Can Djokovic pass Nadal for the most slams won on a single surface?

[MichaelNadal]

I get it, it's to big Rafa up, but really it's not needed, because Rafa had won too much anyway to be denied the top spot.

Clay is Djokovic's weakest surface, we know this, it's the one he is most vulnerable on, it doesn't mean he is bad on it, in fact he is fantastic on it....but there is a clear gap that can be seen in his tennis outside of clay compared to on it. That is why many other players have taken out a well playing Djokovic at RG, Federer, Wawrinka and Thiem all did it, where they basically just him off the court, and this was during periods that Djokovic was winning three slams within 12 months.

I do feel achievement wise, that now Djokovic is top 3 of the open era, it did however require help from Nadal making him the player he is today. Who knows if without Nadal he wins so much and is even more vulnerable to those Federer/Wawrinka/Thiem like performances from other players.

Djokovic is better at the FO than the USO bestie lol

It’s a bit of both. He’s good on clay but had a bit of luck to win this year with weaker field. I will always admit that it’s tough for Novak to win the french. It’s not his natural surface and he says he finds it harder to adapt to it. This has always been the case.

No disagreement here

 

[LaVie en Rose]

Those who undermine Djokovic success everywhere else resorting to weak era and peak level of play -coping mechanism LOL, now proclaim Djokovic clay court best IF it weren't for Nadal just to prop Nadal competition on clay and of course to rub Novak losses to him.

It's not just hypocrisy of the highest order , but lack of basic observation skills

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Djokovic is better at the FO than the USO bestie lol


No disagreement here

I will be honest here until cramps happened I thought alcaraz was going to beat Djokovic. He was getting on top in the match.

 

[Hitman]

Djokovic is better at the FO than the USO bestie lol

Same amount of titles, but more finals in USO.

Also, competition is tougher on HC. Medvedev and Murray are not beating Djokovic in a RG final, but they can do it outside of clay.

Nadal at RG is the single toughest challenge at any slam, but even he cannot overwhelm the number of legit contenders at USO which has a deeper field.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Same amount of titles, but more finals in USO.

Also, competition is tougher on HC. Medvedev and Murray are not beating Djokovic in a RG final, but they can do it outside of clay.

Nadal at RG is the single toughest challenge at any slam, but even he cannot overwhelm the number of legit contenders at USO which has a deeper field.

I still think Djokovic is better at the us open too. He’s underperformed in finals but his overall high level play and consistency is better at the us open IMO. Achievements wise it’s dead even better I still think Djokovic looked more comfortable on us open courts compared to clay courts on Chatrier.

Yeah competition being stronger on hard courts has to be factored in. Good point.

 

[Hitman]

I still think Djokovic is better at the us open too. He’s underperformed in finals but his overall high level play and consistency is better at the us open IMO. Achievements wise it’s dead even better I still think Djokovic looked more comfortable on us open courts compared to clay courts on Chatrier.

Yeah competition being stronger on hard courts has to be factored in. Good point.

Hard Courts have the greatest depth, the greatest number of legit contenders for the title. That is why USO, we haven't seen anyone win more than 5 titles since it turned to HC, added to the fact it happens later in the season and players start to show a lot more wear and tear. Djokovic by the time he gets to USO more often that not has made the semis and finals of all the other slams, plus multiple masters too.

This year, much reduced schedule, lets see how he does. I mean to me Alcaraz looked a little jaded from the all the tennis he played in Canada.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Hard Courts have the greatest depth, the greatest number of legit contenders for the title. That is why USO, we haven't seen anyone win more than 5 titles since it turned to HC, added to the fact it happens later in the season and players start to show a lot more wear and tear. Djokovic by the time he gets to USO more often that not has made the semis and finals of all the other slams, plus multiple masters too.

This year, much reduced schedule, lets see how he does. I mean to me Alcaraz looked a little jaded from the all the tennis he played in Canada.

Yeah that’s a good point. Sinner looks fresher and it has showed this week. As for Djokovic it’s probably the first time in quite a few years he’s a bit fresher going into us open.

He’s not played much which might help. He just needs to try get 2-3 matches next week under his belt and he can take that into us open and see what happens. The pressure is off Djokovic which is a nice change too.

 

[Julius Caesar]

I miss a 'no' & 'no but in yellow' pool here

 

[The Blond Blur]

I miss a 'no' & 'no but in yellow' pool here

I got you fam.

 

[AO13]

Even if he does, it is not the same when there is 1 Slam on clay and 2 on hard courts. 14 FOs is just phenomenal.

Without a doubt.

If he could win 4 more AO, then we could talk, but that is not possible as he won't even play 4 more seasons. I would actually prefer more if he stays at 10 AO, but with his brilliant 20:0 record in SF and F of AO. So yeah, I'd like more if Novak would lose in QF or sooner, than to play SF or F and lose in the AO.

I'd like one more W from Novak, or if I could choose the best scenario, one more RG, W, and USO, which would tie him at 8 with Roger at W and get him quadriple career Grand Slam. And that would be the best showcase of his all round GOAT career, though he already has it with double career Masters and triple career Grand Slam.

 

[Tennfan123]

You’d think he would have considering he has twice the number of slams to do it on.

 

[mahatma]

Saying that Djokovic isn't a clay specialist, or that clay isn't his best surface isn't belittling him, that is the actual truth. Of course he is good on clay, but it is not his ideal surface, HC is. We all know this.

Djokovic is great on clay. 3 RG titles

Though where do you rate Nadal on grass ?

 

[mahatma]

Most slams won on a single surface:

Nadal (clay) - 14
Djokovic (hard) - 13
Federer (hard) - 11
Emerson (grass) - 10
Tilden (grass) - 10
Laver (grass)- 9
Federer (grass) - 8
Perry (grass) - 7
Newcombe (grass) - 7
Sampras (grass)- 7
Sampras (hard) - 7
Djokovic (grass) - 7
Nadal (hard) - 6
Agassi (hard)- 6
Rosewall (grass) - 6
Borg (clay) - 6
Borg (grass)- 5
Lendl (hard) - 5

Djokovic should reach 14 in hard court as a surface. Sounds quite possible. 15 is also in the realms of possibilities.

Beyond that it’s not happening I think.

 

[Start da Game]

if there were two slams on clay like in the 60s and 70s, we would not have had any goat debates.....

 

[DSH]

NoMost slams won on a single surface:

Nadal (clay) - 14
Djokovic (hard) - 13
Federer (hard) - 11
Emerson (grass) - 10
Tilden (grass) - 10
Laver (grass)- 9
Federer (grass) - 8
Perry (grass) - 7
Newcombe (grass) - 7
Sampras (grass)- 7
Sampras (hard) - 7
Djokovic (grass) - 7
Nadal (hard) - 6
Agassi (hard)- 6
Rosewall (grass) - 6
Borg (clay) - 6
Borg (grass)- 5
Lendl (hard) - 5

Nadal's record not of this world.

 

[WeekendTennisHack]

Djokovic can probably win 4 more AOs, so he will at least tie him.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Djokovic can probably win 4 more AOs, so he will at least tie him.

Eyyyyy pass that Gandalf

 

[DSH]

Djokovic can probably win 4 more AOs, so he will at least tie him.

Leave the weed, bro.