Calling LeeD: What NTRP is this?

Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
Video title says "ITA Summer Circuit" tournament final, so you should be able to just look up the ntrp.
 

SoBad

G.O.A.T.
These ITA kids from SoCal are filing into NYC by the daily busload these days. A season or two on a decent 3.0 or 3.5 team, and you see them noodling on Canal Street waiting for the bus back to the West Coast.
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
4 minutes in, took that long....
Of course, 5-5.5, but weak 5.5. No weapons, both hitting to each other's strength, D-1, but not top.
 

TheWolverine

New User
God, the NTRP dick-measuring contests on this site are ridiculous. One of these guys plays for UCLA, the other for Utah State. The actual definition of NTRP 6.0 player says "The 6.0 player typically has had intensive training for national tournaments or top level collegiate competition." This is top-level collegiate competition. These guys are pretty unquestionably 6.0, and anything less than 5.5 is laughable.

A huge number of posters here seem to feel perpetually compelled to make themselves feel like a better player by underrating every video that pops up on the board.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
God, the NTRP dick-measuring contests on this site are ridiculous. One of these guys plays for UCLA, the other for Utah State. The actual definition of NTRP 6.0 player says "The 6.0 player typically has had intensive training for national tournaments or top level collegiate competition." This is top-level collegiate competition. These guys are pretty unquestionably 6.0, and anything less than 5.5 is laughable.

A huge number of posters here seem to feel perpetually compelled to make themselves feel like a better player by underrating every video that pops up on the board.
a post that actually makes sense? what kind of rubbish is this? it certainly has no place in this forum! :D
 

SoBad

G.O.A.T.
I should have known these were no-talent UCLA hacks. Wouldn't last an hour against a talented Columbia player like Winston Lin.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.

LeeD

Bionic Poster
LOTS of sandbagging in USTA League stuff too, it's almost comical how the cherry pickers are deliberately losing points to give away a few games, after they get ahead 4 zip or so. It's buzzing around the crowds everytime I see a 4.5 league match go thru it's moments.
 

SoBad

G.O.A.T.
Didn't Lisa Raymond ring on a 3.5 team in Philly at some point? Puts things into perspective for you.
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Notice in the vid, strong shot wide to the backhand side, 5.5 stuff, then a quick retreat back to the baseline, when the reply was a high floaty reset shot.
Notice, no strong serves.
Notice, mostly rally balls back and forth.
For sure, 5-5.5 stuff, but when they face a Euro Qualifier wannabee, they'd get 2's at best, because even the Spanish guys come to net behind a forceful shot to the backhand side, and even they can volley to the open court.
I"m low 4.0, no chance against them. But their peers, 5.5's, would destroy them in any important competition.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
...For sure, 5-5.5 stuff, but when they face a Euro Qualifier wannabee, they'd get 2's at best, because even the Spanish guys come to net behind a forceful shot to the backhand side, and even they can volley to the open court
so? same can be said at every level. Jason Jung who is ranked ~200 on the ATP now would get destroyed in a 250 event. does that mean Jason isn't a 6.0+ player then? there are always players who are better unless at the moment your name happens to be Novak Djokovic.

....But their peers, ..., would destroy them in any important competition.
lol...this was an important competition for them! it was the final! you must have thought these guys were just playing for ****$ & giggles, huh?
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
It was a TOURNAMENT. You and I know what that means. The best, and the worse, comes out.
Best...good movement, solid consistent baseline play, no DF's, making each other run by hitting topspin groundies.
Worse.... tentative play, afraid to end the point by coming forwards, weak serves.
We gave them 5-5.5. Some guys gave lower, not me. At that level, YOU must be thinking they are Futures, Q, and Satelite material. I'm saying they're not anywhere near there.
 

GuyClinch

Legend
God, the NTRP dick-measuring contests on this site are ridiculous. One of these guys plays for UCLA, the other for Utah State. The actual definition of NTRP 6.0 player says "The 6.0 player typically has had intensive training for national tournaments or top level collegiate competition." This is top-level collegiate competition. These guys are pretty unquestionably 6.0, and anything less than 5.5 is laughable.
Nah. You cannot consistently eyeball 5.0 players and above.. They all have good technique - move well and play in open tournaments. Greater then NTRP 5.0 does not really exist. Because there are no 5.5 and 6.0 and 6.5 leagues. So there is no basis for comparison. The only thing that seperates these guys is how well they do against other players..and if you don't know where the players are ranked - you can't eyeball that..

Merely having good looking strokes doesn't run you up to 6.0. You can find young teaching pros and such that hit as well as these guys..as college kids and such. Remember almost all the 5.0s are coming DOWN..Most of them were once superior players..
 

LoboLaw1984

Rookie
Notice in the vid, strong shot wide to the backhand side, 5.5 stuff, then a quick retreat back to the baseline, when the reply was a high floaty reset shot.
Notice, no strong serves.
Notice, mostly rally balls back and forth.
For sure, 5-5.5 stuff, but when they face a Euro Qualifier wannabee, they'd get 2's at best, because even the Spanish guys come to net behind a forceful shot to the backhand side, and even they can volley to the open court.
I"m low 4.0, no chance against them. But their peers, 5.5's, would destroy them in any important competition.
You almost made it through a Post without mentioning yourself.
 

navigator

Hall of Fame
I agree with posts 14 (an argument for 6.0), 21 (a counter to post 14, arguing for 5.5) and 28 ("c'mon, you can't tell above 5.0").

If I were an NTRP judge (which would be so appropriate seeing as I've never had an NTRP rating!) I'd vote for 5.5+/6.0- (even though these don't exist).

I always say I'm not going to get into these NTRP discussions and then... here I am... I hate myself! I'm disgusting... I have to go take a shower now.

(See you in the next NTRP thread!)
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Do you guys even play tennis?
A static 4.5 is someone who got there, but doesn't have the shots to advance, so that is his limit.
A falling 4.5 is someone who got there, but can't maintain anymore, usually due to physical inadaquacies.
A rising 4.5 is someone who got there, is just passing through, and has the shots of a 5.0, or 6.0, and is putting it together while passing through 4.5.
If you don't play tennis, you won't know this. Try playing tennis.
 

mikeler

Moderator
Do you guys even play tennis?
A static 4.5 is someone who got there, but doesn't have the shots to advance, so that is his limit.
A falling 4.5 is someone who got there, but can't maintain anymore, usually due to physical inadaquacies.
A rising 4.5 is someone who got there, is just passing through, and has the shots of a 5.0, or 6.0, and is putting it together while passing through 4.5.
If you don't play tennis, you won't know this. Try playing tennis.
The problem is this. Most players are juniors when they pass by the 4.5 NTRP level. Therefore they never even get assigned a rating until they are at least 18.
 

Moveforwardalways

Hall of Fame
NTRP ratings above 4.5 are for theoretical/entertainment purposes only. 5.0 and above is higher level college and professional tennis. 5.0 and up players don't play adult rec league tennis, so there is no real NTRP rating for that.
 
NTRP ratings above 4.5 are for theoretical/entertainment purposes only. 5.0 and above is higher level college and professional tennis. 5.0 and up players don't play adult rec league tennis, so there is no real NTRP rating for that.
NTRP is relevant up to and including 5.5. 18 and over 5.0+ teams are allowed up to two 5.5 players per team.
 

Chotobaka

Hall of Fame
Do you guys even play tennis?
A static 4.5 is someone who got there, but doesn't have the shots to advance, so that is his limit.
A falling 4.5 is someone who got there, but can't maintain anymore, usually due to physical inadaquacies.
A rising 4.5 is someone who got there, is just passing through, and has the shots of a 5.0, or 6.0, and is putting it together while passing through 4.5.
If you don't play tennis, you won't know this. Try playing tennis.
No, nobody here plays or knows anything about tennis. Only you. You are the fugazzi godhead.
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Was I specifically addressing YOU, Chotobaka? Or was I addressing the idiots who say there is no such thing as "rising", "static", or "falling"?
If you believe it's all just "4.5", then maybe I should be addressing YOU specifically.
 
Jaime Barajas was a fairly solid player in so cal boys 18's a few years ago. I'm a bit younger but I always saw him at tournaments. Didn't know he went on to play D1 tho
 

Chotobaka

Hall of Fame
Was I specifically addressing YOU, Chotobaka? Or was I addressing the idiots who say there is no such thing as "rising", "static", or "falling"?
If you believe it's all just "4.5", then maybe I should be addressing YOU specifically.
What do you expect with your "Do you guys even play tennis?" remark? It is the incessant bragging, idiotic posing and friggin' rambling BS stories that most people here take issue with. You are the most erratic, disjointed and delusional poster here. Enjoy the ride on the crazy train. You should at least try to be more dignified at your age. You are a total embarrassment. The best advise I can give you... STFU.
 
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Flatballs

Banned
Do you guys even play tennis?
A static 4.5 is someone who got there, but doesn't have the shots to advance, so that is his limit.
A falling 4.5 is someone who got there, but can't maintain anymore, usually due to physical inadaquacies.
A rising 4.5 is someone who got there, is just passing through, and has the shots of a 5.0, or 6.0, and is putting it together while passing through 4.5.
If you don't play tennis, you won't know this. Try playing tennis.
Says the flog that doesnt even have an actual ranking but calls himself a 4.0
 
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LoboLaw1984

Rookie
Do you guys even play tennis?
A static 4.5 is someone who got there, but doesn't have the shots to advance, so that is his limit.
A falling 4.5 is someone who got there, but can't maintain anymore, usually due to physical inadaquacies.
A rising 4.5 is someone who got there, is just passing through, and has the shots of a 5.0, or 6.0, and is putting it together while passing through 4.5.
If you don't play tennis, you won't know this. Try playing tennis.
I have never heard those rising/falling terms until I heard them from you. And yes, I have played tennis for 12 years.
 

LoboLaw1984

Rookie
I know these things because back in '82, I used to play Billy "Peanut" McGee, one of the top juniors in NorCal. Of course, she was a rising 5.5 at the time and I was a top 3.5. I used to play her to a draw about half the time. That was before the East Indians started to dominate the Socal scene. Back then I could toss a pig skin a quarter mile and had a 5 foot vertical jump, so I had one of the fastest serves this side of the Mississippi. Jimmy "Crackerjack" Johnson used to get games off me, but he was only a falling 4.0, and I am a hard-hitting 4.0, so he couldn't touch me.
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Of course, experience often trumps INexperience.
I"ve cycled thru countless juniors who went to state ranked to adulthood, thru 4.5-5.0, called "rising" level of players, and know tons of old farts "FALLING" from a level downward, called "falling", at their level.
YOU think a player attains a level and never moves from there. You have lots to learn.
 

LoboLaw1984

Rookie
Of course, experience often trumps INexperience.
I"ve cycled thru countless juniors who went to state ranked to adulthood, thru 4.5-5.0, called "rising" level of players, and know tons of old farts "FALLING" from a level downward, called "falling", at their level.
YOU think a player attains a level and never moves from there. You have lots to learn.
I understand your definition of rising/falling players. I just think you are the one who invented the terms.
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Well, in that case, THANK YOU!
No, I can't take credit, it's a term I heard my 3rd year of tennis, when I was first going to Golden Gate Park. There's all these old fart backgammon players in the clubhouse, mostly playing ....backgammon. Once a week or so, one of them would head out to the courts for a hit, with one of the other backgammon players. They looked pretty darn good! At hitting tennis balls. I asked one of the locals, and he called them "falling B players". Meaning, 4.5's who got old, didn't practice much, but could still provide some nice strokes, when the conditions presented itself.
With "falling", comes "rising". At the time, my buds in CCSF team, and hopefully ME.
 
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