Can Alcaraz-Sinner become the greatest tennis rivalry of all time?

Can Alcaraz-Sinner become the best tennis rivalry ever?

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Best? It certainly won't be the most important. The odds of both of them winning 20+ slams are slim. The odds of one of them winning 20+ slams are slim.
 
It's going to be interesting to see if the pre-eminence of Sincaraz inspires additional parties to join the fray the same way Federer birthed Nadal, Murray, Stan, Djokovic, or if it has the opposite effect.

The duopoly may prove so intimidating that we get a generation of players who rather than being inspired, relax into the role of being happy runners-up and Sinner and Alcaraz retain a constant gap.

Zod must have been watching Sinner and Alcaraz this week and thanking his lucky stars that he vultured his clay m1000s when he had the chance.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
Nah. Mensik is bot.

Draper is worse than Murray.
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draper’s conditioning is getting better and he hits faster first serve, more percentage in first serve, faster, higher rpm ball than sinner. I think he can really compete, maybe it’s just wishful thinking though as I like the guy, willing to admit I’m biased. but I like both of them.
 
Subway Tennis said:
It's going to be interesting to see if the pre-eminence of Sincaraz inspires additional parties to join the fray the same way Federer birthed Nadal, Murray, Stan, Djokovic, or if it has the opposite effect.

The duopoly may prove so intimidating that we get a generation of players who rather than being inspired, relax into the role of being happy runners-up and Sinner and Alcaraz retain a constant gap.

Zod must have been watching Sinner and Alcaraz this week and thanking his lucky stars that he vultured his clay m1000s when he had the chance.
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I doubt that he thought that hehe. He feels he deserves to be a multiple slam winner. He is delusional
 
Guys you can't promote draper and demote zverev even today. Draper is as old as sinner. He is 1 time masters winner.

Zverev won 2 masters in last year itself.

Draper might be good enough but then so is zverev. Otherwise both aren't.

Even in Cincinnati last year , zverev pushed sinner to third set tb.

He is the closer one to sineraz.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
He is the player who has beaten raz in rg and sinner in usopen.

Dude he was 2-1 up vs raz just last year. Yes he choked badly afterwards. But he is not lucky to vulture masters. He is best to never win a slam today.
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But he lost, even against Thiem in 2020. I just hope that he will never be in the mix of slam winners hehe
 
Kralingen said:
Laver-Rosewall or some of the older rivalries where guys went on year-long tours together are the ones where I’m not as sure.
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Gonzalez and Rosewall played each other about 200 times. Laver and Rosewall about 80 times. Though Federer was 5-6 years older than Rafa and Novak, he was competitive against them for much of their careers.
 
Unless you're some crusty old cluck intent on living in the past, there is literally no reason to say no. Would be nice if Sinny started winning some though.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
Guys you can't promote draper and demote zverev even today. Draper is as old as sinner. He is 1 time masters winner.

Zverev won 2 masters in last year itself.

Draper might be good enough but then so is zverev. Otherwise both aren't.

Even in Cincinnati last year , zverev pushed sinner to third set tb.

He is the closer one to sineraz.
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i don’t think (at least for me) the question was whether he was good enough, but whether he had the mental fortitude to close out the important points when it matters (in slams).
 
ibbi said:
Unless you're some crusty old cluck intent on living in the past, there is literally no reason to say no. Would be nice if Sinny started winning some though.
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There is though. They don't meet often enough. Despite being given free reign.

Let's be honest. Fed and rafa were never in picture with these two. Even nole gave free reign. He didn't even participate in many events in 2023/24. Still raz and sinner played just 5 times if I am right. Now just once till rg. They don't meet as often as rafole.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
Guys you can't promote draper and demote zverev even today.
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you are mistaken, first zebrev proved himself many times already so we know who he is plus draper didnt prove himself at all, everything is ahead related to him, and second, most likely its gonna be someone who was born this century and not one from that lost 90s gen
 
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An all time great rivalry has all time great matches.

So far the only one that remotely qualifies for such title is US Open 2022 and even then it's very, very generous.
 
Hard no for me. Both are entertaining to watch but the rivalry doesn't have anything for me at all. They are not Federer and Nadal or Djokovic or even Murray right now and hell, I think there is more of a legitimate rivalry in Zverev vs Fritz.
 
Terenigma said:
Hard no for me. Both are entertaining to watch but the rivalry doesn't have anything for me at all. They are not Federer and Nadal or Djokovic or even Murray right now and hell, I think there is more of a legitimate rivalry in Zverev vs Fritz.
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That is YOU problem lmao. Not even Murray you say.

Brother Murray made first finals on clay at age 27, almost 28. And he was getting trounced by Nadal on grass even.

These two are much better than 3 time slam winner Murray who wouldn't be 10 slam winner in other eras as well.
 
In any great rivalry, one criterion is the number of matches! Alcaraz & Sinner have faced each other 11 times. Djokovic faced Federer & Nadal, 50 & 60 times! What is this? These guys just got started, and you guys are headed to the top of class?

#2 criterion has to do give & take between the players. Right now, it's all Carl taking everything!

I notice that the thread starter failed to mention Nadal-Djokovic even once!
 
SonnyT said:
In any great rivalry, one criterion is the number of matches! Alcaraz & Sinner have faced each other 11 times. Djokovic faced Federer & Nadal, 50 & 60 times! What is this? These guys just got started, and you guys are headed to the top of class?

#2 criterion has to do give & take between the players. Right now, it's all Carl taking everything!

I notice that the thread starter failed to mention Nadal-Djokovic even once!
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Carlos:
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NoleFam said:
I don't think Alcaraz will be as much of a specialist of one surface like Nadal was. He's already the youngest to win Slams on all 3 surfaces. Matching Djokodal in quality is going to be a hard feat to reach. Actually matching any of the big 3 rivalries in quality will be. It can be a very interesting rivalry though.
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Alcaraz has won 10 clay titles till date and 9 non clay titles (taking next gen title away because it's laughable).

So he won 10 titles on surface that's 40%
9 on 60% surface

Tell me. We are not entering the rabbit hole.
 
Yes, they’ve already pushed themselves to some joke level tennis and the fact it’s just the two of them so far ahead of the rest it’s teed up nicely. If they stay injury free and motivated they could raise the bar even higher. It’s so close between them that each will feel they can win the long race and come out on top when all is said and done. Big statement given the big 3 excellence but the potential to surpass is there for all to see after their matchups over the last 18 months. I for one as a fan of tennis can’t wait for the next episode.
 
dking68 said:
I’d be concerned if he loses to him a fifth time in a row. I’m gonna let him off the hook since this was his first tournament after a forced delay. I expect a bigger fight should they meet in the RG final
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I would be concerned if he loses in slams next time until then i don't care
 
Succession said:
But he lost, even against Thiem in 2020. I just hope that he will never be in the mix of slam winners hehe
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My hope is that Zverev, Tsitsipas, Ruud, Rublev all remain without anymore big titles .

They are the most worthless players that the sport has seen in the top in a long long time
 
SonnyT said:
In any great rivalry, one criterion is the number of matches! Alcaraz & Sinner have faced each other 11 times. Djokovic faced Federer & Nadal, 50 & 60 times! What is this? These guys just got started, and you guys are headed to the top of class?

#2 criterion has to do give & take between the players. Right now, it's all Carl taking everything!

I notice that the thread starter failed to mention Nadal-Djokovic even once!
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Number of matches is not just the criterion. Borg - McEnroe is spoken even today and will be spoken always

Djokodal rivalry is lopsided
 
nolefam_2024 said:
That is YOU problem lmao. Not even Murray you say.

Brother Murray made first finals on clay at age 27, almost 28. And he was getting trounced by Nadal on grass even.

These two are much better than 3 time slam winner Murray who wouldn't be 10 slam winner in other eras as well.
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"Much better", he says.

Notwithstanding the fact that I disagree with that classification, for that to be true, you would basically be saying that they'd be more or less as dominant in the late 2000's-early 2010's as they are now and that Murray would not be as dominant in this one, which I am not convinced of.

I'm not interested in overrating Murray to the extent that we're talking about double-digit slams in other eras, I'm not sure I can agree fully with that, but the man averaged just under an 80% match win record and won 40 titles in an 8 year span (2008-2016) where his only rivals were the three greatest players of all time. Suddenly, he isn't fit to carry the jock of Sinacraz?

Come on, he was hanging on for dear life in top-level tennis when he beat Alcaraz less than a year before he won his first slam and beat Sinner, when he was in the top 10. They'll certainly go on to have greater careers, but it should be caveated with the very relevant fact that, as it stands, they've got zero competition.
 
Maddamhussein said:
"Much better", he says.

Notwithstanding the fact that I disagree with that classification, for that to be true, you would basically be saying that they'd be more or less as dominant in the late 2000's-early 2010's as they are now and that Murray would not be as dominant in this one, which I am not convinced of.

I'm not interested in overrating Murray to the extent that we're talking about double-digit slams in other eras, I'm not sure I can agree fully with that, but the man averaged just under an 80% match win record and won 40 titles in an 8 year span (2008-2016) where his only rivals were the three greatest players of all time. Suddenly, he isn't fit to carry the jock of Sinacraz?

Come on, he was hanging on for dear life in top-level tennis when he beat Alcaraz less than a year before he won his first slam and beat Sinner, when he was in the top 10. They'll certainly go on to have greater careers, but it should be caveated with the very relevant fact that, as it stands, they've got zero competition.
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I would just say ignore to most of tw community who wants to eat the cake and have it.

Sometimes they bully Murray saying he is a loser. Then when new player comes up, who is genuine atg you guys get peeved oh we must protect our dear Andy.

Let's cut the bs and talk frankly. Murray is under ATG tier. Big 3 excuses not withstanding.

And raz sinner are better than him , maybe not at big 3 stats any time soon. That is giving both Murray and sineraz the respect each deserves.
 
I get the feeling that Alcaraz will have a few years or maybe a decade of great success and then retire early as he will get bored with living the disciplined life that it takes to stay at the top. I think he has the kind of personality where he wants more variety in his lifestyle and a chance to be a creative person outside of sports. A tennis player’s life becomes somewhat monotonous after many years on tour. So I think the rivalry might not be long-lasting enough to warrant being considered the greatest ever in the future even if it develops well for a few years.

I also think the Big 3 were lucky to play in an era where the sport didn’t change much - racquets, strings, surfaces, format of tour etc. stayed the same and they dominated for a long time. I think tennis will change faster including the format of the tour chasing fans in an increasingly fragmented entertainment world and so it will be harder for two players to stay at the top for a long time.
 
socallefty said:
I get the feeling that Alcaraz will have a few years or maybe a decade of great success and then retire early as he will get bored with living the disciplined life that it takes to stay at the top. I think he has the kind of personality where he wants more variety in his lifestyle and a chance to be a creative person outside of sports. A tennis player’s life becomes somewhat monotonous after many years on tour. So I think the rivalry might not be long-lasting enough to warrant being considered the greatest ever in the future even if it develops well for a few years.
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I have exactly the same feeling. He doesn't seem the type to scourge himself for over a decade to collect endless titles. I can relate to that very much and would consider it a beautiful thing as a tennis and Alcaraz fan
 
nolefam_2024 said:
I would just say ignore to most of tw community who wants to eat the cake and have it.

Sometimes they bully Murray saying he is a loser. Then when new player comes up, who is genuine atg you guys get peeved oh we must protect our dear Andy.

Let's cut the bs and talk frankly. Murray is under ATG tier. Big 3 excuses not withstanding.

And raz sinner are better than him , maybe not at big 3 stats any time soon. That is giving both Murray and sineraz the respect each deserves.
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I'm not concerned with protecting Andy, I'm more bothered by this revision of history where all of a sudden the Big 4 never existed, it was a British conspiracy, Federer was tired in the Olympics, Djokovic hates playing in wind, he was exhausted at Wimby in 2013, he let Murray become world number one because he won the French Open and completed his life's dream, and so on, and so on....

Do you understand how then when you say things like Murray isn't an ATG, I might be a bit suspicious of why you're saying that? It's clear as day why people like you say that. It's because its a desperate way of distancing Murray from the other three players and classifying him in such a way that he is either isolated from ATG discussions or dragged into tiers with Stan, DelPo, Safin, Roddick, Hewitt and Soderling - I mean Soderling ffs!

Sinner and Alcaraz will clear Murray, which as I have said, I am fine with. But if you think you're giving both the credit that they deserve then you're lying. And you're not the only one.
 
Maddamhussein said:
I'm not concerned with protecting Andy, I'm more bothered by this revision of history where all of a sudden the Big 4 never existed, it was a British conspiracy, Federer was tired in the Olympics, Djokovic hates playing in wind, he was exhausted at Wimby in 2013, he let Murray become world number one because he won the French Open and completed his life's dream, and so on, and so on....

Do you understand how then when you say things like Murray isn't an ATG, I might be a bit suspicious of why you're saying that? It's clear as day why people like you say that. It's because its a desperate way of distancing Murray from the other three players and classifying him in such a way that he is either isolated from ATG discussions or dragged into tiers with Stan, DelPo, Safin, Roddick, Hewitt and Soderling - I mean Soderling ffs!

Sinner and Alcaraz will clear Murray, which as I have said, I am fine with. But if you think you're giving both the credit that they deserve then you're lying. And you're not the only one.
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I don't see anything wrong in this at all .
While making excuses is not correct, it goes both ways. Let us not make excuse for his wins then his defenders not make excuse of his losses as well .



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