Can Busta win WTF 2017?

Will Busta win WTF 2017?

  • Yes

    Votes: 15 53.6%
  • No

    Votes: 13 46.4%

  • Total voters
    28
#3
All seriousness, everyone is penciling in Rogers #7 already. And while it is irrefutably and undoubtedly his to lose, 2017 has been so strange that a "random" WTF winner would not surprise me in the least.
 
#7
That's a good question. If he wins the next 2, is his record 2-0 or 2-1?

In other words, does he go in ahead of all other 2 match winners (because he has no losses)?
Just looked at the rulebook. He would be below all other 2 match winners because the other guys played all three matches. 2-1 record beats 2-0. 1-2 beats 1-1 and 1-0.

So if I got it right Busta can qualify to the semifinals if he wins both of his two matches and Dimitrov loses both of his remaining two matches. In this scenario Goffin and Busta would have more wins than Dimitrov and Thiem, and would progress as winner and runner-up respectively.
 

ChrisRF

Professional
#8
Just looked at the rulebook. He would be below all other 2 match winners because the other guys played all three matches. 2-1 record beats 2-0. 1-2 beats 1-1 and 1-0.

So if I got it right Busta can qualify to the semifinals if he wins both of his two matches and Dimitrov loses both of his remaining two matches. In this scenario Goffin and Busta would have more wins than Dimitrov and Thiem, and would progress as winner and runner-up respectively.
I also checked and have almost the same result. The only scenario I can add is that if Dimitrov wins both matches there ist still a chance for Carreno Busta to overtake Goffin instead (see scenario 3). First of all, it’s every man for himself, but strangely that is BAD for Carreno Busta, because 2-1 is better than 2-0.

The second factor after match wins is matches played. I think they do it because otherwise you could inflate your sets and games percentage by potentially avoiding the best opponent. Imagine if Goffin was the one injured today and Carreno Busta would have avoided an in-form Nadal. So the rule makes sense in some way, but it gives rather slim chances for an alternate player to reach SF.

Carreno Busta must beat both Dimitrov and Thiem himself. Then he can go ahead with the following records

1) Goffin winning everything
Goffin 3-0
Carreno Busta 2-0
Dimitrov 1-2
Thiem 0-3
Nadal 0-1

2) Goffin losing to Thiem but beating Dimitrov:
Goffin 2-1
Carreno Busta 2-0
Dimitrov 1-2
Thiem 1-2
Nadal 0-1

3) Goffin losing to Dimitrov and Thiem
Dimitrov 2-1
Carreno Busta 2-0
Thiem 1-2
Goffin 1-2
Nadal 0-1

If Goffin loses to Dimitrov but beats Thiem it is definitely over for Carreno Busta, even if he wins both matches. Then it would be this at best:
Goffin 2-1
Dimitrov 2-1
Carreno Busta 2-0
Thiem 0-3
Nadal 0-1
 
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Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
#10
That's a good question. If he wins the next 2, is his record 2-0 or 2-1?

In other words, does he go in ahead of all other 2 match winners (because he has no losses)?
I haven't looked up the rules in a while, but I think he starts with a clean slate. Don't take that to the bank though.

EDIT: I see you got a couple answers.
 
#10
All seriousness, everyone is penciling in Rogers #7 already. And while it is irrefutably and undoubtedly his to lose, 2017 has been so strange that a "random" WTF winner would not surprise me in the least.
I really can't see anyone challenging Federer here with only Zverev having a small chance.

Cilic, Carreno-Busta, Thiem, Goffin, Dimitov, Sock? I mean come on Federer would beat them all one after another if he had to. If Fed's back holds up and Zverev doesn't GOAT against him he's not losing to anyone here.
 
#11
I really can't see anyone challenging Federer here with only Zverev having a small chance.

Cilic, Carreno-Busta, Thiem, Goffin, Dimitov, Sock? I mean come on Federer would beat them all one after another if he had to. If Fed's back holds up and Zverev doesn't GOAT against him he's not losing to anyone here.
Main reason I give them an outside chance is because it's only Bo3. Guy doesn't need to GOAT for as long to beat him here.

But I gotta agree only Zverev moderately concerns me at the moment. Cilic still doesn't seem quite right.
 
#12
I also checked and have almost the same result. The only scenario I can add is that if Dimitrov wins both matches there ist still a chance for Carreno Busta to overtake Goffin instead (see scenario 3). First of all, it’s every man for himself, but strangely that is BAD for Carreno Busta, because 2-1 is better than 2-0.

The second factor after match wins is matches played. I think they do it because otherwise you could inflate your sets and games percentage by potentially avoiding the best opponent. Imagine if Goffin was the one injured today and Carreno Busta would have avoided an in-form Nadal. So the rule makes sense in some way, but it gives rather slim chances for an alternate player to reach SF.

Carreno Busta must beat both Dimitrov and Thiem himself. Then he can go ahead with the following records

1) Goffin winning everything
Goffin 3-0
Carreno Busta 2-0
Dimitrov 1-2
Thiem 0-3
Nadal 0-1

2) Goffin losing to Thiem but beating Dimitrov:
Goffin 2-1
Carreno Busta 2-0
Dimitrov 1-2
Thiem 1-2
Nadal 0-1

3) Goffin losing to Dimitrov and Thiem
Dimitrov 2-1
Carreno Busta 2-0
Thiem 1-2
Goffin 1-2
Nadal 0-1

If Goffin loses to Dimitrov but beats Thiem it is definitely over for Carreno Busta, even if he wins both matches. Then it would be this at best:
Goffin 2-1
Dimitrov 2-1
Carreno Busta 2-0
Thiem 0-3
Nadal 0-1
Yeah that's right. So basically Busta needs to hope that either Goffin or Dimitrov loses both of the remaining two matches. If both of them reach two wins it's over for him. Whoever loses the Dimitrov-Goffin duel will have to lose the next one too for Busta to have a chance.

Can't see Busta going 2-0 though so I'd say we just wasted our time. :D
 
#13
Just looked at the rulebook. He would be below all other 2 match winners because the other guys played all three matches. 2-1 record beats 2-0. 1-2 beats 1-1 and 1-0.

So if I got it right Busta can qualify to the semifinals if he wins both of his two matches and Dimitrov loses both of his remaining two matches. In this scenario Goffin and Busta would have more wins than Dimitrov and Thiem, and would progress as winner and runner-up respectively.
That's brilliant! Thanks for working that out for us! :)
 
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SafinSucks

Guest
#22
Hello.
The hate towards Carreno-Busta on here and other social media, was just a parrot thing. One thread was started that Carreno-Busta sucks, then another one, and then others joined thinking it would be cool to hate Carreno-Busta because it was the last big trend on the tennis media.

We ended up with a bunch of parrots, repeating the same thing over and over again on different topics. That was also an easy to get plenty of likes, which is crucial in modern life.
My 2 cents.
 
#23
Hello.
The hate towards Carreno-Busta on here and other social media, was just a parrot thing. One thread was started that Carreno-Busta sucks, then another one, and then others joined thinking it would be cool to hate Carreno-Busta because it was the last big trend on the tennis media.

We ended up with a bunch of parrots, repeating the same thing over and over again on different topics. That was also an easy to get plenty of likes, which is crucial in modern life.
My 2 cents.
No hate on my Busta thread please
 
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