Can we all agree now that Murray is

fedtastic

Hall of Fame
#1
the 2nd best player in the world after Federer. The rankings don't lie and I think he deserves to be there. Sure Nadal was resting and stuff but Murray has really been rock solid. I see him winning a major in 2 years.

Is he really the 2nd best or did he just get lucky?
 
S

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#2
the 2nd best player in the world after Federer. The rankings don't lie and I think he deserves to be there. Sure Nadal was resting and stuff but Murray has really been rock solid. I see him winning a major in 2 years.
Yes I agree.
 
#8
only top 3 player without a slam ha cough(Safina)cough. he doesn't deserve to be number 2. Murray just got a lucky break, because of nadal's knees.
 
#11
No..... unfortunately for Murray, Nadal lost too many points by missing tourneys. He is the 2nd best player at the moment, but its too soon to tell, especially considering Nadal was easily the better player pre-FO
 

egn

Hall of Fame
#14
Murray deserves it, he actually maintained fitness throughout the whole year and did not get injured. He h as been the second best player over the whole year because he actually has played the whole year. I am sorry Nadal was injured, it is sad, but that is his own fault. Nobody ran out and broke his knees. It is his own fitness, if his fitness stops him from maintaining his ranking then that is the way it is. Don't say Murray is no real number 2 because he did not win a slam. That is BS..tons of guys never won a slam and got to the number 2 ranking..So is Roddick the true number 3 behind Nadal the true number 2 and Djokovic is the true number 4..they all have slams as well. Or is it because they have a slam this year..where does this end?
 

Aabye

Professional
#17
Murray deserves it, he actually maintained fitness throughout the whole year and did not get injured. He h as been the second best player over the whole year because he actually has played the whole year. I am sorry Nadal was injured, it is sad, but that is his own fault. Nobody ran out and broke his knees. It is his own fitness, if his fitness stops him from maintaining his ranking then that is the way it is. Don't say Murray is no real number 2 because he did not win a slam. That is BS..tons of guys never won a slam and got to the number 2 ranking..So is Roddick the true number 3 behind Nadal the true number 2 and Djokovic is the true number 4..they all have slams as well. Or is it because they have a slam this year..where does this end?
Agreed, 10 char!
 
#21
nadal's not done, rafa owns him and is a much better player on all surfaces (maybe hard to judge on fast hard courts).

remember rafa has a slam this year, murray has zero in his life. rafa owns him 7-2 and has more titles.

murray got lucky from rafa's absence on tour, he didn't earn anything
 
#22
Murray is better than Nadal on hardcourts.
Faster hardcourts I will agree.. I dont think hes better than Nadal on ANY slower courts.


Murray lost to redhot verdasco at the AO. Nadal beats Verdasco and beats Fed the following match.

Murray wouldnt have done that.


Is Murray on paper #2? yes... Is he the 2nd best player in the world at this time? No.

He was demolished by Roddick at Wimbeldon in front of his Homecrowd. Is 2-7 against Nadal. Had a crappy RG showing and lost to the guy at the AO nadal beat.

So no Murray isnt the 2nd best player in the world IMO. He only managed it because Nadal got injured. Plain and Simple
 
#23
Faster hardcourts I will agree.. I dont think hes better than Nadal ANY slower courts.


Murray lost to redhot verdasco at the AO. Nadal beats Verdasco and beats Fed the following match.

Murray wouldnt have done that
Who knows for sure. The Murray-Verdasco match was almost as incredibly close as the Verdasco-Nadal, and Murray owns Federer overall on hard courts and may have played alot better than the 2008 U.S Open final, and Federer didnt serve well in the Australian Open final at all. Still I agree overall with what you are saying.
 
#24
Murray hasn't even won a slam yet and people are already claiming him to be better than Nadal? Ridiculous. Ranking don't always tell the whole story. Nadal destroyed Murray in Indian Wells and beat him in Monte-Carlo. Nadal is better.
 
#27
Who knows for sure. The Murray-Verdasco match was almost as incredibly close as the Verdasco-Nadal, and Murray owns Federer overall on hard courts and may have played alot better than the 2008 U.S Open final, and Federer didnt serve well in the Australian Open final at all. Still I agree overall with what you are saying.


Disagree, 40% serving Federer nearly took it to Nadal for 4 sets off the baseline. Despite that mental collapse in the 5th set, I seriously doubt Murray takes 2 sets off of Federer the way he was hitting off the baseline that day. I mean, the fact that Federer was serving abysmally poor and was still in that match should tell you how well he was hitting off the ground that day.



The Murray-Verdasco match if you remember was filled with choking on both parts. It was a very low quality match, and alot of Andy Murray fans like to say that Verdasco was "red hot" that whole match, when in fact he sucked it up for the most part until the 5th set, where Andy Murray still had the upper hand in that set until he got too defensive. Verdasco didn't really catch fire until the Tsonga match where he was truly impressive.
 
#28
I think Murray belongs where he is, but I don't think he's going to move any further up (world #1) unless he improves his slam results.
Correct, Masters Series are very important but they only get you so far. If you want to be the best player on the planet you have to win the majors, Murray knows that and i'm sure the work he has put in over the last two years has been done to help him achieve it.
 
#29
Correct, Masters Series are very important but they only get you so far. If you want to be the best player on the planet you have to win the majors, Murray knows that and i'm sure the work he has put in over the last two years has been done to help him achieve it.


Well he's got his work cut out for him. Anything short of a final would be a disappointment for him IMO at the USO.
 
#30
Disagree, 40% serving Federer nearly took it to Nadal for 4 sets off the baseline. Despite that mental collapse in the 5th set, I seriously doubt Murray takes 2 sets off of Federer the way he was hitting off the baseline that day. I mean, the fact that Federer was serving abysmally poor and was still in that match should tell you how well he was hitting off the ground that day.



The Murray-Verdasco match if you remember was filled with choking on both parts. It was a very low quality match, and alot of Andy Murray fans like to say that Verdasco was "red hot" that whole match, when in fact he sucked it up for the most part until the 5th set, where Andy Murray still had the upper hand in that set until he got too defensive. Verdasco didn't really catch fire until the Tsonga match where he was truly impressive.
Yeah it was an incredibly hot day where both struggled, I wouldn't say Verdasco only started to turn it on when he got to Tsonga though. Verdasco had only lost something like 12 games on his way to the 4th round (including 2 bagels against Stepanek!).
 

sh@de

Hall of Fame
#31
Murray has been the second best around, because Nadal was away. Now that Nadal is back, things might change. But that doesn't affect the fact that Murray deserves his current ranking.
 
#32
Well, the rankings say so and he definitely deserves to be #2, but just bear in mind that Nadal has 2000 or so race points more than Murray this year even after crashing out of the FO and missing Wimby.
 
#33
Well, the rankings say so and he definitely deserves to be #2, but just bear in mind that Nadal has 2000 or so race points more than Murray this year even after crashing out of the FO and missing Wimby.



Which means if Murray doesn't defend his points at Cincinnati and the USO (and the indoor season too) he won't be holding onto #2 very long.
 
#38
AS OF RIGHT NOW, Murray is the best player on HC.

His #2 ranking is deserved, due to Nadal's injury. No if's about it, because Nadal DID get hurt and miss one of the 4 big events of the year.
 
#40
Can we all agree now that Murray is the 2nd best player in the world after Federer.
Dinara Murray certainly hasn't earned it. He can send a thank you note to the inflammation in Rafa's knee.

It doesn't matter what Rafa's ranking is post-injury. That will all change once he plays the French and Wimbledon again... if not before with the points Murray has to defend.

Fed can thank #1 on the injury as well, but at least he manned up and won Wimbledon.
 
#42
Well, obviously he is the second highest-ranking, but whether he is actually the second best (better than Nadal, who has beaten him in seven of nine meetings, including twice this year, and who has won a Slam and four other titles this year) is questionable, I think, given that this ranking is primarily the result of Nadal's two-and-a-half month run of inactivity. Let us see how his performance compares to Nadal's over the rest of this season.
 
#43
Well murray obviously deserves his spot but,as many other users have said,it had more to do with Nadal's injury than Murray's rise.In a few weeks Nadal lost 3000 something points while Murray gained more because he improved his results at RG and WB and won Queens and is now in the Montreal final.
Those are good results but if Rafa was on the scene I doubt he would have made it to nr.2.If djokovic had gotten his **** together Rafa would have probably been nr.4 right now.

In the end,in Nadal's absence(both from loss in RG and injury in WB) Fed won 2 slams,Murray 0.That's the difference and Murray needs to step it up.
For me it's very weird that he hasn't won a slam yet,hell,he's only made 1 final,even djoker has two.It is weird because Murray is essential Nadal with a better serve.I think Rafa is better because he has added offensive elements to his arsenal and has more mental strength than Murray.Murray is a great tactician but at times gets waaaayyyyyy too defensive.He knows how to run people all around and he does it in a energy-saving manner,he doesn't pound the ball like delpotro or Nadal,he only hits a hard shot when he wants to gain an advantage.Also,it's strange how he hasn't won anything big on clay,considering that his game is pretty good for clay and has trained in Spain when he was younger.

If I am not mistaken he is 22.Next year,when he will be 23,he needs to start winning Slams to prove he can truly hang with Nadal and Federer.
 
#45
Dinara Murray certainly hasn't earned it. He can send a thank you note to the inflammation in Rafa's knee.

It doesn't matter what Rafa's ranking is post-injury. That will all change once he plays the French and Wimbledon again... if not before with the points Murray has to defend.

Fed can thank #1 on the injury as well, but at least he manned up and won Wimbledon.
Of course he didn't earn it - somebody else earned all those ranking points and gave them to Murray when nobody was looking. And it's not as if staying fit is part of the fundamentals of pro sport or anything like that.

Cry me a river Antonio, cry me a river.
 
#46
Nadal made mistakes (he admits it) and couldn't stay healthy, but it still took a very, very solid year from Murray to take advantage. He earned his spot.
 
#49
im really pleased for murray, he's put in alot of hard work in the last year or so. He deserves to be where he is now, regardless of what people are saying
 
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