Can I get away with no starting knots?

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  1. ppt3

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    Quite new for stringing, searched but can't find a definite answer.

    I am confused with the starting knots, thinking why can't we just use normal tie-off knots.
    I guess the reason it that the holes reserved for starting knots are usually bigger than others, so we need a bigger knots?

    But by taking a close look of a HEAD racquet, the main tie-off hole is also larger than normal holes. Why normal tie-off works in this case?

    Also I remember I saw some video showing how to do cross without starting knot, but forgot if they use a different hole from the starting hole?
     
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  2. jim e

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    If you use a finishing knot in place of a starting knot, you can pull that smaller knot into the grommet and cause grommet damage. As alternative you can use a start clamp to hold the string rather than a starting knot, and once you pull tension on first couple cross strings you can go back and use a finishing knot.

    An alternative way is to weave 1st 2 cross strings pull both strings at same time then place fixed clamp on 2 nd cross string farthest from tension head (I back that up with starting clamp on outside that same second cross. Then tension 1st cross string and tie off with finishing knot.Go back and tension second cross string, remove that 1st anchor clamp and clamp that 2nd cross and continue as normal.
     
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  3. Irvin

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    If you’re tying the knot before you pull tension it is by definition a starting knot. If you tie the knot after tension is pulled it is a finishing knot.
     
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  4. ppt3

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    Thanks. That means that tension pull directly on starting knot is (much) greater than the tension on the finishing knot (since it is after pull)?

    Jim's first method seems pretty straight forward to me. What is the advantage of 2nd method? It looks like a variation of Yusuki method on the main?
     
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  5. Irvin

    Irvin G.O.A.T.

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    No if you pull 60 lbs of tension on a starting knot or a starting clamp there is no different in the tension you pull. But when you remove the starting clamp and tie off with a finishing knot you will loose tension due to drawback. With a starting knot there is no tension loss due to drawback.
     
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  6. jim e

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    The 2 nd method you do not have to pull that 1st cross string with only the starting clamp to anchor the string, as the 1st pull places the most stress on the clamp, and the second method you have the machine clamp as well as back up starting clamp to take the initial force pull.
    Both ways work.
     
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  7. Traffic

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    I've never strung using a starting knot. I use a starting clamp. Use a tie-off knot after 3rd cross.
     
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