Can higher tension make up for softer frame?

babar

Professional
Basically, can a sub-60 stiffness frame be made to feel stiffer and by extension made to feel more powerful with a higher tension poly string job?

I like the way some of the softer frames hit, but I wonder if I can up the power potential of these frames by stringing them with a full poly job and making the stringbed stiffer.

Any thoughts or experiences to share? Thx.
 

SpinToWin

Talk Tennis Guru
That will lower power... Stiffer stringbeds offer less jump and more control. The frame will certainly feel stiffer/crisper, but using a stiffer/crisper string is a better option for a crisper feel than simply higher tensions. Neither is a good option for power generally.

Give a full bed of Sonic Pro Edge a try. It's a lively poly with an exceedingly crisp feel, so perhaps it ticks the boxes for you.

The best way to add power is some lead at 12 though.
 

babar

Professional
Thanks SpinToWin. The rationale for in inquiry was that a stiffer frame usually means a more powerful frame, correct? So, would a stiffer string bed also lead to a more power in a softer frame?

So, I'm taking from your reply that such a set-up will not lead to a more powerful shot. The specific frame I was looking at was the Prince Tour Pro 100 which has a flex rating of 58. It is a light, flexible frame, so I could swing it fast, but not sure which is a more salient measure of how much power you can generate, swing speed or stiffness?
 

esgee48

Legend
Increasing SW is the quickest method to increase power. Lead at 11:30 and 12:30; not 12:00 because it will get messed up by the stringing machine. Next quickest is softer strings strung at a lower tension or using a 17 ga. string at same tension if you're not currently using 17 ga. 2 cents.
 

gchen

New User
Plenty of professional players use flexible frames, having one does not prevent you from hitting hard. The more weight you place on the racquet the more power you should get assuming that you can still swing the racquet at the same speed. People generally associate higher string tension with lower power, so I doubt the conclusion of stiffer string bed= more power. Flex is mostly about feel and about your elbow (on the off center shots).

So stringing tighter= stiffer feel. Unlikely to increase power.
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
No, a tighter string bed on a soft racket will LOSE power, but the racket will jump off the string quicker, but with LESS power.
While a lot of pros can use flex ratings around 56, a lot of the newer pros choose to use APD's, PD's, Burns, RF's, and other STIFF rackets, for more power and precise feel.
If you lack power with a soft frame, adding weight might help, but can you swing the added weight? Some can, most can't. That's the reason for the existence of 11 oz STIFF rackets.
And someone mentioned, the most power would be a soft bed of good gut, first choice, and maybe a fresh liively syn gut second choice, at lower than 50 lbs tensions, but the stingbed will not be quick, it will be springy and needs a hitter who hit's through the ball, not brush up the back of the ball.
 

Frankc

Professional
Good thread... I enjoy a 12 oz strung frame , perhaps 58 flex, and I did find that 15L natural gut at lower tensions really brought the power to the table...great spring and pocketing matched the control qualities of the softer frame...
 

eelhc

Hall of Fame
Thanks SpinToWin. The rationale for in inquiry was that a stiffer frame usually means a more powerful frame, correct? So, would a stiffer string bed also lead to a more power in a softer frame?

So, I'm taking from your reply that such a set-up will not lead to a more powerful shot. The specific frame I was looking at was the Prince Tour Pro 100 which has a flex rating of 58. It is a light, flexible frame, so I could swing it fast, but not sure which is a more salient measure of how much power you can generate, swing speed or stiffness?
It's a complicated relationship... As others have mentioned, don't forget weight/mass. f = 0.5*mv**2 where f=force, m=mass and v= velocity. But depending on one's strength, they may not be able to swig a heavier racquet as fast.

The Strings pocket and propels the ball back along with the movement of the racquet head. The frame flexes and bends but by the time it bends back, the ball is long gone so in effect, the frame is absorbing the energy from the ball while the strings are returning it to the ball. Think of a stiff stringbed as replacing the bouncy portion of a trampoline with a solid material.

Really depends on the person... I prefer flexible frames.
 

Zoolander

Hall of Fame
I cant use a flexy racquet with a softer string or low tension. For me softer frames need stiffer string at higher tension or they just feel too soft. And stiffer racquets can use lower tension.

If i used a flexy frame with full gut @50lbs i would be putting things into orbit! Makes you wonder how John Mac used gut in the 40's (i think) and still controlled his shots.
 

babar

Professional
I've played with flexy frames in the past and it always felt good, but I was a younger player who probably swung harder and faster. Now, I'm not as young, and I've noticed my shots don't have the zing they used to. I'm trying to get more power without resorting to a PD. Being in the strings forum, maybe my search should focus on strings and not the frame?
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Zoolander, have you ever looked at Mac and Jimbo's strokes?
Babar, I went the full PD route, but F5T. Might have jumped too far for my ability, as my Aero500's have 68 flex ratings, and seem to be better at ultimate power...for my weak swings.
 

eelhc

Hall of Fame
I've played with flexy frames in the past and it always felt good, but I was a younger player who probably swung harder and faster. Now, I'm not as young, and I've noticed my shots don't have the zing they used to. I'm trying to get more power without resorting to a PD. Being in the strings forum, maybe my search should focus on strings and not the frame?
Then you have your answer already. Full bed of Natural Gut (VS) at lower tensions will do this.
 
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