Can Lord Fedr tie for all-time M1000 lead by year's end?

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  1. MasturB

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    1. Nole - 30
    1. Ralph - 30
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    Toronto - Final (Ongoing)
    Cincinnati - ?
    Shanghai - ?
    Bercy - ?
     
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  2. mike danny

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    No. He doesn't need to though. All he needs is major no.20 and the year is complete :)
     
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    It's certainly possible
     
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    Lol, let's stay grounded please. If he wins two more this year it'll be more than enough.
     
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    How the hell has he made six ATP finals this year at the age of 35-36 with 2 of them grand slams and 3 masters. Will never be beaten this record (except by himself lol)
     
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    Given the level of the tour I think he will. Zverev being his only opponent, and this is a joke of a player.
     
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    Can? Yes.

    Will? No.
     
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  8. Newcomer

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    Why not? Who can realistically beat him in this tour?
     
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    Joke of a player?
     
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  10. Mack-2

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    Doubt he'll be playing Cincinnati. I will be really surprised if he doesn't pull out.
    If he does play, he will win but then his chances at the US Open won't be as good.


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  11. MeatTornado

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    I wouldn't be surprised if he lost to a nobody early in Cincy next week (which would be for the best imo).

    And I'm not convinced that he'll actually play both Shanghai & Paris. I'm curious to see what his motivation/level of play will be like in the fall if he wins the USO. I can only see him playing both if he thinks he needs them to win YE#1.
     
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    lol, no way.

    he will lose atleast once.

    also due to Basel, might skip Paris.
     
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    No may do it next spring though... wont hold it for long even then. Nadal will come in and win all the clays 1000's and take the lead back. Djokovic will ultimately be the record holder assuming he returns to form. No matter though No. 20 arou d the corner (btw if Zverev wins tonight my prediction came true) :D
     
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    Yep, Nadal certainly isnt holding up his end, nothing new for this time of year though. They never play after wimbledon because rafa cant play the whole year.
     
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    Tbh he could be unbeaten this year if he converted MP against Donskoy and Haas. Imagine the butthurt from Nadal and djoker fans
     
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  16. AceSalvo

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    Fred could have been at 20 and I still woudn't care.
     
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  17. metsman

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    if he gets to #1 and ends the year there it doesn't matter the least bit
     
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    Cincinnati is his best hardcourt tournament, he is not going to tank there. No way.
     
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    Fedr would be mad to not play Cincy, USO, Basel, and WTF at a minimum from here.
    He pretty much has a clear path to win them all. Only his own health and fitness could stop him now.

    If I were him I would make sure I was geared up for the AO next year too. Djokovic and Murray are unlikely to be able to come in hot like Fed.
     
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    Not too impressed with Fed so far at the Canadian Open but he's playing better than he did in 2006. It's a stronger era now though so he might lose the final against Zverev as opposed to eking out a lacklustre finals win against Gasquet.
     
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    Yes. I don't care if Federer has 4 less 1000s than Djokovic and Nadal. The reality is, Federer skipped multiple Masters 1000 even in his prime. Federer worried too much about playing Basel when it was a carpet court, and carpet courts have a higher injury risks. I could see Federer winning Madrid in 2004 and 2005 and probably one Paris title too if he focused more on those events. He probably would've won Canada in 2005 if he had participated too and POSSIBLY Rome if he was at his Hamburg level. He also barely lost Rome 2006, which he really should have won. That would put him at 32 1000s, but it doesn't matter when Federer is clearly ahead of Nadal and Djokovic in slams.
     
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    Why would he pull out of Cincy? He barely broke a sweat in the first 4 matches. With the exception of Ferrer match he spent around an hour on court per match.
     
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    Exactly. He's had one bad set all week.
     
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  24. TheAssassin

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    I think he will lose some matches during the post-USO season.
     
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    I'm actually weirdly disappointed that Fed has such a poor conversion rate in Basel finals. He could have 12+ titles there which would be funny.
     
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    I'd settle for that as it would guarantee two Masters and a third Slam for the year.

    It's deeply disturbing and very upsetting.
     
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    I remember an interview last year where Fed said that he aimed to win another Slam but that going for #1 was too high a goal. LOL! How times change
     
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    I don't think Fed will play Paris.

    Even if he wins the Rogers Cup, Cincy AND Shanghai (a huge order even without Murray and Djokovic in the mix), he will be at #29. I think Fed will reach 28 this year (most likely, he will lose Shanghai because he will focus on winning the WTF).

    Makes you appreciate just how insanely Nadal and Djokovic have dominated the 1000 circuit for almost a decade. They won twice as many as Federer himself did during that span, and Djokovic in particular just cleaned up the hard court portion of the circuit (as Nadal cleaned up the clay courts).

    I don't think Federer cares about the record, but reaching 30 would be a nice career achievement. I think both Djokovic and Nadal might reach 35 at most (if that). By next year, we will see the next gen. starting to take 1000s away from the big 4.
     
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    Exactly. Montreal was all just a light practice week for him. Just humorous that Fed will walk away with 1000 points and another important title without breaking sweat, and still be primed to win Cincy AND the USO.

    Imagine. Fed cleaning up the spring hard court and fall hard court season in the same year (the later of which he had never done; not even in his peak years). At the age of 36. This is legacy stuff. No way Fed doesn't go all out next 3 weeks.
     
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  30. Tennis-is-king

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    He might if he plays all of them.
     
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    He will play Basel and WTF. Shanghai maybe if no 1 ranking is not yet secured. Doubt he'll play Bercy regardless of what happens before.
     
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  32. duaneeo

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    True, but winning all 6 HC Masters in a single season would be nice! :)
     
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    True

    Winning all the real tennis surface (according to the ITF) events which include Aussie and US Open in one year would possibly be the greatest accomplishment in the history of the sport
     
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    Can he - yes
    will he - maybe
    must he - well only The Shadow knows
     
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    Because there's no guarantee that Cincy will be just as easy.

    IW was a breeze too, but he was really tired after Miami. And unlike in April, he doesn't have a vacation coming up, he needs to play a major right after it. There's definitely a risk involved in playing both Masters before the USO.
     
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    Cincy - Kachanov in the R2 should be either lose or win quickly.
     
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  37. Firstservingman

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    I'm thinking that Fed's best bet would be to do one of his holding-MPs loss tanks in Cincy and gear up for the US Open.

    But he knows best. He seems to have GOAT scheduling sense now, possibly thanks to his new team.
     
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    We Fed fans are crazy and greedy.

    I like it that way :D
     
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    He would tie Nadal's and Djoko's total, but he would also tie Djoko's record for most M1000 won in a season (6) which seemed impossible to do again when Djoko did it in 2015 !!!
    I'm not saying Fed will do it, but the fact that he could tie this "6 in a year" record is impressive.
     
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    I just can't see him having the motivation or physical and mental freshness to play all these tournaments post-US Open. There's just no immediacy there when his biggest rival during the last 1/3 of the season, Djokovic, isn't pushing him to be greater. I know I give the Hand Wringerers a hard time but they're correct that Federer's sleepwalking through nearly all of his matches with his B and C games. Even with Federer basking in the elation of victories, lapping up all the accolades and praise along the way, he has gotta be wondering what's the point in max grinding these last 4 months.
     
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    It's mathematically possible but he isn't going to win all the remaining masters. No one has ever won 6 in a season and it would mean Fed had won every masters he'd entered. Can't see that being a reality but it wouldn't be a surprise if he got to 28. Nadal will pull away again come clay season next year barring and injuries, massive decline in form or Djokovic showing up like a beast.
     
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    Doesn't he have a week off after Cincy? Couldn't he just have an ice bath or something then have a lie in.
     
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    If there was even one grass masters he would already be ahead of them
     
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    These boards are funny. GOAT ownership of the tour these days (with some exciting forays by challengers, it must be said!). Ergo, by and large, Federer supporters chattin' amongst themselves, discussin' whether seven slices of the pie is the only acceptable target, or whether a mere six will do. :D

    Beats the alternative. ;)
     
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    I agree but he might not have a choice...
    He can't keep playing day after day like this and think that he'll have anything left for the open.
    I have no idea how the hell he came to be such a force in this particular tourney.
    If someone would've said years ago that a Swiss would seriously kick it in Ohio...
    Who'd a thunk it.?
    I hope he comes and wins again, this will be what? number 9? number 9? number 9?
    (sorry, couldn't help myself)
    I live here so this is really my only chance to see him play. I've seen him a couple times and he is a sight indeed.
    Now I'm rambling... Good luck Rog regardless.
     
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    Hehe, a couple of years ago, he'd racked another title there. Post-match, the on-court interviewer was saying something like "You might have to move here!"

    ...

    [hesitation]... *cricket* ... [nervous laughter] "Yeah..." :D
     
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    If he feels like it.

    If young Zachery will allow it. :p
     
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    Djokovic did in 2015.
     
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    Even though he wants to play fewer tournaments you'd think playing Cincy would have more pros than cons. Matches should be quick, it's a better tune up for the Open than whatever else he might do, it helps him get to number 1 which has to be a goal now that he's close, and with his past successes he should get a good vibe just from playing it. And he still has time to rest before the Open anyway.

    Maybe I'm wrong on this but I don't think the extra rest from skipping next week would be much of a factor, so not playing means he doesn't value the sum of the above more than he values spending the week at home. That's the wild card, but he has most of the rest of the year to hang out at home. Surely he'll play next week.
     
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    Dude is still on 2, let's see after Montreal.
     
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