Can vibration dampener increase strings tension?

ungvas

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Hi, i restring my raquet with Luxilon Adrenaline at very low tension (19 kg). And i found that without vibration dampener strings are like trampoline but with dampener this "trampoline effect" are reduced and it feels like its strung at higher tension.

What do you think? It possible or i'm wrong...

Thanks
 
I don't think that a dampener increases tension, but it makes the stringbed feel slightly firmer/it pockets the ball less IMO.
 
The operative word here is "feel".

Dampeners do nothing to your string tension, but because the sound changes, it can give the impression the string-tension has changed.

Bingo. I'm amazed at how many surreal qualities/characteristics people attribute to something as insignificant as dampeners. They suppress string vibration - period.
 
Strings 'feel' dead with a dampener to me. I doubt it make any difference at all except for feel but I think I loose power.
 
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when you say you "loose power" do you mean to say that you are able to let power go? That power is something you can release at will?

Or do you mean that you "lose power"?
 
Stringsavers are kind of dampeners and they increase the tension of the strings.

i wanna agree here, while i dont use these myself, 2 players i do play with swear that string savers tension the string bed a bit more, since its a bunch of them, affecting multiple strings.

however, i dont see how a dampener would have this effect by just pressing on 2 MAIN strings..
 
Hi, i restring my raquet with Luxilon Adrenaline at very low tension (19 kg). And i found that without vibration dampener strings are like trampoline but with dampener this "trampoline effect" are reduced and it feels like its strung at higher tension.

What do you think? It possible or i'm wrong...

Thanks
I experience the same effect. This only occurs at low tension (mine is at 36lbs). With dampener string bed feels tighter when bouncing a ball against it.
 
I experience the same effect. This only occurs at low tension (mine is at 36lbs). With dampener string bed feels tighter when bouncing a ball against it.
It doesnt stretch anything, it has practically no weight, there is no pressure applied so how can it affect tension? It reduces vibration and affects feel thats all
 
It doesnt stretch anything, it has practically no weight, there is no pressure applied so how can it affect tension? It reduces vibration and affects feel thats all
Mine is rather tight and pinches quite hard the two center main strings as well as squeezing the lower cross string. So physically I think it is reducing the racket string bed area so to speak. I can definitely feel the added tightness in the sweet spot with it on.
Keep in mind that my strings are strung at a low 36lbs and quite movable. With the dampener the strings that it touches are no longer movable. I don't think you'll feel this effect at higher tensions. I tried the dampener on my other racket strung at 44 and there isn't this effect so I suspect that the simple mechanism of holding down loose strings creates a tighter string bed.
 
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Hi, i restring my raquet with Luxilon Adrenaline at very low tension (19 kg). And i found that without vibration dampener strings are like trampoline but with dampener this "trampoline effect" are reduced and it feels like its strung at higher tension.

What do you think? It possible or i'm wrong...

Thanks

ungvas

A dampener will not make you a better player nor make you play worse. A dampener might just keep you from having arm issues latter in life.

Someone, once said, "Don't worry about the little sh't. Just hit the darn ball in the sweet spot."

Aloha
 
Mine is rather tight and pinches quite hard the two center main strings as well as squeezing the lower cross string. So physically I think it is reducing the racket string bed area so to speak. I can definitely feel the added tightness in the sweet spot with it on.
Keep in mind that my strings are strung at a low 36lbs and quite movable. With the dampener the strings that it touches are no longer movable. I don't think you'll feel this effect at higher tensions. I tried the dampener on my other racket strung at 44 and there isn't this effect so I suspect that the simple mechanism of holding down loose strings creates a tighter string bed.
I still think it is just a matter of feel and perception. I mean if it could be measured it would solve the mystery.
 
I still think it is just a matter of feel and perception. I mean if it could be measured it would solve the mystery.
Well all I can say is without dampener strings can move easily, with dampener the strings if touches can no longer move. It is very reasonable to conclude that that would tighten the hitting area as stings can't flex as much.
 
Well all I can say is without dampener strings can move easily, with dampener the strings if touches can no longer move. It is very reasonable to conclude that that would tighten the hitting area as stings can't flex as much.
They can flex, they just don't resonate afterwards.
 
They can flex, they just don't resonate afterwards.
Strings that are held in place by something won't flex as much as strings that aren't held in place by that thing...that was my point. Perhaps this thread is erroneously stated as string tension doesn't actually increase since nothing is pulling at strings but the flex in the overall string bed could be affected because of the dampener holding strings in place.
 
Strings that are held in place by something won't flex as much as strings that aren't held in place by that thing...that was my point. Perhaps this thread is erroneously stated as string tension doesn't actually increase since nothing is pulling at strings but the flex in the overall string bed could be affected because of the dampener holding strings in place.
They are slightly hindered in movement at a single junction of strings far away from the actual hitting area.
 
They are slightly hindered in movement at a single junction of strings far away from the actual hitting area.
Yes but my racket head is only 85 so it's not far from the lower sweet spot. Only about 2 inches from top of dampener. The effect is felt at low string tension to begin with. The restriction on string movement of the two center mains is quite pronounced.
 
I guess we just disagree. To me a racket actually feels softer with an vibration damper in than without. But perhaps it is different at tensions below 22 kgs which I rarely play with.
 
Hi, i restring my raquet with Luxilon Adrenaline at very low tension (19 kg). And i found that without vibration dampener strings are like trampoline but with dampener this "trampoline effect" are reduced and it feels like its strung at higher tension.

What do you think? It possible or i'm wrong...

Thanks

i'm wrong...

I agree with you on this.

I use a #64 rubber band and I tie it on 6 center mains.
The most significant difference it makes is to deaden the annoying sound of the strings.

Sound affects your perception of everything.
 
I guess we just disagree. To me a racket actually feels softer with an vibration damper in than without. But perhaps it is different at tensions below 22 kgs which I rarely play with.
Well how can you disagree with me if you haven't investigated it at low tensions? I examined this effect on my other racket strung at higher tension and it is not there so I'm not saying it occurs all the time.
 
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A vibration dampener does not increase the tension. It mostly dulls the string vibration/noise making it sound deader. Despite many people swearing they make racquets play different the main thing they do is change the sound of impact.

For some people, such as Povl Carstensen and myself, a dampener makes a racquet less harsh by turning the metallic 'chink' noise many frame/string combinations (especially modern, stiff strings) have into more of a 'thud' which sounds softer.

The notion that a dampener alters the string tension (or power or spin) is pretty much laughable.
 
Hi, i restring my raquet with Luxilon Adrenaline at very low tension (19 kg). And i found that without vibration dampener strings are like trampoline but with dampener this "trampoline effect" are reduced and it feels like its strung at higher tension.

What do you think? It possible or i'm wrong...

Thanks

Doesn't matter whether you are right or wrong...
Doesn't matter what the TT people think...

Since you're stringing your own racquets, just vary the tension and dampener installation until you get the playing characteristic out of the stringbed you desire.
 
A vibration dampener does not increase the tension. It mostly dulls the string vibration/noise making it sound deader. Despite many people swearing they make racquets play different the main thing they do is change the sound of impact.

For some people, such as Povl Carstensen and myself, a dampener makes a racquet less harsh by turning the metallic 'chink' noise many frame/string combinations (especially modern, stiff strings) have into more of a 'thud' which sounds softer.

The notion that a dampener alters the string tension (or power or spin) is pretty much laughable.
You're right, it doesn't alter string tension per se, but what it does at low tensions is that it restricts movement of loose strings and thus creating a firmer flex in the string bed. So hitting a ball is not as soft and more tense. Simple physics. Strings that are movable will flex more than strings that are held down.
 
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Well the dampener is not fixed to anything, so the strings are actually pretty free to move. Plus the the added weight by the dampener will actually increase sw or plowthrough and give a softer feel.
 
Well the dampener is not fixed to anything, so the strings are actually pretty free to move. Plus the the added weight by the dampener will actually increase sw or plowthrough and give a softer feel.
Nope that's not what's happening. The two main strings are pinched by the dampener and can no longer move laterally. Since they are firmly attached to the bottom cross string, that also limits its ability to flex. I suggest you try it out yourself with a racquet strung at 36 or lower tension. No point wondering about it when you can experience it first hand.

I'm not sure if plow through is necessarily related to soft feel. Plow through is correlated to rackets mass while feel is complicated and highly string dependent (type and tension).
 
Nope that's not what's happening. The two main strings are pinched by the dampener and can no longer move laterally. Since they are firmly attached to the bottom cross string
You have way overthought this man. The dampeners are not attached to anything laterally which would restrict the movement of the mains.

FWIW, I also play with an 85, and usually use a Sampras 'O' dampener. The main strings always move around pretty freely and the dampener moves with them.

You're a new poster so I can't be sure. If you had been here longer I would just assume you're trolling for a laugh.
 
You have way overthought this man. The dampeners are not attached to anything laterally which would restrict the movement of the mains.

FWIW, I also play with an 85, and usually use a Sampras 'O' dampener. The main strings always move around pretty freely and the dampener moves with them.

You're a new poster so I can't be sure. If you had been here longer I would just assume you're trolling for a laugh.

So you're making assumptions on what you think is going on based on the gear you had. My dampener is a wide Prince one that tightly pinches the two mains as well as the bottom cross. In fact the dampener pushes the two mains further out than their resting position so a clear lateral force is being exerted on the strings by the dampener. Nothing moves around the dampener. Maybe it doesn't work with your O dampener, but that's irrelavant to what I'm observing. Lateral movement is restricted cause the dampener is in the way...doesn't take much over thinking to figure that out. Again, simple physics. It's pretty obvious to me...you seem to be "over thinking" trying to figure it out.
 
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Funny how the term "simple physics" is mostly thrown around by people who know nothing about physics.
Yep and clearly you don't get it. Typical response from someone who can't provide a sound counter so he goes personal. Nice try Junior!
 
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when you say you "loose power" do you mean to say that you are able to let power go? That power is something you can release at will?

Or do you mean that you "lose power"?

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Nope that's not what's happening. The two main strings are pinched by the dampener and can no longer move laterally. Since they are firmly attached to the bottom cross string, that also limits its ability to flex. I suggest you try it out yourself with a racquet strung at 36 or lower tension. No point wondering about it when you can experience it first hand.

I'm not sure if plow through is necessarily related to soft feel. Plow through is correlated to rackets mass while feel is complicated and highly string dependent (type and tension).
When the ball moves the strings in the middle of the racquet, the dampener is so far down from the string movement where it doesn't have any impact.
 
When the ball moves the strings in the middle of the racquet, the dampener is so far down from the string movement where it doesn't have any impact.

Agree.

But some people hit the ball near the throat, so a dampener might be a concern to them.
 
When the ball moves the strings in the middle of the racquet, the dampener is so far down from the string movement where it doesn't have any impact.
depends on racket head size. Mine is 85 so top of dampener is only about 1.5 inch from lower sweet spot
 
Mine is rather tight and pinches quite hard the two center main strings as well as squeezing the lower cross string. So physically I think it is reducing the racket string bed area so to speak. I can definitely feel the added tightness in the sweet spot with it on.
Keep in mind that my strings are strung at a low 36lbs and quite movable. With the dampener the strings that it touches are no longer movable. I don't think you'll feel this effect at higher tensions. I tried the dampener on my other racket strung at 44 and there isn't this effect so I suspect that the simple mechanism of holding down loose strings creates a tighter string bed.

Yea I feel this too on my prestige mid. The head dampner I use doesn't lose shape like the sampras 'O' dampner. So the strings get stretched more where the dampner is. When I move the strings with my fingers they definitely move easier without the dampner in. To a layman that probably is a slight increase in tension but again I'm just going by what I see to the naked eye. Don't know if it technically increases tension.
 
Yea I feel this too on my prestige mid. The head dampner I use doesn't lose shape like the sampras 'O' dampner. So the strings get stretched more where the dampner is. When I move the strings with my fingers they definitely move easier without the dampner in. To a layman that probably is a slight increase in tension but again I'm just going by what I see to the naked eye. Don't know if it technically increases tension.
Well when you think about it, if the dampener is pushing the strings further out than their resting position, then there is a force applied to the strings so added tension is there as the strings are stretched a few mm's further.
 
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