Can Federer top in weeks at top 1 , top 2 and top 3 ?

[tennisaddict]

Weeks at No 1: Fed -302, Sampras -286

Weeks at top 2 : Fed - 456 , Lendl - 409 , Rafa - 403

Weeks at top 3 - Connors - 595, Fed - 568 , Lendl - 499, Rafa - 460.

He needs another 28 weeks at top 3 to get this record.

 

[kishnabe]

Very likely....

 

[Tenez!]

28 weeks from now is just after AO 2016.
Very likely, might depend on his 2 Master title defences. Wawrinka's not too far behind.

Is there a top10 record? I don't think he ever dropped out since early 2002, which would make continuous ~700 weeks.

 

[RF-18]

Yes he can do it. If he stays consistent and does not have a huge slip, he can do it.

 

[tennisaddict]

28 weeks from now is just after AO 2016.
Very likely, might depend on his 2 Master title defences. Wawrinka's not too far behind.

Is there a top10 record? I don't think he ever dropped out since early 2002, which would make continuous ~700 weeks.

Connors leads Fed in top 4 (77 weeks), in top 5 ( 86 weeks) and in top 10 ( 143 weeks).

Federer needs to play till YE 2017 and be in top 10 to beat Connors in top 10. In fact, both Agassi and Connors are ahead of Federer in weeks at top 10.

 

[timnz]

Weeks at No 1: Fed -302, Sampras -286

Weeks at top 2 : Fed - 456 , Lendl - 409 , Rafa - 403

Weeks at top 3 - Connors - 595, Fed - 568 , Lendl - 499, Rafa - 460.

He needs another 28 weeks at top 3 to get this record.

That's really interesting. Where is your source for these statistics, I'd be interested.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Even if he doesn't do it, they are extremely impressive numbers.

 

[Tiedemann Gereon]

nole to surpass everything

 

[Deleted member 307496]

nole to surpass everything

I doubt he'll be ranked 3 at 34. Maybe something like 6 or 7.

 

[Chanwan]

interesting. However, the real question is can he get more weeks at no. 2 than Rafa's had? Very doubtful, Rafa remains the best no. 2., the game has ever had.

 

[Sentinel]

interesting. However, the real question is can he get more weeks at no. 2 than Rafa's had? Very doubtful, Rafa remains the best no. 2., the game has ever had.

I don't think Fed should be gunning for Top 3 and Top 10 etc. He has the most at #1, total and consecutive, and that's it.

 

[THE FIGHTER]

interesting. However, the real question is can he get more weeks at no. 2 than Rafa's had? Very doubtful, Rafa remains the best no. 2., the game has ever had.

in tennis sure, in all sports? i don't think so.

Pippen singlehandedly gave Jordan 6 championship MVPs.

 

[chjtennis]

Weeks at No 1: Fed -302, Sampras -286

Weeks at top 2 : Fed - 456 , Lendl - 409 , Rafa - 403

Weeks at top 3 - Connors - 595, Fed - 568 , Lendl - 499, Rafa - 460.

He needs another 28 weeks at top 3 to get this record.

Looks highly likely. Another milestone in his illustrious career.

 

[Chanwan]

I don't think Fed should be gunning for Top 3 and Top 10 etc. He has the most at #1, total and consecutive, and that's it.

I don't think he's gunning either, but I think top-3 has a decent likelihood of happening.

@theFighter - sure, I meant in tennis and it was more in jest than anything else

 

[Sentinel]

^ LOL duh, yes, what was I thinking? But the way people are talking, as though it is important for someone who has been top #1.

 

[TMF]

Another record added to his book.



Goat.

 

[jhhachamp]

in tennis sure, in all sports? i don't think so.

Pippen singlehandedly gave Jordan 6 championship MVPs.

Pippen was never the second best player in the world. Bad example.

 

[jhhachamp]

28 weeks from now is just after AO 2016.
Very likely, might depend on his 2 Master title defences. Wawrinka's not too far behind.

Federer is going to have to improve his results if he plans on remaining in the top 3 at the end of the year. Murray is really close to passing him at #2 and Wawrinka is also significantly ahead of him so far in 2015.

 

[spirit95]

If he has to stay there 'til the beginning of 2016 I think not. He's not having a top 3 year so far and he has a LOT of points to defend between now and the end of the year.

 

[BGod]

I'm not sure. Being able to win a Slam would always give him a chance but he's on pace to finish 4th this season.

 

[tennisaddict]

Federer is going to have to improve his results if he plans on remaining in the top 3 at the end of the year. Murray is really close to passing him at #2 and Wawrinka is also significantly ahead of him so far in 2015.

As long as Fed remains in top 4, he can get back to No 3 some time early next year as Stan will need to defend an AO SF and FO title

 

[tennisaddict]

Duplicate post

 

[Dave1982]

Interesting stat and as a few have mentioned he does have some significant points to defend coming up though with 2xM1000 wins, M1000 F, USO SF, W F and a WTF F...those points alone are 6,100 which is basically two thirds of his current points.

Obviously a lot will depend on his individual results and to repeat the above would be an exceptional achievement...I think a lot may come down to how Stan performs in back half of year and also Nadal is also a potential threat as he has little to no points to defend after Wimbledon.

 

[Dave1982]

Interesting stat and as a few have mentioned he does have some significant points to defend coming up though with 2xM1000 wins, M1000 F, USO SF, W F and a WTF F...those points alone are 6,100 which is basically two thirds of his current points.

Obviously a lot will depend on his individual results and to repeat the above would be an exceptional achievement...I think a lot may come down to how Stan performs in back half of year and also Nadal is also a potential threat as he has little to no points to defend after Wimbledon.

Sorry think my maths is a little off today....based on above tournaments I've listed it should be about 5520 points....obviously there are some M500's and Davis Cup points which he will also need to defend/drop off between now and AO2016.

 

[jhhachamp]

As long as Fed remains in top 4, he can get back to No 3 some time early next year as Stan will need to defend an AO SF and FO title

Essentially all you are saying is that if Federer has top 3 results from this point to a point 52 weeks from now, he will be in the top 3 at that point.

 

[jm1980]

I originally thought this was asking whether or not Fed could end up with the most weeks ranked #2, which is a tough ask at this point...

 

[tennisaddict]

Essentially all you are saying is that if Federer has top 3 results from this point to a point 52 weeks from now, he will be in the top 3 at that point.

I am saying Fed does not need top 3 performance till end of year. As long as he remains within arms distance to Stan, he can get back to No. 3 as Stan is unlikely to defend so many points early next year. Should Federer drop to 4 later this year, he can at least get back to 3 soon enough.

 

[tennisaddict]

I originally thought this was asking whether or not Fed could end up with the most weeks ranked #2, which is a tough ask at this point...

Fed already has the top 2 secured. It is unlikely Rafa gets there.

Fed is short of Stan by 900 points and if that shortfall stretches, he will drop down to 4 and may not get the record. But given that this is his favorite part of the year, he would fancy his chances.

 

[Soul_Evisceration]

I think Federer will beat Connors weeks in the Top 3 by the end of the year.

Murray might eventually exceed Federer and become World #2 in a few weeks. Wawrinka outside of Grand Slams is very inconsistent and I doubt he will catch/overtake Federer in the Top 3 unless Federer has a disastrous remainder of 2015.

 

[jm1980]

Fed already has the top 2 secured. It is unlikely Rafa gets there.

Fed is short of Stan by 900 points and if that shortfall stretches, he will drop down to 4 and may not get the record. But given that this is his favorite part of the year, he would fancy his chances.

Re-read my post. I misunderstood the original question. I thought the OP was asking about "weeks at #2" instead of "weeks at Top 2"

 

[tennisaddict]

Re-read my post. I misunderstood the original question. I thought the OP was asking about "weeks at #2" instead of "weeks at Top 2"

I know. I am saying no one can beat Rafa there.

 

[KG1965]

I think Federer will beat Connors weeks in the Top 3 by the end of the year.

It will succeed , and it is right for him to overcome Jimbo .

 

[jhhachamp]

I am saying Fed does not need top 3 performance till end of year. As long as he remains within arms distance to Stan, he can get back to No. 3 as Stan is unlikely to defend so many points early next year. Should Federer drop to 4 later this year, he can at least get back to 3 soon enough.

Once Stan is unlikely to defend his large amount of points early next year, we are looking at a point in time a year away from now. Any player has the same chance of becoming the #3 player at that time based on results for the rest of this year and the beginning of next year. Looking at it in terms of defending points is unnecessarily confusing. Sure, Wawrinka will have a lot to defend early next year and likely will drop some points. But another player might have a lot of points to defend from this summer, it could be someone we aren't even thinking about yet. That person could become #3 just as easily as Federer at that point in time.

 

[tennisaddict]

Once Stan is unlikely to defend his large amount of points early next year, we are looking at a point in time a year away from now. Any player has the same chance of becoming the #3 player at that time based on results for the rest of this year and the beginning of next year. Looking at it in terms of defending points is unnecessarily confusing. Sure, Wawrinka will have a lot to defend early next year and likely will drop some points. But another player might have a lot of points to defend from this summer, it could be someone we aren't even thinking about yet. That person could become #3 just as easily as Federer at that point in time.

Nishikori, Ferrer, Berdych, Rafa are going to find it tougher to get to No. 3 soon enough to avoid Fed from getting the 28 weeks.

The only person who seems capable is Raonic.

 

[Tenez!]

Raonic has a mountain to overcome: over 4000 points behind Fed with only a slam and 4 Masters.

 

[Dave1982]

Raonic has a mountain to overcome: over 4000 points behind Fed with only a slam and 4 Masters.

Yeah but don't forget Fed's points could very easily go backwards due to him having such a significant number to defend between now and next years AO. I'm not sure what Raonic has to defend other than a W SF of course.

 

[Chadillac]

I wouldnt put any weight on #3. One guy playing better than you for a short time isnt bad in the ped era, but two guys is kinda embarassing for a player of feds calibre.

 

[tennisaddict]

I wouldnt put any weight on #3. One guy playing better than you for a short time isnt bad in the ped era, but two guys is kinda embarassing for a player of feds calibre.

Till what age should Fed hold the No.2 position ? About 36 or 37 ?

 

[jhhachamp]

Yeah but don't forget Fed's points could very easily go backwards due to him having such a significant number to defend between now and next years AO. I'm not sure what Raonic has to defend other than a W SF of course.

When looking at a point in time 1 year from now, both players are starting from 0 points today. Whoever wins more points from now until a year from now will have a higher ranking at that time. The amount of points the players will be defending during this year will have no effect on their ranking 1 year from today. The only way the defended points will have will be on their seedings at the various tournaments throughout the year.

 

[Dave1982]

When looking at a point in time 1 year from now, both players are starting from 0 points today. Whoever wins more points from now until a year from now will have a higher ranking at that time. The amount of points the players will be defending during this year will have no effect on their ranking 1 year from today. The only way the defended points will have will be on their seedings at the various tournaments throughout the year.

I was essentially referring to whether Fed can maintain his place in the top 3 between now and Aus Open 2016...as it stands he's currently sitting fourth in the race but obviously 2nd in rankings due to the 12 month rolling nature.

I'd be reasonably confident to suggest that even if he were to fall out of top 3 that he could get back in there....whilst I'm sure he will break record that OP suggested I'm not so sure he will do it in exactly 28 weeks time as I think between then and now he might fall out again.

 

[timnz]

Weeks at No 1: Fed -302, Sampras -286

Weeks at top 2 : Fed - 456 , Lendl - 409 , Rafa - 403

Weeks at top 3 - Connors - 595, Fed - 568 , Lendl - 499, Rafa - 460.

He needs another 28 weeks at top 3 to get this record.

So does that make it 462 weeks Federer has been in the top 2 now? If so, he only has 20 more weeks in the top 3 to go to break Connors record of 595 weeks!

 

[JRAJ1988]

If I ever hear "23-10" as a knock against Federer's GOAThood I'll chuckle, this guy is a walking record book and it's the greatest player to play.

 

[NGM]

If I ever hear "23-10" as a knock against Federer's GOAThood I'll chuckle, this guy is a walking record book and it's the greatest player to play.

Federer's standing alone records: most slams, most slam finals, most slam semifinals, most slam quartersfinals, most slam semifinals in a row, most slam quarterfinals in a row, most slam appearance in a row, most wins at slams, most weeks at number 1, most weeks at number 1 in a row, most weeks at top 2, most WTFs, most WTF appearances, most wins at WTF, most years with at least 1 title, most prize money, most wins over top ten, ...

I need to stop for holding my breath.

 

[Russeljones]

Would be nice if he had the record for the individual ranking positions rather than "either of".

 

[vanioMan]

If I ever hear "23-10" as a knock against Federer's GOAThood I'll chuckle, this guy is a walking record book and it's the greatest player to play.

What about his nose? Or left arm? Do you think these things hold him back in the GOAT conversation?

 

[cknobman]

nole to surpass everything

Novak is a great #1 but similar to Nadal his game is built more around wearing his opponents down.

His body will give to soon to stay top 3 into his mid 30's. Nadal is already finding this out.

 

[Gazelle]

interesting. However, the real question is can he get more weeks at no. 2 than Rafa's had? Very doubtful, Rafa remains the best no. 2., the game has ever had.

He's only the best no 2 because he couldn't be a better number one. I wouldn't be too proud.

 

[NGM]

Novak is a great #1 but similar to Nadal his game is built more around wearing his opponents down.

We have a joke.

After playing Nadal: his opponent was dead tired.
After playing Federer: he didn't know the match has been over yet.

 

[Meles]

If he has to stay there 'til the beginning of 2016 I think not. He's not having a top 3 year so far and he has a LOT of points to defend between now and the end of the year.

Fed still looks good, but the above and skipping Montreal give Stan and Nishi shot to take him down.

 

[Chanwan]

He's only the best no 2 because he couldn't be a better number one. I wouldn't be too proud.

I see you've failed to notice I wasn't being proud, but merely having a bit of a go at Rafa - well done