Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by Russeljones, Aug 1, 2012.
8-2 at slams tells it all
No, I think it makes me a man that comes right out and says what he thinks and doesn't care what others may think about it. Diplomacy = long drawn out BS, to back a simple point.
That's what I thought. So you were not defending a position you don't believe in, like Lsmkenpo claims you did.
Your approach is either/or, but tennis history is a complicated and dialectical matter.
You are avoiding the question, I didn't ask you about specific years.
Are these tournaments generally playing slower over the past decade, Yes or No. Pretty easy for you to answer, you just list the tournament and put Yes or No, no other response is necessary.
Call it politeness. There are ways to debate without attempting to offend, which seems to be one of the hallmarks of a true troll according to what you said earlier.
For example, don't you think that predicting that Nadal won't even be within the Top 8 players of 2012 is simply trolling? Either that or pure stupidity. I mean, it's one of those two, and you are not that dumb, agree?
No, he doesn't believe Laver is the GOAT, he already told me this, I will link to the post if necessary.
Lsmkenpo seems to think that me putting forward Laver's case for GOAT when I don't 100% believe that Laver is GOAT, is me trolling. I think it's me showing how other players apart from Federer could be GOAT.
I can't say I've noticed any real difference in general in regards to the tournaments you mentioned.
Does he believe Federer is the GOAT? I think you simply don't get it.
I don't know, did the hypothetical poster go on backing this claim with 1000 plus posts on the subject?
The hypothetical poster is you. You made that prediction, and whether you used 1000 posts to back it up is irrelevant. You made a statement you didn't believe in with the intention to offend Nadal fans, thus you are guilty of the same type of behavior you condemn, and you are not just a troll, but also a hypocrite. Prove me wrong if you can.
Here was your prediction for the Top 8 players of 2012:
5. Del Potro
But this is precisely what you are misinterpreting.
Apparently, this goes for Laver or anyone.
No, he believes Nadal is the GOAT he just doesn't have the internal fortitude to come right out and say it, he tries to say it with silly stats.
The guy whines like a baby everytime Nadal loses, boohoo the fans of the other players are being mean to me, boohoo Nadal lost, boohoo, I will stay away from the forum for three days now, boohoo.
B.S. Mustard doesn't believe Nadal is the GOAT, and neither do I (or most Nadal fans). I think Federer fans are far more naive in this respect than Nadal fans, because they have the Weeks at #1 and # of Slams in front of their face and can't see beyond them.
Is that right, than I guess you are either ignorant of the sport, or refuse to admit the truth, because the facts may be used against a certain players accomplishments, No?
Which is it? you don't know much about the technical side of the sport, or you are afraid of how the information could be used? Perhaps both, No?
Oh, so you think that was a trolling post, I see, no it wasn't a trolling post, when I make a trolling post about Nadal it is much meaner. That wasn't one of my trolling posts, when I troll it is usually in a thread started by some **** or against some troll account and it is much meaner than that.
Sorry, I hurt your feelings in that thread by not putting Nadal on my list, it wasn't my intention.
As in Caesar? And you surely meant grovel rather than gravel and toga rather than gown.
Only problem with your story is that during the uprising and ensuing military action by Crassus, young Caesar was serving in the army in Asia, and couldn't return to Rome before 68-69 BC.
Otherwise yours is a very entertaining narrative.
Ah, relying on the absence of official information, to stand your ground?
See, therein lies the problem with your statement. Lack of official information doesn't mean a lack of information altogether.
Regardless of the widely spread beliefs amongst the *******s, that an information is real only if Nadal issues it or it comes through channles, that issue statements *******s consider valid, there is this thing called objective reality. Most of the time it is measurable or can be registered through different means.
The video with the comparison between the speed and the bounce of the courts at Wimbledon between 2003-2008 give such analysys. But even if you are not familiar with the said video, it is easy to register the difference with your own eyes. At that applies everywhere.
In extreme cases, you can choose to believe your own eyes.
I'll add spelling queen to your resume...
My comparison/contrast was based on the entertaining narratives of each. The true historical accounts of that time are basically unknown.
Point is Federer comes off more like the coddled, prestigious prince; while Nadal is like a prized freedom fighter. Pedigree vs passion; and their relative fan bases tend to reflect this...
Even so; what would be your point
Federer is the most successful player in this homogenized surface era; therefore is reasonable to assume he has benefitted the most from it :twisted:
It's disturbing if you actually believe what you typed.
Federer fans tend to be old, conservative, risk-averse, and pro-establishment types.
Nadal fans tend to be young, progressive, risk-taking, and rebellious types.
Does the truth disturb you?
Cesar vs Spartacus...
Hm, my take is that nadal fans are:
Which group do you fit btw?
If you can't tell the notable difference in speeds across various tournaments in the recent decade I really don't know what to tell you. Either you're just being an ostrich with his head in the sand, or you're just completely blind. And I'm willing to bet it's the former and not the latter.
Progressiveness and liberalism isn't always the best option.
No, just my observation. When I watch 1990s matches from the tournaments mentioned, I don't think "Woah, this is fast!", apart from some Wimbledon matches with the big serving.
Progressiveness is always the best option.
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