Can you beat this girl?

FailBetter

Semi-Pro
So a 5.5 female player can play in ITF tournaments? I thought you would need to be at a higher level for that.
Yeah I dont know I think she was a 5.5 last time I checked. She played some Matches in Switzerland last Summer I think.
Her father is quite rich.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jürg_Marquard.
I dont know how close they are but he may get her in some tournaments^^$$$

ps:
audrey is born in a triplet
 

FiReFTW

Legend
On myutr she has matches in 2017 against around utr11 and a bit higher women and gets easily beaten 6:1 6:0 and such.

Not sure how strong utr11 is but i think top wta level is utr 13, and at utr12 are weaker wta players.
 
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Deleted member 23235

Guest
Well yea but 4.0 vs 4.5 is a huge difference as is 4.5 vs 5.0, the difference is so huge i would bet the higher ntrp would most likely bagel the lower player easily on average.

I wonder what j011y and nytennisaddict think about their chances.

Im pretty sure this girl would bagel me atm :D
interestly there was a girl at the utr tourney i played, that hit like this girl.
she was crushing everything flat and hard and deep.
my buddy (similar 4.5 level to me) was playing her, he was worried, but excited about the challenge.
he tried playing his normal (bashing) baseline game. he quickly went down 3-0.
he started drop shotting, slicing, moonballing, etc... (anything but the hard shot that the girl returned with interest)... until he got a short ball, then attacked as normal..
ended up winning 6-3, 6-0

moral of the story, is you can't judge someone just by watching vids.
in general this girl is clearly trained, has weapons, therefore i would treat playing her like any other good player i play.

OP what point are you trying to make?
 

FiReFTW

Legend
I'm just curious.;)
Unfortunately for you, its purely speculative.

The only way for your curiousity to be satisfied is to actually see her play someone here.

Considering shes a bit younger than me, looks damn good :oops: and is a tennis player, I recommend miself:D

Now go on Curious, get going organizing a match between us :p
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
interestly there was a girl at the utr tourney i played, that hit like this girl.
she was crushing everything flat and hard and deep.
my buddy (similar 4.5 level to me) was playing her, he was worried, but excited about the challenge.
he tried playing his normal (bashing) baseline game. he quickly went down 3-0.
he started drop shotting, slicing, moonballing, etc... (anything but the hard shot that the girl returned with interest)... until he got a short ball, then attacked as normal..
ended up winning 6-3, 6-0

moral of the story, is you can't judge someone just by watching vids.
in general this girl is clearly trained, has weapons, therefore i would treat playing her like any other good player i play.

OP what point are you trying to make?
"moral of the story, is you can't judge someone just by watching vids."

this ... even harder with guy with really good wheels. I went back to my high school when I was mid-20s and played the current female state champion. Other than serve and foot speed (probably overheads), she was better than me in every area. I won in straight sets. If the female can manage ros, and she is better from the baseline ... she will most likely overcome any court coverage difference. If the lower level male doesn't have a good serve or s&v ... don't play her. :D
 

Curious

Legend
"moral of the story, is you can't judge someone just by watching vids."

this ... even harder with guy with really good wheels. I went back to my high school when I was mid-20s and played the current female state champion. Other than serve and foot speed (probably overheads), she was better than me in every area. I won in straight sets. If the female can manage ros, and she is better from the baseline ... she will most likely overcome any court coverage difference. If the lower level male doesn't have a good serve or s&v ... don't play her. :D
The guy's serves in the video are not just puffballs and the girl returns them with authority. I think there is an underestimation of her ROS just like her serve which looks pretty good to me.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
The guy's serves in the video are not just puffballs and the girl returns them with authority. I think there is an underestimation of her ROS just like her serve which looks pretty good to me.
I didn't watch much of the video ... just commenting in general about a guy with good wheels playing a female with superior baseline skills. In singles ... foot speed difference is major, but if you are the one doing all the running didn't help much.
 

atp2015

Hall of Fame
interestly there was a girl at the utr tourney i played, that hit like this girl.
she was crushing everything flat and hard and deep.
my buddy (similar 4.5 level to me) was playing her, he was worried, but excited about the challenge.
he tried playing his normal (bashing) baseline game. he quickly went down 3-0.
he started drop shotting, slicing, moonballing, etc... (anything but the hard shot that the girl returned with interest)... until he got a short ball, then attacked as normal..
ended up winning 6-3, 6-0

moral of the story, is you can't judge someone just by watching vids.
in general this girl is clearly trained, has weapons, therefore i would treat playing her like any other good player i play.

OP what point are you trying to make?
Singles match?
Men play women in Utr tournament?
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
The guy's serves in the video are not just puffballs and the girl returns them with authority. I think there is an underestimation of her ROS just like her serve which looks pretty good to me.
Watched her play ... fun to watch anyone hit that cleanly. My guess is avg 4.5 would not find advantage against her ros or serve. The best chance will be foot speed difference, and avoiding baseline strike zone to strike zone (she is going to win that). Make her move, see if she can pass, force her forward. She has finishing pace on a neutral ball ... that's a problem. :eek:
 
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Deleted member 23235

Guest
Singles match?
Men play women in Utr tournament?
yes utr matches allow all ages and genders and tries to match up similar utr levels in the early rounds, and consolation rounds.


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MyFearHand

Rookie
It's really hard to say from a video. But I like my chances if I play to break her rhythm. Staying at the baseline would be a nightmare, but if I mixed in a lot of dropshots, serve and volley and rip and charge I imagine her consistency would drop quite a bit.
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
Yeah I have a feeling you're completely off! I have seen 12 year old junior girls beating really good male players like 4.0 level!!
Thanks for posting her videos. Nice to see decent hitting. And 2 interesting venues.

But why did you bring up the accomplished 12 yr old girl vs weekend hack (sorry 4.0’s)? Total strawman. Let’s see: 12 yr old girl from rich family; extensive coaching and probably 20+ hrs hitting every week; plays tournaments often. 4.0: works, has wife and kids and bills; took a few lessons but was looking at skirts on the adjacent court most of the time; never practices/drills; shows up at courts Saturday and Sunday, stretches for 45 seconds, starts hitting; goes for low % winners when forced to move at all.
 
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Keendog

Professional
0-6 0-6 for sure. My reasoning is not blurred by sexism.
Now now don't pull out that card. You could post a video of anyone here and all everyone would say is 1. They have all these faults in their game and 2. They could probably beat them. Heck you could dress Federer in Shroud's kit and post a hitting video anonymously and people will still say he's a 4.5. Gender has nothing to do with the cynicism of this board
 

TennisCJC

Legend
She would beat male 4.5s easily. 5.0 would probably beat her, 5.5 would easily beat her.
I think you are correct about 5.0 and 5.5 but I think the top 4.5 players would also play her competitively and win some matches. There are quite a few ex-college players that play 4.5 and I think they have a good shot. I think she would play competitively with the top 10% of 4.5 level.

I am an old guy now and she would beat me straight sets. I would get some games but that's about it.
 

2good4U

Professional
Ok then. Here is the serve and some point play. Looks bloody good to me.

Lowers her stance well and hits the ball nice and early,
the hallmarks of a good player.

If we played it would be close, and I'd want to be well practiced.
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
Watched her play ... fun to watch anyone hit that cleanly. My guess is avg 4.5 would not find advantage against her ros or serve. The best chance will be foot speed difference, and avoiding baseline strike zone to strike zone (she is going to win that). Make her move, see if she can pass, force her forward. She has finishing pace on a neutral ball ... that's a problem. :eek:
Agree. I’m not saying these were rigged matches - but the guys were constantly putting their groundies in her height strike zone - thinking she’d be in big trouble - and start coughing up short balls to guys with FHs with big topspin.
 

JoelDali

Talk Tennis Guru
The top 4.0 in my section would beat this girl.

District champion level 4.5 would beat her as well.
 

USAFA10s

New User
Her serve is her biggest weakness.

It's not going to trouble any guy at 4.5 and above.

Her groundies won't look so aggressive once she's defending against tough serve returns.
Good 4.5 male player id say or higher would have alot of advantages in terms of serve and having much more topspin on their shots compared to her and ability to hit more angles compared to her flat power hits and trying to outhit people.
I suppose I missed the good qualifiers. But I highly doubt even a good 4.5 (an actual 4.5, not a 5.0 sandbagger-I think that's the general term), would be able to beat her. I don't usually get a tough match from most 4.5 guys I have played and am pretty even with most 5.0 guys, and she looks pretty even with me. Different playing style but all the hallmarks of an experienced player. A 4.5 is going to have some weakness that she can exploit.

She will be able to hit angles, she will be able to hit all kinds of spin, you don't get to that level without those skills
 
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J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
I suppose I missed the good qualifiers. But I highly doubt even a good 4.5 (an actual 4.5, not a 5.0 sandbagger-I think that's the general term), would be able to beat her. I don't usually get a tough match from most 4.5 guys I have played and am pretty even with most 5.0 guys, and she looks pretty even with me. Different playing style but all the hallmarks of an experienced player. A 4.5 is going to have some weakness that she can exploit.

She will be able to hit angles, she will be able to hit all kinds of spin, you don't get to that level without those skills
What's your UTR?

J
 

USAFA10s

New User
What's your UTR?
I haven't played much that got recorded (not a lot of opportunities in my area), but right now it says I'm a 9, which is probably about right, maybe a little low, but I have slowed down a bit since college. There aren't any 5.0 leagues, USTA won't let me sandbag in the 4.5s (for good reason), and the UTR tournaments around me keep getting cancelled due to low numbers
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
I haven't played much that got recorded (not a lot of opportunities in my area), but right now it says I'm a 9, which is probably about right, maybe a little low, but I have slowed down a bit since college. There aren't any 5.0 leagues, USTA won't let me sandbag in the 4.5s (for good reason), and the UTR tournaments around me keep getting cancelled due to low numbers
Cool, makes sense, most good 4.5 guys are 9ish, the better singles players are 10ish. Weaker 5.0s are 9ish and the better ones who should be 5.5 are 12-13.

As a 9 you would wreck the field in women's 4.5.

J
 

USAFA10s

New User
As a 9 you would wreck the field in women's 4.5.
That is what I have found, the only chance I get to play is a 4.5/5.0 non USTA interclub league in my area...and I haven't lost a match in 5 years, I think I dropped 1 set to another 5.0...Needless to say, if I could hit with the girl on this thread I'd be thrilled. I'm hoping ABQ New Mexico has a little more to offer when it comes to tennis.
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
That is what I have found, the only chance I get to play is a 4.5/5.0 non USTA interclub league in my area...and I haven't lost a match in 5 years, I think I dropped 1 set to another 5.0...Needless to say, if I could hit with the girl on this thread I'd be thrilled. I'm hoping ABQ New Mexico has a little more to offer when it comes to tennis.
Good luck! Sucks having nobody to play. That's why I'm hoping UTR events become more popular.

J
 

NLBwell

Legend
Her movement in the NYC video is strange. It's like she doesn't commit to her movement (she reaches when she could get all the way there). Anyone know if she has had significant injuries in the past? Also, her shots are somewhat slappy -- she hits very well, but again, it's like she isn't really committed to them.
To judge to level of the player, I was looking to figure out what level the coach was playing at. (I assume he's trying to play even with her.)
I'd say he was hitting 4.5 level shots, but his consistency is above 4.5 level.
It would be a rare 4.5 who would play even with her. Solid 5.0 would beat up on her.
As far as a man's serve, you might be surprised how well she returns serve unless it is placed very well.
 

USAFA10s

New User
Her movement in the NYC video is strange. It's like she doesn't commit to her movement (she reaches when she could get all the way there). Anyone know if she has had significant injuries in the past? Also, her shots are somewhat slappy -- she hits very well, but again, it's like she isn't really committed to them.
To judge to level of the player, I was looking to figure out what level the coach was playing at. (I assume he's trying to play even with her.)
I'd say he was hitting 4.5 level shots, but his consistency is above 4.5 level.
It would be a rare 4.5 who would play even with her. Solid 5.0 would beat up on her.
As far as a man's serve, you might be surprised how well she returns serve unless it is placed very well.
Not sure what you mean about movement unless you are referring to when she is moving forward. Occasionally she is a little late noticing it's short and doesn't quite get there in time to step in and really hit it and has to hit a safer shot, either slicing or lifting it a little more over the net. As for the other guy, they are doing a drill focused on her. I think it is something like 4 shots before the point starts, then she is supposed to go on offense trying to pull him off the court and look for a short ball, that's why you keep seeing her winning at the net, and it's also why when she pulls him off the court and then hits a winner on the 3rd ball (sorry no timestamp) she holds her hand up in apology. He could hit higher level shots, but she is working on her attack and he is helping by giving her that ball.
 

Big Bagel

Professional
I don't think I'd have much trouble against her. These days I adjust fairly quickly to flatter shots, although I still don't love going up against them. Her forehand looks sub-par though, so I'd attack that, and I think she'd struggle to hit around my 6'5" frame at the net with her flatter strokes. She has a solid return, strong footwork, solid backhand, but I have a big serve and am very comfortable with people trying to blast the ball at/through me.
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
I don't think I'd have much trouble against her. These days I adjust fairly quickly to flatter shots, although I still don't love going up against them. Her forehand looks sub-par though, so I'd attack that, and I think she'd struggle to hit around my 6'5" frame at the net with her flatter strokes. She has a solid return, strong footwork, solid backhand, but I have a big serve and am very comfortable with people trying to blast the ball at/through me.
What's your UTR?

J
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
I haven't played in a sanctioned tournament in way too long to have an official UTR, but a friend of mine estimated it at an 11 I think. 5.0 NTRP. Big serve, I like to come to net, one-handed backhand but sometimes a two-handed return or pickup shot.
Good stuff!

Your 5.0 league matches should be picked up by the UTR site. Worth a look even though league data is still sketchy.

J
 

Big Bagel

Professional
I haven't played in a league. Just graduated college in December and haven't gotten into a league since moving and being busy with my new job(s). I'm a part-time teaching pro on top of my 9-5 office job.
 

ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.
The real question is: What level male players can this girl beat 80-90% of the time? In other words what is this girl's male NTRP level?!
I posted a few vids of her a while back. She is solid and played D1 a few years back. In form she would be able to compete 5.0+ I would think.
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
We have a 14 year old girl in our club who is a top Canadian junior. She would be a step down from this girl but she can take an odd set off the 4.5 men at our club. So I'd suspect this woman would beat a lot of 4.5's but lose to a few better ones and get beat by all the 5.0 males. She'd also clean the clock of every female player at our club and win the club championship easily (since the 14 year old girl did last year at age 13)
 
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