Can we have an era worse than 2020-2023 where Finalists are Casper Ruud, Berettini, Kyrgios , Stefanos ?

[vive le beau jeu !]

may sound unlikely after the biblical mugshow we witnessed in the last years, but you know what they say...

Spoiler: new mugs always find a way to reach new lows...

 

[BauerAlmeida]

This is incredibly misleading.

Murray was a non factor post back surgery and didn’t reach Djokovic on grass once since 2013.

Murray was not a factor post back surgery ?!?!?!?!? He was #1 in 2016 and 2017, he was a factor until mid-2017 so he was a rival to Djokovic most of his career.

Nadal was past his prime after 2014 RG and from 2015-2023 you can count on one hand the amount of times he was a legit contender vs djokovic - 2018 W, 2020 RG, 2022 Rg and arguably 21 RG where he was injured. That’s still 15 slams Djokovic hoarded since 2015 with no ATG level opponent in sight.

Who cares if he is "past his prime" or not. He won EIGHT slams after 2014 RG. That's 3 fewer than half his total. And what about AO 2019? Or it doesn't count because Djokovic won convincingly? Should he have dropped a few more games or a set for it to count? And if Nadal loses early it is Djokovic's fault? Djokovic was not past his prime most of this period since he is only one year younger than Nadal? Why can Djokovic win past his prime and Nadal cannot? We discount Federer's wins over Nadal at the AO 2017 and Wimbledon 2019 since Nadal was past his prime? How many slams did Federer win then beating ATG if "past his prime" doesn't count? Because if past his prime doesn't count then before your prime doesn't count either? What are the slams Federer won beating ATGs in their prime? Nadal was a top player until 2022. He won multiple slams that year and almost finishes #1. Last year yes, he wasn't around. If he was not in his prime it's not Djokovic's fault. Not to mention that's ignores he won a huge chunk of his slams in that period.

 

[Silentchimera]

Djokovic pretty much won his last 12 slams vs 90s gen + ancient Federer and post prime Nadal.

Federer lost to Tsitsipas aged 37. 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2016, 2017, 2018 AO forms doesn’t lost there in a million years. He also had 15+ average to high level runs in his 30s and was stopped by some very good players. Of course he has a few bad defeats but they’re irrelevant in the overall picture.

The list of quality players with an age advantage born 5 years after Djokovic is very short and disappointing lol. Federer played them all anyway at an even older age so it’s a moot point. Djokovic played the quality players up to 5 years younger than him with an age advantage and Federer played those same guys with an age disadvantage. Like I said, it's done and dusted at this point...

 

[NeutralFan]

The list of quality players born 5 years after Djokovic is very short and disappointing lol. Federer played them all anyway at an older age lol.

Tough to argue against this.

 

[mattennis]

Can we imagine an era worse than this where Casper Ruud makes multiple finals, Stef makes multiple finals , Kyrgios and Berettini makes final? That too in span of 4 years .so out of 16 slams we had these clowns making 7 finals and then add Meddy to the mix, Albiet 2 tiers above them but not an ATG making 4 finals. That's total of 11 finals and then add Z and theim lol.

It was really bad, yes, I'm not going to deny it.

 

[BauerAlmeida]

Djokovic pretty much won his last 12 slams vs 90s gen + ancient Federer and post prime Nadal.

Nadal is only one year in age apart from Djokovic, so this "post-prime" nonsense doesn't apply. He didn't win 12 slams vs 90s gen. In his 2018 slams he beat Nadal and del Potro. In 2019 Nadal and Federer. In 2020 he beat Thiem who had beaten Nadal, not his problem if Nadal loses early against one of the supposed 90s gen mugs. In 2021 he beat Nadal in RG and at the AO, again, Nadal lost to one of the supposed 90s mugs. In 2022 and 2023 he started beating the 2000s players like Sinner and Alcaraz, but I suppose those are mugs too.

Federer lost to Tsitsipas aged 37. 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2016, 2017, 2018 AO forms doesn’t lost there in a million years. He also had 15+ average to high level runs in his 30s and was stopped by some very good players. Of course he has a few bad defeats but they’re irrelevant in the overall picture.

He had more bad defeats than Djokovic, since the USO 2014 Djokovic hardly has had a bad defeat outside the Wimbledon 2016-RG 2018 period.

 

[NeutralFan]

It was really bad, yes, I'm not going to deny it.

Vote

 

[Silentchimera]

Tough to argue against this.

I am bad for doing this but I edited my post to add a bit more detail.

 

[BauerAlmeida]

Years without any prime ATG level opponents:

Federer - arguably 2003/2004

Djokovic - 2015, 2016, 2021, 2022, 2023

2001-2002 don’t count for Federer as 1 he was pre prime and 2 Pete and Agassi were still knocking around. 2005-2006 doesn’t count as nadal was there on clay and from 2007 grass. 2017-2020 are excluded thanks to excellent clay showings from Nadal.

It’s clear to see Djokovic benefitted the most from poor competition.

This is hilarious. In 2015-2016 Djokovic had to face Murray, Federer and Wawrinka but it was weak competition. Federer doesn't count apparently because he was old. But Agassi counts as rival for Federer. And Nadal in 2021 and 2022 doesn't count as a rival for Djokovic.

Now do the other way around, don't focus on when they faced weak competition, focus on when they faced strong, which is what matters. Even if Djokovic won more than Federer vs weak competition, it doesn't change the fact he also won more vs strong competition.

 

[NeutralFan]

I am bad for doing this but I edited my post to add a bit more detail.

Do you think Sinner and Carlos entering their prime will make post 2023 era stronger than 2020-2023? With Djokovic going slamless

 

[fedfan24]

Murray was not a factor post back surgery ?!?!?!?!? He was #1 in 2016 and 2017, he was a factor until mid-2017 so he was a rival to Djokovic most of his career.




Who cares if he is "past his prime" or not. He won EIGHT slams after 2014 RG. That's 3 fewer than half his total. And what about AO 2019? Or it doesn't count because Djokovic won convincingly? Should he have dropped a few more games or a set for it to count? And if Nadal loses early it is Djokovic's fault? Djokovic was not past his prime most of this period since he is only one year younger than Nadal? Why can Djokovic win past his prime and Nadal cannot? We discount Federer's wins over Nadal at the AO 2017 and Wimbledon 2019 since Nadal was past his prime? How many slams did Federer win then beating ATG if "past his prime" doesn't count? Because if past his prime doesn't count then before your prime doesn't count either? What are the slams Federer won beating ATGs in their prime? Nadal was a top player until 2022. He won multiple slams that year and almost finishes #1. Last year yes, he wasn't around. If he was not in his prime it's not Djokovic's fault. Not to mention that's ignores he won a huge chunk of his slams in that period.

Murray wasn’t a threat at slams vs djokovic post 2013. They played 0 times on grass.

2019 AO final was a beat down. Nadal’s true level was exposed in the final.

Djokovic had won 17 slams since 2015 and only a handful had some legit top end competition.

 

[RF-18]

It's a great generation just that they got stopped by the greatest player ever.

 

[fedfan24]

This is hilarious. In 2015-2016 Djokovic had to face Murray, Federer and Wawrinka but it was weak competition. Federer doesn't count apparently because he was old. But Agassi counts as rival for Federer. And Nadal in 2021 and 2022 doesn't count as a rival for Djokovic.

Now do the other way around, don't focus on when they faced weak competition, focus on when they faced strong, which is what matters. Even if Djokovic won more than Federer vs weak competition, it doesn't change the fact he also won more vs strong competition.

Yes exactly. Federer barely made a dent, playing well for 2 sets at best. Murray was an auto win and Stan is not an ATG no matter how you spin it.

Federer had a couple of years without any ATGs before nadal showed up. Djokovic has had like 7-8 since 2015.

 

[NeutralFan]

Murray wasn’t a threat at slams vs djokovic post 2013. They played 0 times on grass.

2019 AO final was a beat down. Nadal’s true level was exposed in the final.

Djokovic had won 17 slams since 2015 and only a handful had some legit top end competition.

Problem is not with Djokovic winning 17 slams post 2015, problem is he won merely 7 slams before it, if he was that good to win 17 slams post 28 then what stopped him from winning even 10 before 2015? That's my point and a very valid one.

 

[RS]

Good fight once again.

Next goal is get you doing hypothetical matches OP.

 

[Silentchimera]

Do you think Sinner and Carlos entering their prime will make post 2023 era stronger than 2020-2023? With Djokovic going slamless

I think Alcaraz and Sinner have shown they are on a totally different level then 90s gen at this point but they need to keep beating old Djokovic to prove themselves further. It is definitely much stronger now they are hitting their prime. I'm really hoping Alcaraz will recover from his ankle injury quickly and start winning again as soon as possible.

 

[RF-18]

Tsitsipas has 2-1 lead combined vs Fedal in slams. They aren't good enough plain and simple.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Tsitsipas has 2-1 lead combined vs Fedal in slams. They aren't good enough plain and simple.

Fed was older than how Djokovic is today. That is beside the pt.

 

[AO13]

Thanks for pointing out my typo, son! You're a genius, wish someone gives you a medal .

Uh oh, someone's edgy.

 

[RF-18]

Fed was older than how Djokovic is today. That is beside the pt.

Federer reached Wimbledon final 6 months later.

 

[BauerAlmeida]

Problem is not with Djokovic winning 17 slams post 2015, problem is he won merely 7 slams before it, if he was that good to win 17 slams post 28 then what stopped him from winning even 10 before 2015? That's my point and a very valid one.

Before 2011 he was not that good. In 2011 he dominated. In 2012-2014 he won one slam per year in a competition that included Federer, Nadal, Murray, Wawrinka, Tsonga, Berdych, Ferrer, Soderling, del Potro, etc. Who won more during that period? Only Nadal and it was ONE more slam but with no YECs.

Nadal also had one-slam years in 2011, 2012, 2009 and 2014 during his prime (and you can include 2007 too).

A valid point is also Federer winning one slam between AO 2010 and AO 2017.

 

[Mainad]

Murray was a non factor post back surgery and didn’t reach Djokovic on grass once since 2013.

Non-factor post back surgery? Since that happened (end of 2013) he won another Slam, a WTF, an Olympics, 5 more Masters and became world #1! Those are SOME non-factors!!!

Plus I think you will find it was Djokovic who failed to reach Murray at 2016 Wimbledon.

 

[Silentchimera]

deleted

 

[nolefam_2024]

Federer reached Wimbledon final 6 months later.

Yes but Wimbledon is grass. Fed would smoke tsitsipas at Wimbledon in 2019.

 

[NeutralFan]

Before 2011 he was not that good. In 2011 he dominated. In 2012-2014 he won one slam per year in a competition that included Federer, Nadal, Murray, Wawrinka, Tsonga, Berdych, Ferrer, Soderling, del Potro, etc. Who won more during that period? Only Nadal and it was ONE more slam but with no YECs.

Nadal also had one-slam years in 2011, 2012, 2009 and 2014 during his prime (and you can include 2007 too).

A valid point is also Federer winning one slam between AO 2010 and AO 2017.

Okay so he wasn't good enough to win more than 7 slams and had just one multi slam season before 2015, what hanged post 2015?? Anyone can tell me?

 

[nolefam_2024]

Nole is still world number 1. Fed was already number 3 in 2019 AO and he was firmly behind Rafole. After AO Rotterdam maybe he won Basel or maybe he didn't. But he might have won some small tournament like Stuttgart. That's it. 2019 AO fed was pretty old and last legs. He would be like Nole next year in AO and actually worse because Nole didn't have knee surgeries and was never stopped physically.
Tsitsipas did beat this fed but it's not same as beating a Federer just 2 years probably.

I think Fed's last great year is 2019 but then tsitsipas beat him right on the last legs of his greatness. If that is the only evidence then it's pretty bad.

Tsitsipas also has embarrassing five set losses like the one vs Wawrinka in RG who beat him in five then lost to fed in four.

 

[BauerAlmeida]

Murray wasn’t a threat at slams vs djokovic post 2013. They played 0 times on grass.

Djokovic was constantly going deep on grass, not his problem if he loses earlier. If Djokovic was playing too good for Murray to be a threat it's not his problem.

How many players were threats to Federer at slams outside RG during his peak? Is that his problem? That's just circular reasoning.

2019 AO final was a beat down. Nadal’s true level was exposed in the final.

Again, circular reasoning.

Djokovic had won 17 slams since 2015 and only a handful had some legit top end competition.

Many of them before 2023 had top competition.

If you win 24 slams obviously a few will have some weak draws.

 

[Third Serve]

Tsitsipas has 2-1 lead combined vs Fedal in slams. They aren't good enough plain and simple.

troll comment

 

[fedfan24]

He didn't win 12 slams vs 90s gen.

2020 AO
2021 AO
2021 RG
2021 W
2022 W
2023 AO
2023 RG
2023 USO

8 /12 vs 90s gen. All weak apart from 1-2.

Non-factor post back surgery? Since that happened (end of 2013) he won another Slam, a WTF, an Olympics, 5 more Masters and became world #1! Those are SOME non-factors!!!

Plus I think you will find it was Djokovic who failed to reach Murray at 2016 Wimbledon.

non factor vs Djokovic yes.

 

[fedfan24]

Before 2011 he was not that good. In 2011 he dominated. In 2012-2014 he won one slam per year in a competition that included Federer, Nadal, Murray, Wawrinka, Tsonga, Berdych, Ferrer, Soderling, del Potro, etc. Who won more during that period? Only Nadal and it was ONE more slam but with no YECs.

Nadal also had one-slam years in 2011, 2012, 2009 and 2014 during his prime (and you can include 2007 too).

A valid point is also Federer winning one slam between AO 2010 and AO 2017.

Essentially he wasn’t good enough to dominate in his prime years and needed the competition to soften. He wasn’t quite as good as Federer was.

 

[NeutralFan]

Good fight once again.

Next goal is get you doing hypothetical matches OP.

I didn't know it would become another Fed fans vs Nole fans debate lol. I just wanted to know if 2020-2023 is really the weakest in history?

 

[Mainad]

2020 AO
2021 AO
2021 RG
2021 W
2022 W
2023 AO
2023 RG
2023 USO

8 /12 vs 90s gen. All weak apart from 1-2.

non factor vs Djokovic yes.

Well, let's see. Beat Djokovic in the finals of 2015 Canada, 2016 Rome, 2016 WTF and beat him for the #1 ranking. Now that's SOME non-factor!

 

[NeutralFan]

Ruud gets no love here. Agree he played well in these tournaments and deserves better feedback. Hard working pro.

No mugs should get any love on this forum.

 

[BauerAlmeida]

Okay so he wasn't good enough to win more than 7 slams and had just one multi slam season before 2015, what hanged post 2015?? Anyone can tell me?

It's hilarious how you lump all post-2015 and pre-2015 together as if every year is the same lol. I already gave you a detailed explanation as to before 2015 and you still come up with this oNlY seVeN slAmS bEfOrE 2015. As if that was bad anyway. Of course, the line is drawn at 2015 right before he won 5 out of 6 slams, for some reason.

From 2011 to 2014 he won 6. Given that's a four-year period and 2015-2023 is a 9-year period it's pretty logical he'll win more, we are talking about a more than double of years. And he won one slam in 2020, and one slam in 2022 and zero in 2017, so it's not like he was dominating every year in that period. Players have up and downs. You don't win on a line. Why did Wawrinka win zero before 2014 and 3 from 2014 to 2017?

But you don't seem to ask why Federer won ONE from AO 2010 to AO 2017? Or why Nadal won 8 outside Roland Garros in his whole career? You can ask questions about any player.

 

[fedfan24]

Well, let's see. Beat Djokovic in the finals of 2015 Canada, 2016 Rome, 2016 WTF and beat him for the #1 ranking. Now that's SOME non-factor!

In BO3 of course he did very well but wasn’t a factor in slams sadly

 

[3loudboys]

No mugs should get any love on this forum.

But he’s not a mug lol

 

[NeutralFan]

But he’s not a mug lol

If he plays like a mug, choke like a mug and lose every slam final like a mug then he's a mug.

He couldn't win a single masters 1000 in this joke of an era then he's a certified mug lol who mugged his way into 3 slam finals.

 

[fedfan24]

It's hilarious how you lump all post-2015 and pre-2015 together as if every year is the same lol. I already gave you a detailed explanation as to before 2015 and you still come up with this oNlY seVeN slAmS bEfOrE 2015. As if that was bad anyway. Of course, the line is drawn at 2015 right before he won 5 out of 6 slams, for some reason.

From 2011 to 2014 he won 6. Given that's a four-year period and 2015-2023 is a 9-year period it's pretty logical he'll win more, we are talking about a more than double of years. And he won one slam in 2020, and one slam in 2022 and zero in 2017, so it's not like he was dominating every year in that period. Players have up and downs. You don't win on a line. Why did Wawrinka win zero before 2014 and 3 from 2014 to 2017?

But you don't seem to ask why Federer won ONE from AO 2010 to AO 2017? Or why Nadal won 8 outside Roland Garros in his whole career? You can ask questions about any player.

I think pre and post 2015 makes sense. Nadal’s prime ended after 14 RG. Federer’s last prime ish year was 2012. Murray wasn’t a threat at slams post back surgery. The weak times started post 2015 and he’s pretty much continuously dominated apart from the injured 17-mid 18 and covid shenanigans in 2020 and 2022.

Federer won 1 slam from 2010 RG - 2016 W due to a variety of reasons. Main one being incredibly difficult peak competition (lost 11 times to prime/peak djokodal), 2nd being missed some winnable chances such as 2011 W, 2012/2014 USO and 3rd being injuries and loss of form (2013 + 2016).

 

[BauerAlmeida]

Essentially he wasn’t good enough to dominate in his prime years and needed the competition to soften. He wasn’t quite as good as Federer was.

Federer couldn't win as much from AO 2010 to AO 2017, he wasn't good enough to win, let alone dominate, and needed the competition to be soft as before. He wasn't quite as good as Djokovic was.

 

[NoleFam]

It's supposedly the weakest era in history, yet your favorite had a 15-12 (55.6%) record against the top 10. There are 3 players during that time that have a better win rate while playing the top 10 much more. If it was so weak, why didn't he do better against mug players?

 

[fedfan24]

Federer couldn't win as much from AO 2010 to AO 2017, he wasn't good enough to win, let alone dominate, and needed the competition to be soft as before. He wasn't quite as good as Djokovic was.

No, he wasn’t good enough aged 29-35 to consistently defeat 23-28 years old Nadal / Djokovic. He either needed softer competition or to be at his very best. He certainly was as good as Djokovic at many events in his 30s and on aggregate better at more events in his 20s.

 

[mike danny]

Yes...

Juan Carlos Ferrero, Martin Verkerk, Rainer Schüttler, Mark Philippoussis, Gastón Gaudio, Guillermo Coria, Mariano Puerta, Marcos Baghdatis, Fernando González

Guess the years...

Ferrero and Coria don't belong in that list, especially Ferrero.

Phillippoussis > guys like Berrettini and Ruud

And Baghdatis and Gonzalez only reached 1 final each as opposed to 3 for Ruud and 2 for Anderson in this one.

 

[3loudboys]

If he plays like a mug, choke like a mug and lose every slam final like a mug then he's a mug.

You are very harsh on him ... he is a very good pro who is labelled by throw away names like mug because he didn't beat the big 3 and dominate those at his level. Mostly nobody did up until now with Fed retired, Nadal injured and Novak starting to creak with age. Substitute Mug with Top Pro whose made the most of his talent ... we good Sonshine ... see what I did there

 

[NeutralFan]

It's hilarious how you lump all post-2015 and pre-2015 together as if every year is the same lol. I already gave you a detailed explanation as to before 2015 and you still come up with this oNlY seVeN slAmS bEfOrE 2015. As if that was bad anyway. Of course, the line is drawn at 2015 right before he won 5 out of 6 slams, for some reason.

From 2011 to 2014 he won 6. Given that's a four-year period and 2015-2023 is a 9-year period it's pretty logical he'll win more, we are talking about a more than double of years. And he won one slam in 2020, and one slam in 2022 and zero in 2017, so it's not like he was dominating every year in that period. Players have up and downs. You don't win on a line. Why did Wawrinka win zero before 2014 and 3 from 2014 to 2017?

But you don't seem to ask why Federer won ONE from AO 2010 to AO 2017? Or why Nadal won 8 outside Roland Garros in his whole career? You can ask questions about any player.

Okay let's discount pre 2011 for your liking and take 2011-2014 even though he was in his physical peak way before 2011. Answer me one thing


Why he had only one multi slam year in 4 years when a player is supposed to be in his peak and why freaking 3 slams a season and many multiple slams season post 2014 ?? That's point out something changed drastically and no he didn't become a better player .

 

[NeutralFan]

Ferrero and Coria don't belong in that list, especially Ferrero.

Phillippoussis > guys like Berrettini and Ruud

And Baghdatis and Gonzalez only reached 1 final each as opposed to 3 for Ruud and 2 for Anderson in this one.

Stef made two and he's not better than Coria or Ferrero

 

[mike danny]

Before 2011 he was not that good. In 2011 he dominated. In 2012-2014 he won one slam per year in a competition that included Federer, Nadal, Murray, Wawrinka, Tsonga, Berdych, Ferrer, Soderling, del Potro, etc. Who won more during that period? Only Nadal and it was ONE more slam but with no YECs.

Nadal also had one-slam years in 2011, 2012, 2009 and 2014 during his prime (and you can include 2007 too).

A valid point is also Federer winning one slam between AO 2010 and AO 2017.

Which was not great for his standards. I can easily see Fed do better than that.

 

[NeutralFan]

You are very harsh on him ... he is a very good pro who is labelled by throw away names like mug because he didn't beat the big 3 and dominate those at his level. Mostly nobody did up until now with Fed retired, Nadal injured and Novak starting to creak with age. Substitute Mug with Top Pro whose made the most of his talent ... we good Sonshine ... see what I did there

You are very harsh on him ... he is a very good pro who is labelled by throw away names like mug because he didn't beat the big 3 and dominate those at his level. Mostly nobody did up until now with Fed retired, Nadal injured and Novak starting to creak with age. Substitute Mug with Top Pro whose made the most of his talent ... we good Sonshine ... see what I did there

My point is not him losing to old Djokodal in final but him losing very badly in final and unable to win even a single set, that's very mugesque if you ask me. He's a hard working player but a mug.

 

[fedfan24]

You are very harsh on him ... he is a very good pro who is labelled by throw away names like mug because he didn't beat the big 3 and dominate those at his level. Mostly nobody did up until now with Fed retired, Nadal injured and Novak starting to creak with age. Substitute Mug with Top Pro whose made the most of his talent ... we good Sonshine ... see what I did there

You could’ve put a cardboard cutout on the other side of the court and the finals would play out the same. He’s basically a walkover for any half decent ATG playing their C+ game. No weapons, not a great serve.

 

[mike danny]

And? 90s generation was not Djokovic's main competition for a long time, only a very brief period. Federer had NO ATG being born for 10 years before him and for 5 years after him. Djokovic had an ATG being born basically at the same time as him and one 6 years before. Though the first sentence here is pretty ironic because that is what people try to do to diminish Djokovic's current competition lol, just dropping names.

And who benefitted more in the end? Djokovic or Federer? And don't forget that only 3 of Djokovic's last 18 slams have come against Nadal despite being the same age as him. Just because they're the same age doesn't mean their rivalry hasn't been scarce after 2013/2014.

And don't forget how no ATG was born at least 14 years after Djokovic.

Yes, Djokovic didn't have to face Nadal and Murray during his whole career who are the same age as him. Nadal was a top player until 2022, only last year Djokovic finally had a a year with no ATG around. Federer had more.

Did he now? He had Agassi in 2003-2005 and Nadal from 2005 and Djokovic from 2007.

Federer in his mid-30s was losing to the kind of players that Djokovic would get mocked for winning slams against. Cilic, Seppi, Gulbis, Raonic, Millman, TSITSIPAS. And that's excluding 2013, and not playing RG for three straight years.

The Raonic loss was in 2016 and we know the story about that one.

I don't see how the Cilic loss was bad when Djokovic lost to Nishikori that same tournament.

Millman and Tsitsipas came after Djokovic's current age. Let's wait and see how his season unfolds first.

Federer had tougher competition post-prime. Djokovic had tougher competition in his prime and pre-prime.

Djokovic's competition was tougher in his prime, but overblown in some instances. USO 2012, Wimb 2013, AO 2014 and USO 2014 were all winnable and he won none.

Also I disagree with Djokovic's competition in 2014-2016 being tougher than Federer's.

 

[BauerAlmeida]

2020 AO

Thiem playing great.

2021 AO

Medvedev had a great run and people were giving him huge odds of winning. And he is obviously not a bad player.

2021 RG

Bringing up a slam where he beat Nadal at Roland Garros lol.

2021 W

Weakish draw, yeah

2022 W

Kyrgios playing great, beat Sinner too.

2023 AO

Not a great draw but not too bad either and had some great performances.

2023 RG

Alcaraz.

2023 USO

Medvedev having a great run and a great year.

8 /12 vs 90s gen. All weak apart from 1-2.

I'm sure Federer's and Nadal's 20/22 slams were facing ATGs...

non factor vs Djokovic yes.

Poor Djokovic, what a fool. Should have dropped some sets on purpose to make the competition better.