Can someone explain how rankings work at this moment? I have no clue what is going on

[Achilles82]

I understand players keep points from tournaments in 2019 that were skipped in 2020 due to Covid19. So Novak kept 2000 points from Wimbledon , Federer 1200 points, all points from Monte Carlo, Miami, Indian wells were kept, until next year.

But...

Players also kept points from last year US open, even though that tournament took place in 2020. So now both Dominic Thiem and Nadal have 2000 points from US open, both Medvedev and Novak have 1000 points from Cincinnati .... I mean what the hell is that, can someone explain this please?

 

[TripleATeam]

For every tournament past March this year, the 2019 points do not drop. This includes both cancelled tournaments and played tournaments. However, if a player achieves a better result in a 2020 tournament than the 2019 version of it, it will replace the 2019 edition when points are being calculated. The only tournament this doesn't apply to is the ATP Finals.

In effect, this makes it so that point totals can only go up in the near future.

 

[Achilles82]

In effect, this makes it so that point totals can only go up in the near future.

Wow, that is interesting.

So basically, there was no point for Nadal to play US open, or for Novak to play Paris this year. Except for "one more title" or to win some money, which for Novak or Nadal I dont think it matters that much.

EDIT: So who plays at ATP WTF at the end of the year? Just op 8 or...?

 

[Tennis_Freak99]

Wow, that is interesting.

So basically, there was no point for Nadal to play US open, or for Novak to play Paris this year. Except for "one more title" or to win some money, which for Novak or Nadal I dont think it matters that much.

Yep, Although theoretically Rafa can still get YE#1 if he wins everything from here on, so that's some incentive there

 

[Achilles82]

Yep, Although theoretically Rafa can still get YE#1 if he wins everything from here on, so that's some incentive there

He would have to win one ATP 250 tournament, in addition on winning both Paris and WTF. Winning just WTF and Paris he would still be short for 150 points. So Its highly unlikely.

EDIT: This is if he wins tomorrows final against Novak.

EDIT 2: And also if Novak doesnt win a single point for the rest of the season after RG. He would need at least 2 wins at WTF (200 points more) to secure world no1 position.

 

[thrust]

Yep, Although theoretically Rafa can still get YE#1 if he wins everything from here on, so that's some incentive there

Last year Novak lost in the semi's, however, by reaching this year's FO final he has already gained 480 points at this year's FO and would gain more if he wins the final tomorrow. Rafa, however, because he won the French last year cannot gain or lose any points with this years' special ranking system. Novak is nearly 2000 points ahead of Rafa now, so it will be really difficult for Rafa to overtake Novak in ranking points this year.

 

[lucky13]

Wow, that is interesting.

So basically, there was no point for Nadal to play US open, or for Novak to play Paris this year. Except for "one more title" or to win some money, which for Novak or Nadal I dont think it matters that much.

EDIT: So who plays at ATP WTF at the end of the year? Just op 8 or...?

nole can play wien for potential 500p if he wants.

 

[thrust]

nole can play wien for potential 500p if he wants.

I was thinking that IF the rankings were close, could Novak skip Paris which he could gain no points because he won it last year, and instead play Wien and gain ranking points there? As I think the rankings will not be very close, especially if Novak wins tomorrow, Novak would choose to possibly win another masters title.

 

[Deleted member 770948]

Wow, that is interesting.

So basically, there was no point for Nadal to play US open, or for Novak to play Paris this year. Except for "one more title" or to win some money, which for Novak or Nadal I dont think it matters that much.

EDIT: So who plays at ATP WTF at the end of the year? Just op 8 or...?

Nadal plays to win grand slam titles.
He doesn't play for computer ranking points.
If there were no grand slam titles, most of guys would have already retired.

 

[Achilles82]

Nadal plays to win grand slam titles.
He doesn't play for computer ranking points.
If there were no grand slam titles, most of guys would have already retired.

Thats true but its also calculated. I agree that in tennis most important is winning titles. Rankings are just some algorithm that some people made up. But even still, I think Nadal does care about winning RG, but would rather rest than risking injury on a tournament that he already has max points.

 

[RaulRamirez]

Nadal plays to win grand slam titles.
He doesn't play for computer ranking points.
If there were no grand slam titles, most of guys would have already retired.

Don't take this as a criticism of Rafa, who I'm a big fan of, but I think he does place some value on being #1, and especially YE#1. I don't criticize anyone who skipped the US Open during these times, and I have no idea if knowing that he would still retain his 2000 points from last year affected his decision not to play this year.

 

[thrust]

Nadal plays to win grand slam titles.
He doesn't play for computer ranking points.
If there were no grand slam titles, most of guys would have already retired.

Novak, because he has a good chance of passing Roger in weeks at #1 and YE at#1, is playing for slams and rankings

 

[N01E]

With lead going to 2090 Nadal could technically still end the year as #1, but only if he wins RG, Bercy and WTF without losing any RR matches while Novak loses all of his. We still have to wait for official news regarding keeping the points pre-April from 2020 until 2022, but if it's confirmed then RG or WTF can decide the record.

Assuming none of Djokodal play any 250s Djokovic needs one win at WTF to fully secure the ranking.

Nadal plays to win grand slam titles.
He doesn't play for computer ranking points.
If there were no grand slam titles, most of guys would have already retired.

That explains the end of 2017.

 

[Meles]

Nadal plays to win grand slam titles.
He doesn't play for computer ranking points.
If there were no grand slam titles, most of guys would have already retired.

 

[Achilles82]

Assuming none of Djokodal play any 250s Djokovic needs one win at WTF to fully secure the ranking.

He needs two wins. He already has 200 points, if he has only one win, he will still have 200 points. He needs 2 wins, to get 200 additional points, which will be a total of 400 points. That will secure No1 spot.

 

[roysid]

The current system is so hazy and illogical.
- You don't play this year, but still retain points from last year.
- You play this year, but get the best points from two editions.

Tournament didn't happen in 2020. No problem, points are retained.

This is coronavirus induced ranking system to protect the top players.

 

[r2473]

Federer played 6 total matches this year, reaching the SF of Australian and he's ranked 4th.

 

[James P]

Yeah, Fed should be at 1800 points right now (-20 ranks), Goffin should be at around 1930 (-9 ranks), and Basilashvili should be at around 745 (-55 ranks, damn near out of the top 100). And that's just factoring in the matches that they participated in, or in Fed's case, his injury. Del Potro is still ranked on the strength of 4 tournaments in 2019 that stay on his rankings, consequently is still #140, lmao.

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

He needs two wins. He already has 200 points, if he has only one win, he will still have 200 points. He needs 2 wins, to get 200 additional points, which will be a total of 400 points. That will secure No1 spot.

I think they will loose yec points unlike other events so one match will do the trick

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

Maximum points that Rafa can gain is 1740, while Novak is already ahead of more than 1800.
Now yec 200 for Novak and 400 for Rafa will drop down so Novak has to win only match at yec

 

[DSH]

Federer's record of more weeks as world number 1 in the Open Era will be history in March 2021.
Djokovic will reach a new mark in the ATP rankings in that position.
Congratulations, Nolistas!

 

[N01E]

He needs two wins. He already has 200 points, if he has only one win, he will still have 200 points. He needs 2 wins, to get 200 additional points, which will be a total of 400 points. That will secure No1 spot.

No. The current difference between them is 1410. Add Novak's points for RG final and it' 1890. The WTF points are dropping so the difference is 2090. Nadal can get 640 points from Bercy and 1500 from WTF so 2140 in total.

 

[lucky13]

nole needs 50p to secure YE # 1. he can play vien for potential 500p if he wants, 2 wins (90p) there would be enough. or a win in WTF. and all this if rafa does not lose a single match, counting from today's final to the WTFs final.