stroke production.
 

LuckyR

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Target accuracy is what makes a great tennis player. You can constantly work on improving yiur stroke mechanics, but from a proprioception standpoint your stroke is not broke, it is just work in progress.
Aiming at targets increase your idiothetic proprioceptive ability. It is the ability to feel by using your tennis strokes where every location on the tennis court is in reference to your current position.

Like a Djokovic, can we hit a ball to the backhand corner approximately 2 feet from both the baseline and the sideline 7 ot 10 times? We are to concerned with if our strokes look technically sound. Technically sound is good, but it is a continuing process of improvement.
In the meantime improve your accuracy. Targets take your mind off of stroke mechanics which are then relegated to muscle memory( proprioception) Relegating stroke mechanics to muscle memory gets you closer to playing in the Zone. It helps you play, as Dr. Timothy Gallwey suggested in Inner Tennis, listening to Self 2 and ignoring Self 1.
A target is like a a destination on a road map. If you don't have a destination you just keeping driving around aimlessly. Some of play tennis that way. Get it in his side of the court and wait for his error.

But remember, I am a tennis nobody, so please ignore this nonsense I am promulgating. HaHa.

Part of the issue is you're contrasting an end goal (accuracy) with a process (stroke mechanics), so you're ignoring the reality that excellent stroke mechanics can improve one's accuracy.
 

fecund345

Rookie
Here is a point of contention for me. We are told to aim at an imaginary point over the net for depth and safety. We don't know where that point is so we lise teack if where the bet tape is. So on big points we wind up hitting the bet tape for an unforced error. If we aim for the net tape but our groundstroke topspin projection intuitively will cleary the tape then we will hit tha imaginary spot over the net more consistently while being assured of not hitting the net tape as often as an error. You have to have targets to miss "accurately" to become sucessful.
 

fecund345

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Part of the issue is you're contrasting an end goal (accuracy) with a process (stroke mechanics), so you're ignoring the reality that excellent stroke mechanics can improve one's accuracy.
No i am not ignoring stroke mechanics and I said it is work in progress. What I am saying is that being at peace with your stroke as it evolves and concentating on accuracy will help you get the ball where you want. Good strokes lead to great accuracy. Great accuracy takes pressure off of great strokes in times of stress.
 

mcs1970

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No i am not ignoring stroke mechanics and I said it is work in progress. What I am saying is that being at peace with your stroke as it evolves and concentating on accuracy will help you get the ball where you want. Good strokes lead to great accuracy. Great accuracy takes pressure off of great strokes in times of stress.

The issue is it’s a holy grail. It’s not as simple as you are saying. I choose targets but I miss. When I miss, I tense up and the stroke speed gets compromised to attain accuracy.

Yes high level players can do it because they have years and years of practice. Just saying that targets by itself will improve accuracy is not necessarily correct.

That’s why I like Karue’s message. He is saying don’t worry about anything. If you trust your stroke and mechanics then let balls go long and keep doing it. Don’t consciously try for accuracy or control is what he is saying
 

fecund345

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The issue is it’s a holy grail. It’s not as simple as you are saying. I choose targets but I miss. When I miss, I tense up and the stroke speed gets compromised to attain accuracy.

Yes high level players can do it because they have years and years of practice. Just saying that targets by itself will improve accuracy is not necessarily correct.

That’s why I like Karue’s message. He is saying don’t worry about anything. If you trust your stroke and mechanics then let balls go long and keep doing it. Don’t consciously try for accuracy or control is what he is saying
Tennis is not simple...you are correct
 

matterer

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Targets take your mind off of stroke mechanics which are then relegated to muscle memory( proprioception) Relegating stroke mechanics to muscle memory gets you closer to playing in the Zone. It helps you play, as Dr. Timothy Gallwey suggested in Inner Tennis, listening to Self 2 and ignoring Self 1.
I'm not sure what you mean, but the esteemed Mr. Gallwey has a bachelor's degree in English Literature from Harvard University.

I would recommend focusing on both stroke mechanics and accuracy as they go hand-in-hand.
 

johnmccabe

Hall of Fame
You must have seen this video though? The more you try to control things even with targets the more your strokes suffer as you consciously slow down to gain accuracy. Karue suggests letting go of control to get more control.

That's one of my favorites quotes from him. Commit to the shot, instead of trying to control.
 

fecund345

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I'm not sure what you mean, but the esteemed Mr. Gallwey has a bachelor's degree in English Literature from Harvard University.

I would recommend focusing on both stroke mechanics and accuracy as they go hand-in-hand.
Are you familiar with Self 1 and Self 2? I never disparaged good stroke mechanics and I did indicate they work hand in hand with accuracy. But stroke mechanics is a tool and accuracy is the goal. Otherwise hitting it in or out would be completely subjective from a scoring perspective.
 

sureshs

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I struggle with this.

I constantly get punished for producing short balls which opponents can tee off hard and fast, and I erronenously blame my footwork/speed.

It makes sense when I think about it now.
Sometimes it is a boon for me. My opponents are old farts who cannot run to shallow balls so my motivation to hit deeper reduces. I have to constantly remind myself to do it.
 

matterer

Rookie
Are you familiar with Self 1 and Self 2?
I only have one self and he thinks Gallwey is a terrible coach who couldn't figure out how to teach tennis and Self 1 was just him projecting. And there is no unconscious self 2 that will learn and play tennis for you.
 

fecund345

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I only have one self and he thinks Gallwey is a terrible coach who couldn't figure out how to teach tennis and Self 1 was just him projecting. And there is no unconscious self 2 that will learn and play tennis for you.
Wow, now I know that you know everything. Thanks for that.
 

ballmachineguy

Hall of Fame
That’s great, but when stroke mechanics, when understood, and almost nobody does understand them, including YouTube pros, are so easy to reproduce, you might as well learn them and make tennis easier all the way around.
 

fecund345

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That’s great, but when stroke mechanics, when understood, and almost nobody does understand them, including YouTube pros, are so easy to reproduce, you might as well learn them and make tennis easier all the way around.
I am 100% for good stroke mechanics and the gradual improvement of them. I am not sure why people think I am advocating the abandoment of them.
 
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