Can Nadal make up the arrears in 2018?

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  1. Hitman

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    I am just teasing her, because she is SUCH a big Djokovic fan. :p But you never know, one day I may be holding her, looking her deep in her eyes and say those magic words ....Yes @Incognito I would be happy to watch Djokovic's top 100 winners on Youtube with you. :D
     
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    Can you watch Roger's top 100 winners with me? :)
     
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    Join #TeamEarth'sMightiest and stop being such a Fed fangirl and you got yourself a date. :D
     
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    Hahaha

    Can I think about it? :oops::p

    You are not being fair!
     
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    Does he even have 100 in the first place? :p
     
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    Who cares about Ultron...it's Earth's Mightiest Warrior highlights that matter. Doha 2016 final, AO 2016 semi, AO 2016 final...and she is thinking about coming over to the good side. :cool:
     
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    Why don't we ask Federer, Nadal and Murray that? ;):)
     
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    I can watch hundred winners for either of Nadal, Federer, Djoko , Murray. Does that increase my chances of getting a date?
     
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    Torturing me with AO 16 semi? :eek::oops::oops:
     
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    Consider it therapy. And I certainly would enjoy seeing the reaction on your face for the first two sets. ;)
     
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    Nightmare! :(:oops::oops::oops:
     
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    LMAO, this was unexpected and brutally harsh
    But not false lol
     
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    Sadly watching highlights does nothing for personality, so you're out of luck I'm afraid.
     
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    Why is being a hard-court specialist more legitimate than a clay-courter? I talk about Djokovic's achievements all the time, but I would be the first to say that he is really lucky that 75% of the tourneys are on his favorite surface. In the past it was grass (which accounts for a lot of the GOAT's success) that dominated the tour, now it's hard courts. So the fact that a player considered to be a one-dimensional clay-courter has won 2 titles on all 3 surfaces (including all 3 in one year) and has such amazing achievement (like a 9-month unbeaten run on hard courts and a 20-match win streak at Wimbledon) is just even more remarkable. Federer has no such comparable achievements on clay (he is a very solid player on clay, much more than Sampras was).
     
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    He can, but history tells us that the grind of the tour usually catches up with Nadal, or at least that his form is more up and down than Federer's on a season by season basis. But of course, Federer is really old now as well and Nadal always has Paris so really nobody knows.

    As far as the H2H goes, I think it depends mostly on Federer's form if and when they play because I'm assuming he won't play clay next year (or any year after that besides maybe a farewell tour of sorts). If Federer is still in decent form he'll be favoured on basically every HC, and grass needs no explanation. Clearly if Fed is a bit out of form and Nadal is playing well then Nadal can still win, but I'm a little skeptical that Nadal and team will come up with some genius plan for combatting Federer if I'm honest.

    The reason I say that is because the "old" way that Nadal used to beat Federer is useless now that Nadal is slower and doesn't put as much defensive pressure on Federer. And the way Nadal plays now being a little more aggressive plays right into Federer's hands because he's better at taking the ball early and has a better serve and more options in general.

    But I will say this. If Nadal can somehow figure out how to pressure the Federer serve there could be a turnaround. Everybody talks about the BH, but the amount of easy holds Federer got last year against Nadal (especially after AO) was just as big a reason if not bigger, for this streak. I remember a stat posted here a couple months ago now that showed that every time in 2017 that Federer got up 15-0 on Nadal he held serve. Just think about that for a second and then think about all the matches earlier in their careers where I'm sure Nadal broke countless times from 0-15 down, Maybe not returning from China would be a good start to solving the Federer serve.
     
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    Nadal was in horrible form in 2015-2016, so that explains this lousy record.

    But it's interesting that it started when Nadal was around the same age Fed was when haters started to proclaim Federer got exposed by Nadal and Djokovic. In that case, Nadal got utterly destroyed by Federer and Djokovic, not just exposed.
     
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    Now that... was an enjoyable display. :cool:

    Might we expect more of it in '18? Or...?
     
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    I like the way you jumped on the opportunity.
     
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    I am a nadal fan and I'll say end of season 14 and 2015 and 2016 he has struggled for what ever reason
    that being said his struggles have benefited novak and fed at the time cause had he been in full force they could have achieved less in that period at least during the clay season and us open

    I don't think nadal needs to make up any arrears , he has had a wonderful season and a career
    and he has had the same streaks over fed and novak.
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    Djokovic isn't lucky that HC is the most important surface. It's been this way since the late 80s. He's more "efficient" than Nadal who built his game on a surface that constitutes 25-30% of the tournaments in a season.
     
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    That's also true. Djokovic never needed to adapt because hard courts were the bulk of the tour, unlike Nadal
     
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    Good point re Djoker. Let's not forget, though, that the tour did much of the adaptation for Nadal.
     
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    Lol, nice, but the devil component is missing and a young Jack Napier was a perfect choice for the scene. :D
     
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    That's why Bjorn Borg's 3 Channel Slams were far more impressive than Nadal's 2. Borg didn't play on green clay.
     
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    Had Federer been in full force...post 2008,he would have 30 slams , Had djoker had been in full force (2011 level) he would have stomped Nadal at any slam , Had Wawrinka been at full force, He would just Backhand his way to any slam.

    Y'know Age in tennis is a huge factor, By 2014 he turned 27/28 , his form and fitness had to decline like every other ATG. U cannot just do ' Had this , had that '. U got to give it to Federer. . That even when he declined He was relevant ( reached FO final has US Open 2k11 Match points ) , he maintained a Tier 2 level just below Nadal and Djokovic.
     
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    The "salt" thread definitely takes it to another level. There's some eye-catching and quite fascinating content on there. I never thought a thread could take in everything from table salt to surrealist environmental sculpture and still remain tangentially on-topic :eek:

    @NatF @abmk @The_Order @Dedans Penthouse have a lot of good info, I agree. If you are turning 30 yes that is a bit older but still extremely young in the greater scheme of things. 30 is a very good year. You will love it.

    If you two meet one day it would be best to go to Laver Cup. You guys can simultaneously cheer for Djokovic / Nadal in double without conflicts :)
     
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    I don't understand how , I undermined feds achievements
    lol
    and I already stated that nadal struggled in 2 and a half seasons
    but these guys turned pro in early to mid 2000s
    and it's not like novak and fed where always beating nadal
     
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    What crap?
    Nadal in was 29 in 2015. Equivalent of Fed on 2010. Do you think that's when Federer started getting exposed by Nadal? By 2010 it was full 5 years since Nadal had started stomping all over Federer. By 2010 Nadal had done majority of his stomping over done and then Djokovic started his stomping over.

    Yeah and Nadal didn't decline in 2015, he went poorly out of form. If he was declined in 2015, he would not have been world no. 1 in 2017 and would not have won FO without losing a single set nor he would have done MC, Barcelona and Madrid sweep. Federer was out of form in 2013 that's all. Declining is continuous process that you can say happened with Hewitt for whatever reason or we see happening with Ferrer now. If Federer had started declining in 2008, by 2017 he would have been playing futures not main tour with record of 52-5. If he had gone seriously out of form as happened with Nadal in 2015 or Djokovic 16-17, he would have been exposed by all and sundry not just by these two. Nadal didn't make it beyong QF of a major for 2 full years, that's being out of form.

    Surprisingly in his "declined" year 2011 he lost to players outside Nadal and Djokovic just 5 times. Compare that with year 2007 where he lost to players outside Nadal and Djokovic 7 times. Compare it with year 2017 where he lost just 5 times whole year including everyone. But for some strange reason 2007 was a prime year but 2011 was a declined Federer. Lol..Nobody is buying that. If Federer is accepted as GOAT by someone that would be probably for his longevity which I don't think Nadal or Djokovic going to match and all these talks of his declining at the age of 27-28 are imaginative stories which would do more harm to Federer's legacy than good.
     
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    So much trolling and non-sense in this post, I dont know even where to start.

    According to your logic that Nadal was not declined in 2015 because he was number 1 in 2017 winning two slams, does that mean that Fed in 2012 winning Wimbledon and reaching the #1 position was not a declined player?
    trololololol please...
     
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    Players only get better with age, that's a well-known VB theory.

    In that sense, Nadal was very lucky to play baby Federer for most of his career, because now that they're both just entering their prime, the results in their H2H are very different... :cool:

    And when Thiem finally gets the better of Nadal at RG, it'll be because he's playing on a whole new level on clay and Rafa's ten RG's will all be asterisked by the VB because he never played Thiem in his prime, just you wait. :p
     
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    It's actullay an Ultronians theory. Not VB.

    VB simply picked it up because it involved trashing Fed :D
     
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    Not sure if Nadal can make up the arrears, but he definitely has a powerful rear.
     
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    Calling anyone who has won the FO a "solid player on clay" is short changing them to a huge degree. Fed is a great clay court player. Anyone who wins the FO has to be considered that without dispute. I actually wish Murray would win the FO because he's a VERY underrated clay player, but not great unless he bags the big one.
     
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    I agree 100% Fed is a great clay court player, as is Djokovic.

    Nadal is a fantastic grass player too, and an outstanding hardcourt player. (Based on his Wimbledon and USO records)

    All this stupid demeaning by the more demential members of each fanbase has to stop.
     
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    Would you agree that Agassi is a great grass court player because he won Wimby once?? Just asking.
     
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    Cristiano Ronaldo was just awarded the Ballon d'Or (best player of the year) over Messi. It's a similar travesty, in a number of ways. Totally different dynamic, obviously, as it's a team sport. At least there's a measure of poetic justice here in the ATP... but still crazy meddling to enable even a hint of a conversation concerning the better player.
     
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    I would. He lost out on 2 other titles (or atleast 1 more for sure) only due to Sampras, and lost 2 amazing all time best semis to Rafter.
     
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    Yes, Agassi was a great grass player, how can anyone dispute that? Andre was a great player across all surfaces. His ROS on grass is the greatest I've ever seen and even Becker confirmed this when he was coaching Djokovic. Had Pete not been around, Andre would have won Wimbledon twice more, at least. Obviously Agassi is a great grass court player and he played on fast grass, which sadly is a distant memory now. His reflexes on grass, his ROS on grass and his BH on grass were absolutely spellbinding.

    Now, was Andre a natural grass court player like Pete, Becker or Edberg? No, but the fact that he triumphed there (and beat Becker in the semis) proves his worth on that surface.
     
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    Adapting quickly to different surfaces was very easy for Agassi, he looked at ease on all surfaces while some would look clueless on clay like Sampras and some clay courters like Kuerten could not figure out grass. Alas if not for the lack of motivation he would have won atleast 3 more slams
     
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    You get some really weird data sometimes. What website do you use for your source of information? I think it might be fake news. As I've probably told you before, the best source of results for The Nadal can be found at www.moraltennis.com. If you look there, you will see that The Nadal has won all of his last 13 matches against Djokovic and all of his last five matches against Federer. Unless you have a more reliable source to the contrary, I am going to keep believing that. #humbalito #invinciblemoralchampion.

     
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