Can a prospective recruit play with college team members?

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  1. TennisTaxi

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    If a prospective recruit visits a college, is he allowed to play with members of the college tennis team?
     
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  2. JLyon

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    if they can, there can not be a coach present as it would represent a try-out which is against NCAA regs.
    I would need to check and see though if they can.
     
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    Ditto, no restriction so long as the head and assistant coach aren't present. A graduate assistant can be present.
     
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  4. TennisTaxi

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    So if a prospective student goes goes on an unofficial visit to a school, he can later go hit with the team players if no coaches are present. Is there any time during the recruiting process that a player can play at the school with the coach present...or is a player usually recruited without a coach ever seeming him/her playing with the other members of the team?

    I am especially curious about this since my son is a doubles player and would like to play in college....
     
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  5. MIGHTY MANFRED THE WONDER

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    A kid can play with a player- but the coach can't "see" him- Then the current team member walks into the coach's office and tells him exactly how things went. That makes about as much sense as all the other NCAA rules destroying men's tennis.

    I think a potential player would want to have as much "informal" visiting time with current team players; They can tell the coach if a the player "fits" with the team-If he "ok", or a real tool.

    The threads on the subject note that most college coaches DON'T run around the world looking at players- They just don't have that kind of money; Send a CD for crying out loud.
    I would think a pretty clever way of being seen at a particular school would be the tennis camps they run, or ones near by.
     
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    Actually the newest technology is on-line access to college videos, various sites offer this...my son already has this, coaches have watched and shown interest...but that is not his concern... You hit it on the head, how do you know if there will be a fit if you can't hang and play with a team, participate in a practice see how match day plays out, etc. He is starting to think about college visits which will hopefully coincide with matches or practice but this may not always work out...

    Some of these NCAA rules are worthless:confused:
     
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  7. MIGHTY MANFRED THE WONDER

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    Look up Coach Carter's posts- They are a good start in understanding that of all the majors, classes and degrees your student will be involved in-Tennis is not one of them.

    As a minor sport, and with what is offered in the way of athletic scholarships, they better really enjoy tennis vs. a "regular" University experience;No real friends that are not on the team, hanging out going to games and some beer, grades for post graduate acceptance and study... And I hope he has 2-3 languages under his belt to understand the foreign team mates and compassion for the "one dimensional" players on the team who never have been exposed to anything but tennis their whole lives.

    Coach Carter has posted a number of Newspaper articles on the sacrifices made by "minor" sports players- and it is eye opening.

    When you start to weigh sacrifices compared to the amount of money offered- Your student maybe better off doing Work-Study in a Department/Major he enjoys and wants to excel in- For the same amount of scholarship money. Now, thats something to think about.
     
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  8. W4TA

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    Can anyone clarify this rule, whether or not a DI or DIII recruit can hit with team member if the coach is not present. This thread has not been updated in 7-8 years, and I cannot verify if the rules have changed.

    My son is making official visits to both DI and DIII schools in the next couple weeks. One DIII coach said the coach himself could not organize or attend a hitting session with a team player, but my son could arrange a hit on his own without the coach in attendance.

    On the other hand, a DI coach said my son could not set up a hitting session with a player, even with the DI coach not in attendance. However, this particular DI coach is not the best communicator... and I'm not convinced he properly communicated the rule.

    Any clarification on this rule would be appreciated. Thanks.
     
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  9. Mrs.Weasley

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    My son is now a college freshman, so his experiences are a little dated. He also was looking at both D1 and DIII schools. At every school visit, he asked if it would be possible to hit with a player on the team. Some coaches (both D1 and DIII) said no to his request, while other coaches (again D1 and DIII) arranged for him to hit with a player on the team when the coach wasn't present.

    Good luck to your son on his recruiting journey!
     
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  10. jcgatennismom

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    Last spring and fall, both at unofficial and official visits, my now freshman son was able to hit with team members when the coach was not present-two of the schools were ranked power schools so I am sure they were following the rules. He also hit at a couple MM schools; for one of those the team captain called to ask him to hit and said they had to hit off campus. All the other hits were on campus. For the latter, son lived an hour from school and just drove to meet the team captain whom he had met before-that would not even be considered an UV I guess.

    If your son is making official visits in Sept, ask if you will be able to watch a coach led practice. There are NCAA rules about when teams can start coach led practices, so at son's two early Sept visits, he only got to watch short student run practices. When he made UVs as a junior, he was able to watch a full practice, match the next day, etc. Some UVs can almost be the same as OVs except player is not staying on campus and is paying all his own expenses. Despite the expense, he learned more about some teams from UVs; for one UV he stayed at a hotel for 2 days near campus, visited a class, hung out and ate with team at own expense, etc, and then returned to hotel at 10 or 11pm.

    I hope your son is visiting his top choices first. Some coaches may give a player a month to decide, others may give only a week if offers come during visits.
     
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    My son was told the same, he could only hit with team members off campus and with no coaches present. My son found watching practices incredibly helpful. He got a sense of the true personality of the coach (they were all super nice during recruiting but watching practices and matches helped my son determine whether they were different once recruiting was done), the dynamic between the players (were they encouraging each other and cheering each other on? Or as he saw at more than one school, yelling at each other and accusing each other of cheating?, etc), and gave my son a chance to decide if practices were run in a way that he believed would help him improve over the four years of school. Good luck with your son's process!
     
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  12. BusyMom

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    My daughter made official visits to D3 colleges last year. At each visit, a girl on the team asked her to hit while the coach was not present. Best I could tell, as long as the coach doesn't ask the recruit to hit with the player and does not observe the game, it is allowed. My daughter didn't find hitting at the college to be helpful. But she did think observing the team practice was very useful.
     
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  13. andfor

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    It would be nice to get a copy and paste of the actual NCAA rules for practicing with team members during recruiting visits. However, this thread appears to be covering what's allowed and not allowed regarding tryouts with team members on NCAA tennis teams.

    While it does not seem to be subject of this thread, as information, tryouts are allowed at NJCAA and NAIA programs.
     
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  14. randomcollegeplayer

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    Current player here. We are allowed to hit with recruits. Doing so is pretty much mandatory - we have to see how they can hit. Also, if the coach just happens to be in the area and just happens to walk by, no rules have been broken to my knowledge. And if they have been, no one cares.
     
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    LSU Women's Program just got hit with NCAA Infractions, Coaches can not be there and can not force current players to hit with Recruits, it is an NCAA violation if reported. Now does it happen, yes, but coaches know the rules. Coaches can not set up the hits, it has to be spontaneous or setup by the recruit.
     
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