TennisManiac
Hall of Fame
Federer won 2 Slams at the age of 35 and 1 at the age of 36. Do you think Nadal or Djokovic can do something like that? In my opinion... I sure don't.
Can Nadal or Djokovic do what Federer has done? Poll
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Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
I don't think Nadal will do it.
Djokovic could do it but I wouldn't place any bets. I'd like to see how he looks in the next Slam after that US Open final first.
Djokovic could do it but I wouldn't place any bets. I'd like to see how he looks in the next Slam after that US Open final first.
Djokodal Fan
Hall of Fame
djokovic did it ahead of time at the sage of 34. That's how I would see it. Fed never did it at 34 and compensated for it at 35 & 36
R. Schweikart
Professional
Nadal and Djokovic are DONE!
Fiero425
Legend
It's like it's only you and me! No one else seems to think Nole more impressive by getting to records and making them his before Fedal's 35th+ years! Whinging about him winning 2 Majors at 35 when he's gotten 3 this year alone! Really ridiculous commentary when it ocmes to Djokovic trying to undermine his achievements!
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Incoming 400 comments, "Nole will be winning slams at 45!" And said with an apparently straight face.
Anyway, obviously neither will accomplish it since both are fading as we speak.
Fiero425
Legend
Fiero425
Legend
Djokovic wins 3 majors and is one match from the 4th in '21, but he's done? IDK what to say without hurting your feelings so I'll just stay MUMMMMM!
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
You said Novak wouldn't win a single major after 30 with an apparently straight face.
Fiero425
Legend
WTF is wrong with people thinking Nole's going to just drop off a cliff next season after trying and failing his CYGS? This isn't mid 2016 or '17 FFS! He's not inside some drama going on behind the scenes! He might be a little injured, but who isn't these days with how fast the game moves?
DRII
G.O.A.T.
Something like that? Nadal has already won 3 slams in 2 twilight-swan years, just like Federer has.
As far as just focusing on physical age, which is pretty dumb, we'll see.
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
Tough to say, 2017-early 2018 was even weaker than the current field we have now. Even if they don’t, it doesn’t really matter. They both started racking up big titles at an earlier age, especially RAFA. Dude’s been in the top 10 since mid-2005
Kralingen
Talk Tennis Guru
I'm going to say no. almost no chance of doing that.
Here's why - if Djokovic or Nadal were to win 2 Slams at 35 (and this is being conservative and saying they don't win any at 34 (AO/FO next year) - they would be on 22 and the presumable Slam leader heading into a 2023 season. Whoever does it I think he'll be called the GOAT by sportswriters and media etc. and the ceremony for #21 will be a massive thing.
So assuming someone is on 22, where's the motivation going to come from? Slam leader, likely Masters leader as well, and a body that is only getting older and less explosive.
I don't see Djokovic/Nadal grinding their way to another one at age 36 (which would be '23 Wimby/USO/'24AO for Djokovic, '22 Wimby/USO/'23 AO for Nadal). Both don't strike me as the type to stick around until age 40 like Fed has tried to.
The only way I can see them going hard at age 36/37 is if the other one is still active and either tied or one ahead on Slams.
Here's why - if Djokovic or Nadal were to win 2 Slams at 35 (and this is being conservative and saying they don't win any at 34 (AO/FO next year) - they would be on 22 and the presumable Slam leader heading into a 2023 season. Whoever does it I think he'll be called the GOAT by sportswriters and media etc. and the ceremony for #21 will be a massive thing.
So assuming someone is on 22, where's the motivation going to come from? Slam leader, likely Masters leader as well, and a body that is only getting older and less explosive.
I don't see Djokovic/Nadal grinding their way to another one at age 36 (which would be '23 Wimby/USO/'24AO for Djokovic, '22 Wimby/USO/'23 AO for Nadal). Both don't strike me as the type to stick around until age 40 like Fed has tried to.
The only way I can see them going hard at age 36/37 is if the other one is still active and either tied or one ahead on Slams.
Pheasant
Legend
I'm done betting against Djoker and Nadal. That's a terrible bet to make. It was also bad to bet against Federer. But now that he's 40....never mind. Never bet against any of these players.
And honestly, it'll be sad when any of those 3 players are done. And it'll be really sad when they are all retired.
And honestly, it'll be sad when any of those 3 players are done. And it'll be really sad when they are all retired.
Djokodal Fan
Hall of Fame
But then again Federer had to compete with 28 yr old Djokovic which by itself can be a daunting task(who on the hindsight ended up being a great as well). I see where some Fed fans come from and understand their view pointIt's like it's only you and me! No one else seems to think Nole more impressive by getting to records and making them his before Fedal's 35th+ years! Whinging about him winning 2 Majors at 35 when he's gotten 3 this year alone! Really ridiculous commentary when it ocmes to Djokovic trying to undermine his achievements!
But then Novak had to face players in their prime at 23-25 which is even harder. Since some of them never won a slam they are seen as mugs, but only time will tell how good they are. Either Djokovic is too good or they actually are mugs not to put away an aging super star. This will be an open question in the years to come.
malbaker86
Hall of Fame
Novak half assed his way into the USO final and there is no reason to believe a 90% Nadal wouldn’t have been able to as well. If both are fit next year, they’ll do it
Fiero425
Legend
It wouldn't have been the first time! Remember when he had multiple WD's and retirements on his way to 2016 USO final? He was a shell of himself after completing his Nole-Slam by winning FO earlier that season! I felt he was in the same trouble then against Wawrinka as he was against Daniil! Nole needed him upset because he's one player that can go toe to toe with Djokovic! With the pressure of the CYGS, I wasn't feeling good about the completion of that feat! I'm not greedy and give Nole all due credit for this season at 34-35! Regardless if Fedal didn't put up much of a fight, the real competition is the NG'rs and they're coming thru to prove their mettle! Sascha was so close; Med completely the upset of history by winning his 1st major! Bravo by all concerned!
Milehigh5280
Professional
If the foot injury is as serious as it sounds then I don't think Nadal can. It's as simple as that for me
I think Novak's situation is way different. He's never had a serious lower body injury, which is usually a sign of the end for older players. He literally won three slams this year and was a match away from the Calender Slam. And he's bounced back from tough losses so many times before
I think Novak's situation is way different. He's never had a serious lower body injury, which is usually a sign of the end for older players. He literally won three slams this year and was a match away from the Calender Slam. And he's bounced back from tough losses so many times before
titoelcolombiano
Legend
Can Federer do what Nadal did and win a slam in his teens and 6 in his 30's? Definitely not
Rafa won in his teens...20s...and 30s.
Rog has won in his 20s and 30s...but has a better chance than Rafa to win in his 40s
Start da Game
Hall of Fame
all these things will be of no use once #21 is achieved......
21 > 20 = 20
21 > 20 = 20
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OhYes
Guest
Why would they need to do that ? They only need 1 more to silence Feds
TennisManiac
Hall of Fame
That's not the point of this thread.
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OhYes
Guest
It is, if Fed can't win anymore that fact impacts their performance as well.
Amen786
Semi-Pro
40-15 is something they'll never do
kevaninho
Hall of Fame
Pretty sure Fed wins none of those slams if Djokovic wasnt AWOL.
Nadal obviously bennefitted from that also in 2017-18 ( although i believe he still wins RG even with a fit Nole ).
The field was pathetic around that time, with only Fedal and Djokovic , along with Murray and occassionally Wawrinka doing anything.
Itll be more difficult for Nadal and Djokovic going forward, as we actually have a few decent guys coming up now.
Nadal obviously bennefitted from that also in 2017-18 ( although i believe he still wins RG even with a fit Nole ).
The field was pathetic around that time, with only Fedal and Djokovic , along with Murray and occassionally Wawrinka doing anything.
Itll be more difficult for Nadal and Djokovic going forward, as we actually have a few decent guys coming up now.
RF-18
Talk Tennis Guru
When it comes to Djokovic I don't see a limit considering how good and fresh he still is on court. He just won 3 slams and reached the final at another. The question is how long can he stay this way. He will put himself into chances to win many more times.
Nadal is a bigger question mark though. He is certainly fading away. On clay he is still the top dog but outside of it I wouldn't favour him against anyone of the diamond age at this point. These guys have reached a new level of maturity on court and level aswell.
Nadal is a bigger question mark though. He is certainly fading away. On clay he is still the top dog but outside of it I wouldn't favour him against anyone of the diamond age at this point. These guys have reached a new level of maturity on court and level aswell.
TennisManiac
Hall of Fame
Novak just did much much worse.
Pheasant
Legend
Djoker has been far healthier than Federer(terrible back and shredded knees) and Nadal(bad foot, knee issues, and a whole bunch of other things). Djoker seems like a decent bet to pull this off. And as unlikely as Nadal seems to do this, I will still never bet against him.
What I do wonder is that if/when Nadal comes back, will he suffer a 2015-2016 slump like he did last time.
What I do wonder is that if/when Nadal comes back, will he suffer a 2015-2016 slump like he did last time.
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Federer won 4 Slams past the of 30. Do you think Nadal or Djokovic can do something like that? In my opinion... I sure don't.
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
So, Novak has won 3 slams this year and lost the last one of the year in the final and he is “obviously fading”??
Has anyone won first 3 slams of the season and lost the 4th in the final last 50 years?
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
Djokovic almost won the Grand Slam this year…ah, wait, almost does not count…
On the other hand, he played his 9th final at the USO - most in open era
And beating Zverev in the Semis he surpassed RF 224 top 10 career wins - at 225 now
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Neither of them need to do it. They might but it’s not essential or that they play as long as Federer
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
It’s getting like that for Novak too. I think soon Wimbledon will be Novak’s best slam like the french is for Rafa. I expect the next gen to start taking over hard court slams now.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
I agree. I also don’t think they will play for as long as Fed. I think they could retire in 2 years to be honest. They already have the records and nothing much left to fight for.
You can say that again.Novak just did much much worse.
38 years old Federer put peak Nole on a rope with 2 MPs while slam-less Medvedev destroyed Nole in straight set.
RelentlessAttack
Hall of Fame
Djokovic is going to win 10 more slams
Let's see if Djokovic comes anything close to winning Slam at age 38. Let alone having MPs in slam final against 20 time slam winner (after beating another 20 time Slam winner in semis). I don't think he will. Djokovic keeps winning because his younger competition is quite weak. If he had another younger 20 time winner on his back - he would struggle to win Slams.
I don't think people realise how much damage Zv and Med have done to Novak. Tennis is a mental game. He was invincible before the Olympics. That aura is gone. When he steps on the court again, everyone has a chance to take him out. If he gets to the semis or the finals, there will be Zv or Med waiting. That thought alone is enough to make himself doubt a little bit.
US open was huge for Nextgen. They have checked him into Hotel Retirement. The song goes like this for Hotel Retirement...
Last thing I remember, I was
Running for the door
I had to find the passage back
To the place I was before
"Relax, " said the night man,
"We are programmed to receive.
You can check-out any time you like,
But you can never leave!
US open was huge for Nextgen. They have checked him into Hotel Retirement. The song goes like this for Hotel Retirement...
Last thing I remember, I was
Running for the door
I had to find the passage back
To the place I was before
"Relax, " said the night man,
"We are programmed to receive.
You can check-out any time you like,
But you can never leave!
Amen786
Semi-Pro
If you're referring to the US open final, then I strongly disagree.Novak just did much much worse.
Djokovic was never ahead in terms of level of play, Medvedev was outplaying him in every tennis department for the most part of the match and won.
Djokovic has yet to lose a big match where he was tennis-wise a better player by a huge margin compared to his opponent. He's way too clutch for that to happen.
With Federer, especially in historical matches, its often reverse the case, where he outplays his opponent by a big margin, gets to winning positions and fails.
dr325i
G.O.A.T.
Zverev today is not weaker than Nadal at 2019 W… young comp is far from weak now.
But that will always be the excuse for the fans, just like I’d argue the good old Agassi (at 35), Baggy, Philly, Gonzo, punch bag Roddick and others guys (half of Rogers 20 slams…)
V
Zverev is useless in Slams - yet to beat Top 10 player there. He is 24 with no Top 10 Slam level victories.
DJoker did it in a weaker field compared to Fed. Fed had to beat peak 2017 Nadal to clinch his 18th slam. Nadal was not at his best and was injured in FO.
Great analysis
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