Call me when it is a SLAM (Djoker and Rafa dont care about these masters)
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PerilousPear
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Surely they have them in some regard considering they are the outright record holders, and have nearly crippled each other more often than not in an effort to win them.
You really don't recognise an ATG in the making. Alcaraz will dominate the sport. Matter of time .
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
I got a feeling that phone will be ringing quite soon 
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
This is just irrational from you OP. If Carlos was some 22 year old dominating the masters then your suspicion would have made sense but he's 18 year old and is on verge of winning his second masters in a span of 1.5 month. If that's not special talent then what is ? When was the last time you saw 18 year old doing that well?
Lleytonstation
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Didnt say it was not special. Said I dont think he is ready to do it in slams... and he hasnt... yet.
Lleytonstation
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In the making is not the same as current ATG.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Well, no you are saying when he does it in slam. Remember he's not physically there to endure 2 weeks of 5 setter , give him time before calling him out. He's for sure winning slam in a year or year and half.
Lleytonstation
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Yeah 5-10 years ago...
The Blond Blur
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Lleytonstation
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I will call all these young gens out until they prove it on the court in the biggest moments. Slams. Till then, potential is what they are.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
That's ridiculous if you call out an 18 year old. Call him out if he's 23 and slamless. Untill then he's a special talent and not a mug. I am sorry but your take is ridiculous.
Lleytonstation
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Never said mug. Said potential. But if he cant compete over 5 sets at the big stage, then he simply is not ready and should not be treated as such. Seen it too many times the past decade. My take is the same take as all the others the past decade... I currently have a 100% success rate in calling it how I see it.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Well noone is treating him as such, all just recognising his potential and ability that he is showing. You are acting like a hurt man who has been cheated like girls for his whole life and then a girl show up and showed all love towards you and you don't wanna trust her lmao. Okay, let's bet if Alcaraz will be multi slam champion or not? if you are that sure ?? Can you?
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
If that was the case, they wouldn't have killed their bodies throughout the years to win all these Masters.
Champions come to win, no matter the tournament.
Silverbullet96
Hall of Fame
They don't "not care" about Masters, come on. Though it is true they care more for the Slams.
Lleytonstation
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I said he is not ready NOW. I do think he has potential to be great in the semi near future. That is not the FO nor WC. Maybe he makes a run at the USO.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Since you are saying you are never wrong on this. Neither i am in predicting player. I told my friend after 2008 AO semi that he's gonna win more slam than Federer and he laughed , i still maintained that stance even though he had a slump of two years. Okay, wanna bet if he turns out to be a multi slam champion or not??? Lol come on man.
Lleytonstation
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Rafa and Djoker have won 2 of the last 11 Masters...
Rafa and Djoker have won 11 of the last 14 slams....
Stop it.
Lleytonstation
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I bet he doesnt win a slam this year. In fact, I bet he does not make a final.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Since you lumped him with all the failures then why afraid to bet ,okay let's say he won't be a slam champion by 23? let's do it.
Lleytonstation
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Well, not like his competition will be difficult once Djoker and Rafa are done.
Bumbaliceps
Professional
Do you make a difference between him and previous promising players ? Do you feel like he is made of the same wood as them ?
Lleytonstation
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Hard to tell. Shapo looked special at 16. FAA looked very promising at 17.
The difference is he is winning tourneys. But, the talent level is much weaker than 5 years ago.
DSH
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If he surpasses Djokovic's huge record of weeks as world number 1, it would be sheer madness!
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TheNachoMan
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mike danny
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Honestly, the fact that a teenager can be this successful so far puts a dent in the theory that tennis today is too tough for teenagers. I'm glad about at least that.
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TheNachoMan
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Alcaraz is already more mature than Zverev and Tsistipas.
DSH
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Who determined that, besides, that the players who managed to win a Major at that age, except Chang, they belong to the list of the great players of all time, in different echelons, of course.
Alcaraz will most likely join that list in the next decade, probably.
DSH
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Who said he is an ATG at the moment. He is at the start of his career. All the greats though make an early breakthrough early and he is doing so.
What the less initiated are not understanding and I mean that with respect is that players are Visibly gassed after 3 sets with Alcaraz. Tsitsipas and Nadal and Ruud recently have faded . Alcaraz takes players legs.
Alcaraz can play equally well on clay and hard. Nonidea how he will be on grass. But grass is an irrelevance now really with one big tournament on it only.
Even if Alcaraz loses to Djokovic tomorrow I'll bet he won't ever again. I said after IW he will never lose to Nadal again. Today he utterly destroyed Nadal and it was only a 3 setter due to his fall. Nobody has ever dismantled Nadal like that on clay ever in his career.
Alcaraz is your next dominant player in the making. Get used to it.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Well, people who said that there are no teenagers in the top 100. At least a while back.Who determined that, besides, that the players who managed to win a Major at that age, except Chang, they belong to the list of the great players of all time, in different echelons, of course.
Alcaraz will most likely join that list in the next decade, probably.
Lleytonstation
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Yeah... No. Look around. Everyone is praising him as the next atg. You even said he will be dominating.
Maybe, maybe not. Remember that medvedev guy who dominated for a bit. He has one slam to show for all of it.
Well let's work it out. Looking at his generation unless there is an up and coming better youngster we have not heard of nobody is in his league.Come on, that's impossible!
So if he wins 2 a season for the next 8 years but in a couple of those 3 a season he will get close. He has 10 years before he is 30. Plus I fancy him to get the Calendar Slam one day .
He is the most complete player I have ever seen at his age. Nobody has ever possessed the amount of shots he has. There are no weaknesses really other than UFEs and shot selection. Both those will obviously be tightened up.
Lol. Do you watch much tennis? To compare Medvedev to Alcaraz is laughable.
Lleytonstation
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CYGS? Stop it. This is why it is ridiculous.
Lleytonstation
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One again you are looking at potential, not success. Med has 10 times better resume so far. So everything you speak of is potential.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
Yes they do and no Alcaraz isn't freaking Alexander "0-11 against top 10 in the Slams despite being 25 years old" Zverev and will play them hard in the Slams even now at 19 even if it's against Nadal at the FO or Djokovic at the AO.
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DSH
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mike danny
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DSH
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Well, what can I say, if Nadal says that Alcaraz has that something "special" that characterized him, Federer and Djokovic, who are we to contradict him.
This kid doesn’t have issues with brain cramps that plague FAA and Shapo.
Alcaraz is 19 though.
what_army
Professional
Serving is far from consistent.
Bumbaliceps
Professional
But Alcaraz looks VASTLY more promising than those guys. There isn't a single player that looked as much as "the real deal" as Alcaraz. How can you not see the gigantic difference between Alcaraz and all of the previous next genners... You would say the same if Federer was the upcoming player at the moment.
Medvedev is 26/27. Alcaraz is 19.
What are you even talking about. Of course we are talking potential. What are you talking about or did you think Alcaraz was 26?
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