Can a tennis racquet make you a better player?! Can the wrong racquet make you worst? Pro-stock chat & form vs. function debate!

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Join us as we debate good tennis vs. pretty tennis; form vs. function and if a PRO STOCK tennis racquet can really improve your tennis...and what about the wrong racquet, can that make you a worst player?! Let us know what you think!

Happy Hitting!
 
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Bagumbawalla

G.O.A.T.
Can a tennis racket make you a better player?

Actually I find it frustrating to play tennis without a racket, but that's another matter.
In general a player finds their first racket by trial and error. Eventually that racket feels normal to them.
Eventually, if these players become pros, and they tend to want to continue as much as possible
with the same racket they grew up and had success with. That is where we get so many special-built rackets
that replicate the old frames the pros grew up with and feel most comfortable to them, but are, unfortunately,
no longer available.
I could be wrong... or maybe not.
 

Grafil Injection

Hall of Fame
We will be recording a follow up episode here...so drop any thoughts, comments, questions and we will add them into the discussion :)

Michelle, TW

What about the benefits of smaller rackets, like mid-sizes? I'm sure if you warm-up with MAX 200G or similar each session, you are more likely to develop earlier preparation, correct positioning and more accurate ball tracking.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
What about the benefits of smaller rackets, like mid-sizes? I'm sure if you warm-up with MAX 200G or similar each session, you are more likely to develop earlier preparation, correct positioning and more accurate ball tracking.
But pros don't seem to do this, even when they were juniors.
 

socallefty

G.O.A.T.
What about the benefits of smaller rackets, like mid-sizes? I'm sure if you warm-up with MAX 200G or similar each session, you are more likely to develop earlier preparation, correct positioning and more accurate ball tracking.
95% of rec players sucked during the days of wood/Max 200G just like they do now. I know because I lived it - there were even less good rec players as a % in the 70s/80s because it was even harder to play with small racquets with smaller sweet spots and low power. The correlation is with whether they learned proper fundamentals either from a coach or mentor, practiced a lot and/or had athletic skills from playing other sports whether you will progress to the 5% whose rec tennis skills doesn’t suck. Nothing to do with the racquet you play with.

You can’t hit properly unless you have the proper footwork, grip, body coil/uncoil, offhand use, spacing etc. - so the racquet and swing path is the tail of the dog in terms of whether you can play good tennis or not. If you lack the other fundamentals, you will have a low ceiling and your racquet head size won’t change that. You won’t magically do everything else correctly because your racquet is harder to play with.
 

Grafil Injection

Hall of Fame
95% of rec players sucked during the days of wood/Max 200G just like they do now. I know because I lived it - there were even less good rec players as a % in the 70s/80s because it was even harder to play with small racquets with smaller sweet spots and low power. The correlation is with whether they learned proper fundamentals either from a coach or mentor, practiced a lot and/or had athletic skills from playing other sports whether you will progress to the 5% whose rec tennis skills doesn’t suck. Nothing to do with the racquet you play with.

You can’t hit properly unless you have the proper footwork, grip, body coil/uncoil, offhand use, spacing etc. - so the racquet and swing path is the tail of the dog in terms of whether you can play good tennis or not. If you lack the other fundamentals, you will have a low ceiling and your racquet head size won’t change that. You won’t magically do everything else correctly because your racquet is harder to play with.

I find it useful for a warm-up tool. Not suggesting we all play mid-sizes all the time (even though I do because of the increased pleasure).
 

socallefty

G.O.A.T.
I find it useful for a warm-up tool. Not suggesting we all play mid-sizes all the time (even though I do because of the increased pleasure).
It certainly can train you to watch the ball more carefully through the forward swing - harder to hit the smaller sweet spot otherwise. So if you have good fundamentals, it can be a training tool once in a while - that’s why you have products like ‘Tennispointer’ which I used once and liked.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
What about the benefits of smaller rackets, like mid-sizes? I'm sure if you warm-up with MAX 200G or similar each session, you are more likely to develop earlier preparation, correct positioning and more accurate ball tracking.
You really believe that smaller head sizes will make players prep earlier and move their feet more? I have yet to see anyone change the timing of their prep because they switched to a racquet with a different head size or suddenly move better. If you don’t know how to move, a smaller racquet doesn’t and won’t teach you how.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.

Join us as we debate good tennis vs. pretty tennis; form vs. function and if a PRO STOCK tennis racquet can really improve your tennis...and what about the wrong racquet, can that make you a worst player?! Let us know what you think!

Happy Hitting!
Hi Michelle, I know you and Troy but I’m not familiar with the other fellow. Who is he?
 

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Hi Michelle, I know you and Troy but I’m not familiar with the other fellow. Who is he?
Tim Foley! He is another tennis legend - he works here too but has some wild stories!
Lots of tennis experience -- good friends with Mats Wilander; played at Foothill College (if you know you know) and is intertwined in the tennis world! He has a great perspective and some fun points of view!

Here was his 1st episode on the podcast:

Michelle, TW
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
Tim Foley! He is another tennis legend - he works here too but has some wild stories!
Lots of tennis experience -- good friends with Mats Wilander; played at Foothill College (if you know you know) and is intertwined in the tennis world! He has a great perspective and some fun points of view!

Here was his 1st episode on the podcast:

Michelle, TW
Thanks, Michelle! Interesting viewpoints about tennis in this episode. I was surprised by Tim's following statements. "The technique that matters is naturally occurring. The thing that's not naturally occurring is understanding what's the objective of it all." I don't agree with Tim's statements but perhaps I don't fully understand the context of his statements. In my experience with tennis, not much is naturally occurring until the player has been taught solid fundamentals/technique and has put in enough repetitions for everything to occur naturally.
 

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Thanks, Michelle! Interesting viewpoints about tennis in this episode. I was surprised by Tim's following statements. "The technique that matters is naturally occurring. The thing that's not naturally occurring is understanding what's the objective of it all." I don't agree with Tim's statements but perhaps I don't fully understand the context of his statements. In my experience with tennis, not much is naturally occurring until the player has been taught solid fundamentals/technique and has put in enough repetitions for everything to occur naturally.
He has a very holistic (?!) approach and has experienced a lot of life :)

We debate stuff like this it ALL. THE. TIME. There is no right or wrong. He is a big believer that your DNA has a big role in who you are (on and off the court) -- for example, he reminds me of the people who say "they won because they wanted it more" sort of is a bit silly...and when you stop and think about that, it starts to make more sense...as if the qualifier who lost in the last round didn't want it enough but then they get LL'd into the draw and fight so hard and are right there but lose -- don't think it is because they didn't want it enough ;)
It's deep stuff but I love to debate and discuss...

Check out his blog if you get a chance, some fun articles and perspectives that might give you a shift in thoughts

Michelle, TW
 
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mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
He has a very holistic (?!) approach and has experienced a lot of life :)

We debate stuff like this it ALL. THE. TIME. There is no right or wrong. He is a big believer that your DNA has a big role in who you are (on and off the court) -- for example, he reminds me of the people who say "they won because they wanted it more" sort of is a bit silly...and when you stop and think about that, it starts to make more sense...as if the qualifier who lost in the last round didn't want it enough but then they get LL'd into the draw and fight so hard and are right there but lose -- don't think it is because they didn't want it enough ;)
It's deep stuff but I love to debate and discuss...

Check out his blog if you get a chance, some fun articles and perspectives that might give you a shift in thoughts

Michelle, TW
:unsure: think i'd fit right in. :)

I agree with Tim that the DNA of the person has a big role in the type of player he/she develops into. Regarding right or wrong in tennis...my view is there is no RIGHT or WRONG way to play the game or hit the ball. My viewpoint is MORE IDEAL and LESS IDEAL which will be different for each player depending on their DNA.
 
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