Can we demote this wimbledon to a 250 event

DanG7

Rookie
1st round: Djokovic vs Draper 1/100
2nd round: Djokovic vs anderson 1/20
3rd round:Djokovic vs kudla 1/50
4th round: Djokovic vs garin 1/50
Quarters: Djokovic vs fucsovics 1/50
Semis: Djokovic vs Shapovalov 1/18

LOL
Weak era, the weakest era, the weakest slam run of all time.
Djokervic, Luckovic
 

Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
1st round: Djokovic vs Draper 1/100
2nd round: Djokovic vs anderson 1/20
3rd round:Djokovic vs kudla 1/50
4th round: Djokovic vs garin 1/50
Quarters: Djokovic vs fucsovics 1/50
Semis: Djokovic vs Shapovalov 1/18

LOL
Weak era, the weakest era, the weakest slam run of all time.
Djokervic, Luckovic

The first five opponents were pathetic but there is no way Shapo is 1/18. Shapo has at least one in three chance, assuming he is relaxed and does not choke. A big ask from this generation but it is high time Shapo stepped up.

"Anything is possible." -- Shapo
 
1st round: Djokovic vs Draper 1/100
2nd round: Djokovic vs anderson 1/20
3rd round:Djokovic vs kudla 1/50
4th round: Djokovic vs garin 1/50
Quarters: Djokovic vs fucsovics 1/50
Semis: Djokovic vs Shapovalov 1/18

LOL
Weak era, the weakest era, the weakest slam run of all time.
Djokervic, Luckovic
1st round: Mannarino
2nd round: Gasquet
3rd round: Norrie
4th round: Sonego
Quarterfinals: Hurkacz

Murderer's row.

And he looked like complete **** LOL
 

Third Serve

Talk Tennis Guru
Eh, that’s still US Open 2017. This might end up being down there though, but let’s wait till the matches are played.
Actually, hold that thought.

It's probably true for the modern era, but there's still Wimbledon 1973 even if we're talking just the Open Era.


81 ATP players (including the defending champion Stan Smith) boycotted the tournament as a protest against the suspension of Nikola Pilic by the Yugoslav Tennis Federation, a decision that had the backing of the International Lawn Tennis Federation. Look at all of the Lucky Losers and Qualifiers in the draw.

Jan Kodes (2) ended up winning the whole thing. Here's his path:

1R: K. Hirai (LL)
2R: P. Marzano (LL)
3R: J. Yuill (Q)
4R: J. Mukerjea (LL)
QF: V. Amritraj
SF: R. Taylor (3)
F: A. Metreveli (4)

Yeah, that doesn't look great. It's probably best to just acknowledge this tournament as a MASSIVE outlier, though.
 

Fiero425

Legend
2017 Del Potro would give Djoko a 100x times bigger fight than any one of the players Djoko met

What is Djokovic to do; deny the trophy if he wins because the competition was weak? Federer would have to turn over quite a few himself if we want to go down this road! Nadal's FO's were so boringly routine, many I didn't turn on for 5 minutes! It all balances out in the end! :unsure:
 

Fiero425

Legend
Djokovic Open

The USO last year looked about the same with no real competition for him when Fedal skipped the event! No one thought anyone else was going to win until Djokovic was DQ'd! Now this event looks like a smooth path has been laid, but this is grass! Anything can happen! Shapo might serve Nole right off the court tmrw! I'm gonna hold my breath until Sunday afternoon when it's all over! :sneaky:
 

I Am Finnish

Bionic Poster
The USO last year looked about the same with no real competition for him when Fedal skipped the event! No one thought anyone else was going to win until Djokovic was DQ'd! Now this event looks like a smooth path has been laid, but this is grass! Anything can happen! Shapo might serve Nole right off the court tmrw! I'm gonna hold my breath until Sunday afternoon when it's all over! :sneaky:
I don't trust next genners on grass and bo5
 

Fiero425

Legend
I don't trust next genners on grass and bo5

It's not their fault! This has been one of those freaky "eras of players" who really extended their reign longer than believed possible! Federer actually turned pro in the late 90's, but didn't hit his stride for a few years with his only noteworthy accomplishment in those early years was upsetting Sampras in 2002 Wimbledon! Each time you thought one of the Big 3 was slowing/breaking down, they had a resurrgence! By 2009 I thought Fed looked weak where he was "accommodated" more than won much! He had lost '09 AO to Rafa, but Soderling saved him by upsetting Rafa at FO! The upsets continued at Wimbledon where Roger faced his personal pigeon in the final! Roddick probably should have won, but for that high BH volley miss in the 2nd set! Federer was almost accommodated again when Del Po eviscerated Nadal in the SF of the USO! Fed had a lead, but blew it allowing Del Po to win in 5! I thought Fed had lost a step, but the NG just couldn't overcome his aura with some called the "lost gen;" Kei, Milos, Grigor! Fed's had a couple more resurrections around 2012 and 2017, but I think '19 Wimbledon final his last real highlight and this should be "the end!" It's been embarrassing acting as if he's going to do something meaningful, but being schooled by Mannarino in the 1st Rd. of Wimbledon! People forget! :sneaky:
 

Omega_7000

Legend
1st round: Djokovic vs Draper 1/100
2nd round: Djokovic vs anderson 1/20
3rd round:Djokovic vs kudla 1/50
4th round: Djokovic vs garin 1/50
Quarters: Djokovic vs fucsovics 1/50
Semis: Djokovic vs Shapovalov 1/18

LOL
Weak era, the weakest era, the weakest slam run of all time.
Djokervic, Luckovic

Even luckier with three generations of absolutely horrendous next gen tennis talent
 

Tennisfan339

Professional
He will have beaten 3 Top-20 if he wins the tournament. He is playing the #10 seed in SF and possibly a top10 in final. I agree it's not a difficult draw for his standards, but I have seen worse than this including for Nadal and Federer. As stated on another thread, Djokovic has the highest percentage of wins against top-10.
For this Wimbledon, even if he played Davidovich, Monfils, Rublev and Tsitsipas (the seeds he should've faced) I strongly believe he would still be in the tournament. Not his fault if ADF choked against Kudla, Rublev choked against Fucsovics and Tsitsipas got steamrolled in R1.
Draper and Anderson were tricky opponents on grass, for a R1 and a R2. The ranking doesn't really matter here. Draper just beat 2 top-40 on grass in straight sets a week before Wimbledon, he obviously plays a lot better than a #260. Anderson played the final 3 years ago, and he has one of the biggest serves on grass, on this surface he is clearly more dangerous than a #105. If Djokovic could pick his R2 opponent before the dra ceremony, I am pretty sure he would have prefered to play Alcaraz, Sandgren or Gasquet instead of Anderson.
Yes, for the R4 and the QF he was lucky to face Garin and Fucsovics but again, this is on Monfils and Rublev, not him. If Sinner, Schwartzman and Rublev couldn't beat Fucsovics, they were never going to beat Djokovic. And for the other part of the draw... credit to Hurkacz and Berrettini. Same reasoning here... if Medvedev, Federer and Zverev couldn't get past the QF, it's a good thing they aren't facing Djokovic in the final.
 

The_Order

G.O.A.T.
He will have beaten 3 Top-20 if he wins the tournament. He is playing the #10 seed in SF and possibly a top10 in final. I agree it's not a difficult draw for his standards, but I have seen worse than this including for Nadal and Federer. As stated on another thread, Djokovic has the highest percentage of wins against top-10.
For this Wimbledon, even if he played Davidovich, Monfils, Rublev and Tsitsipas (the seeds he should've faced) I strongly believe he would still be in the tournament. Not his fault if ADF choked against Kudla, Rublev choked against Fucsovics and Tsitsipas got steamrolled in R1.
Draper and Anderson were tricky opponents on grass, for a R1 and a R2. The ranking doesn't really matter here. Draper just beat 2 top-40 on grass in straight sets a week before Wimbledon, he obviously plays a lot better than a #260. Anderson played the final 3 years ago, and he has one of the biggest serves on grass, on this surface he is clearly more dangerous than a #105. If Djokovic could pick his R2 opponent before the dra ceremony, I am pretty sure he would have prefered to play Alcaraz, Sandgren or Gasquet instead of Anderson.
Yes, for the R4 and the QF he was lucky to face Garin and Fucsovics but again, this is on Monfils and Rublev, not him. If Sinner, Schwartzman and Rublev couldn't beat Fucsovics, they were never going to beat Djokovic. And for the other part of the draw... credit to Hurkacz and Berrettini. Same reasoning here... if Medvedev, Federer and Zverev couldn't get past the QF, it's a good thing they aren't facing Djokovic in the final.

Look, let's face the facts, the only player he'd be losing to is Federer aged 21-35 or Nadal in 07/08 form.... or Stan of course..
 

DanG7

Rookie
The first five opponents were pathetic but there is no way Shapo is 1/18. Shapo has at least one in three chance, assuming he is relaxed and does not choke. A big ask from this generation but it is high time Shapo stepped up.

"Anything is possible." -- Shapo
I hope shapo shows up, but bookies have Djokovic as high as 1/20
 

DanG7

Rookie
In winning his 19 Slams, Djokovic's opposition was much much stronger than Federer's opposition in winning his 20.

Was there so much whining in '17 when Federer won Wimbledon without dropping a set? I bet not, the complainers were so happy celebrating!
That’s because if your not ignorant- Federer beat-
Dimitrov round 4: Wimeldon semi finalist
Raonic quarters: Wimbledon finalist
Berdych semis: Wimbledon finalist and multiple semi finalist
Cilic final: Wimbledon finalist, and top 5 on grass at the time!
Do not compare 17 to 21 you absolute moron
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
It's so weak and so nid, yet you people will still tune in to watch in hope of shapo winning, despite being so weak. Then if he starts losing, you will trash him and call him a mug :-D :-D so predictable. If the draw is so nid and bad and we already know the winner, then please don't watch the match. I beg you. What's the point if you already know the result?
 

bnjkn

Professional
What matters is the level reached by the champion, not the level of his opponents. The title doesn't have to be validated by hypothetical ATGs. This version of Djokovic would contend against any version of the other ATGs. I know I can't prove this, but we can't prove that the era is weak either.
 

TheAssassin

G.O.A.T.
That’s because if your not ignorant- Federer beat-
Dimitrov round 4: Wimeldon semi finalist
Raonic quarters: Wimbledon finalist
Berdych semis: Wimbledon finalist and multiple semi finalist
Cilic final: Wimbledon finalist, and top 5 on grass at the time!
Do not compare 17 to 21 you absolute moron
"Cilic final: Wimbledon finalist"

Well that's just brilliant defense of the draw lol...
 
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MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
It's so weak and so nid, yet you people will still tune in to watch in hope of shapo winning, despite being so weak. Then if he starts losing, you will trash him and call him a mug :-D :-D so predictable. If the draw is so nid and bad and we already know the winner, then please don't watch the match. I beg you. What's the point if you already know the result?

Lol, nope.
 
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OhYes

Guest
1st round: Djokovic vs Draper 1/100
2nd round: Djokovic vs anderson 1/20
3rd round:Djokovic vs kudla 1/50
4th round: Djokovic vs garin 1/50
Quarters: Djokovic vs fucsovics 1/50
Semis: Djokovic vs Shapovalov 1/18

LOL
Weak era, the weakest era, the weakest slam run of all time.
Djokervic, Luckovic
Choke on this Wimbledon Salty :happydevil:
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
I'll reserve my judgement on this until the matches are played. Maybe Shapo and Hurkacz/Berrettini will give Novak tough matches. If they don't, it's a colossally weak draw.

Nevertheless, it's incredible how easy Djokovic is having this Wimb compared to Fed in 2015. Disgust.
 
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OhYes

Guest
Oh and btw, this weak Wimby seems to be too tough for Federer. And Nadal wasn't available so what's the problem ?
 

Patogen

Rookie
Fed fans vehemently nodding should realize that Fed couldn't get past the QF of a 250 event after barely making it through the first round then.
 

Patogen

Rookie
Oh and btw, this weak Wimby seems to be too tough for Federer. And Nadal wasn't available so what's the problem ?

Beat me to it. Fed fans are a strange breed. Diminishing (not even fulfilled) accomplishments of others won't make their man appear more majestic. Quite the opposite, especially in this case.
 
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OhYes

Guest
Beat me to it. Fed fans are a strange breed. Diminishing (not even fulfilled) accomplishments of others won't make their man appear more majestic. Quite the opposite, especially in this case.
True. If only their fav could play until his 80th birthday and win 20-30 more, but guess this weak era tour is just too much for him.
 

Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
What matters is the level reached by the champion, not the level of his opponents. The title doesn't have to be validated by hypothetical ATGs. This version of Djokovic would contend against any version of the other ATGs.

Djoker 2021 is better than Djoker 2011-2012.
:unsure:
 

TJfederer16

Hall of Fame
Fed fans vehemently nodding should realize that Fed couldn't get past the QF of a 250 event after barely making it through the first round then.

What on earth are you talking about? Federer just making it through 5 best of 3 matches was a surprise. Talking about Rogers competition at this years championships in his situation considering all the issues and time out is completely irrevalent. If Roger was in great form, free of injuries and played a consistent schedule then we could talk about comparisons between Novak's draw and Roger's draw.
 
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