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Get a 275g Babolat and you're proficient!drop the ball a few feet after it crosses the net in mini tennis using a fast swing with a lot of brushing
Get a 275g Babolat and you're proficient!drop the ball a few feet after it crosses the net in mini tennis using a fast swing with a lot of brushing
Agree. My opinion still is that I dont believe in its benefit in warm-up for a match but it can be used for fun and maybe to improve touch and feel.
MT during warm-up is almost an imperative for me....it's akin to stretching or hydrating before playing...I wouldn't think of not doing it. I hit with a decent amount of topspin and pace from the baseline, and the MT reminds me of all the little things I need to do to be successful playing my game style. I need to hit out front, move forward into shots, and brush up on the ball with varying degrees. MT allows me to "FEEL" those things when I'm doing it, thus hitting a nice little ball to the service box that kicks and dances. It essentially is a positive feedback loop that allows one to groove their stroke quickly, so that you're in that "pocket" when the real hitting starts from the baseline.
For me..it's all about feel with MT.
IMO the #1 reason folks can't do mini (given the have the right grip, and hit it decently from the baseline), is that they have no idea how to control their racquet drop (lag & snap - doesn't have to be big or exaggerated like sock's)... which for me, is the #1 reason i practice mini so religiously.
when you take a full groundie, big loop, alot of folks have that timing down... but they don't know how to condense it into a smaller loop
for me it's kinda like my "full baseline swing" is the equiv of pull the pinball plunger back all the way (which is what every noob pinball player does)...
but doing mini, is practice for being able to control the degree of plunger pullback (which most expert pinball players do)
anybody with a decent fh has some variation of racquet drop... it doesn't have to be a pronounced lag and snap (sock & kyrgios)You don't have to hit variations from baseline? ROS?
Also ... not everyone hits lag, snap, drop. If mini is atp flip fh specific ... that is fh discrimination.
Warning: had my coffee ... ready for battle.
anybody with a decent fh has some variation of racquet drop... it doesn't have to be a pronounced lag and snap (sock & kyrgios)
it could be more subtle (gilles simon)... or if you want to go old school, mcenroe. there's still a racquet drop - but mac keeps his racquet face more vertical and therefore no "flippy wrist thing" going on.
ironically, for non atp fh (mac), that don't have the extreme flip thing going on, it's MUCH easier to do mini, because you typically keep the face vertical, making it easier to hit (which is why alot of people switch to eastern or conti).
side note, i think mini is great for conti-grip half volley practice as well.
Why do you need to be "reminded"? How long have you played?
I've played 35 years, but I can get lazy and unfocused on the court at times, especially hitting with someone at a lower level...awesome huh? lol I need to remind myself of the simple things when my strokes feel "off" and MT seems to really help with that.
Oh ... another older guy with wisdom like me. I will now rate your opinions much higher.![]()
How do you know, maybe he has been playing since 3![]()
imo, mini tennis is the fastest way to see if someone understands how to hit with topspin or not. watching good players warm up with mini tennis is pretty impressive. so much brush, so little pace.
i thought mini tennis was played service line to service line. why would you need to stand back in no mans land?
For the same reason that a lot of people don't rally while standing on the BL but rather a few feet back: how well do you deal with a ball that lands on the line?
For the same reason that a lot of people don't rally while standing on the BL but rather a few feet back: how well do you deal with a ball that lands on the line?
A lot of good players out there, especially older generation, who never played mini tennis. So I would disagree with the blanket assertion that if you don't see the value in mini-tennis, you're not a good player. Then again a lot of the older guys hit more controlled strokes anyway and not massive topspin with pace which they need to control.
Also, the best player I've played against and this guy used to be a 5.0...now in his mid 40s..prob still a solid 4.5, but doesn't play tournaments anymore. The guy is the pure epitome of first strike tennis. Even warmups, he likes to do the opposite...blast balls at 200mph and then gradually get the balls in without sacrificing much racquet speed, as opposed to most who like to start with slow controlled swings and then work their way up to more pace. So that's another solid player, one who would beat about 95% of rec players, who scoffs at mini-tennis. I'm sure there are others like him.
Mini tennis “warmups” prior to playing full court by grownups makes no sense. It’s like (analogy censored).
Doesn't sound like a warmup to me...The high level players I've played can all rip the ball in mini tennis just about as hard as they can from the baseline. The short court rallies are just as competitive and intense as when we back up. Point is if you can't rip angles and display a full complement of skills in mini-tennis then their is something fundamentally wrong with your technique and strategy that you'd be better off addressing there than from the baseline.
there are levels of warmup...Doesn't sound like a warmup to me...
there are levels of warmup...
there's a couple guys i hit with that love mini...
so we start slow, as normal, but then we progressively take faster and faster heavy heavy topspin strokes (land ball in service box)... no outright drive, just focusin on heavy brush.
it's kinda fun, when you do it with someone that can.
it's really good for practicing sharp angle topspin shots to the T
and then we go back the baseline and bash.
Fixed it for you!so we start slow, as normal, but then we progressively take faster and faster heavy heavy topspin strokes (land ball in service box)... no outright drive, just focusin on heavy brush.
it's A LOT OF fun, when you do it with someone that can.
it's really good for practicing sharp angle topspin shots to the T
and then we go back the baseline and bash.
Doesn't sound like a warmup to me...
It is at our level. Is the implication that you need to hit slow to find your stroke? Or that a warm up entails no movement (I don't hit with guys that can't or refuse to move)? The only difference between mini "warm up" tennis and full court tennis should be the distance you have to travel to track down shots. If you're dinking or changing your grip in the warm-up you're doing something wrong.
mini is not for everyone, and some very good players i know hate mini... (but they can do it)..."Ripping angles" while standing at the service lines is a warmup? The cult of tennis gods who do these high velocity mini-tennis warm ups is a very selective bunch. I certainly don't see them going on at any major pro tournaments so it's REALLY selective.
The "inclination" of people on this forum to try to convince others of their superiority is truly magnificent. Especially when you say something as simple as " I don't think mini-tennis is a good use of warm up time." "You must just really SUCK to think mini-tennis isn't a good use of warm up time, 2.5 LOSER!!"
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No more coffee old manI had the weirdest dream last night. Sharapova and Ostapenko were playing mini tennis ... and they absolutely sucked at it. @mad dog1 was yelling at them that they had no fundamentals. @nytennisaddict told mad dog ... "yeah, I knew they would suck at mini by watching them hit their groundies". @Curious suggested that they both just play mini for 3 weeks ... first get a good mini ... and then do MANY Mini. @Pete Player said he could teach them, but they would have to wait until he got off his bag of ice and the meds. @Bender was taking a picture of Sharapova's butt. @J011yroger was with Bender ... and waved a can of tennis balls at Sharapova. When she looked at him, he held the can near his crotch ... winked at her and gave her the thumbs up. She was quite disgusted. @ChaelAZ was on the top row sitting by himself with his shirt off, taking a selfie while he rubbed his nipples. @Shroud was there in a black hoodie ... not paying too much attention. He was muttering that women know nothing about tennis strings. He had wrapped ZX around the umpires chair, and was stretching that ZX like a mad man. @S&V-not_dead_yet screamed at them (between mad dog screams) ... QUIT LETTING THE BALL BOUNCE ... DUH!!! @FiReFTW was talking with nyta ... and he thought Sharapova had a chance to make 5.0 in 5 years. @StringSnapper and @Dragy were smugly high-fiving each other ... saying this is exactly what you get without wall time. @IowaGuy looked on with disgust ... and said Steffi could do this easy. A couple of ttw members were there ... all sitting together but away from the rest ... saying this is the kind of poor play one should expect because of vaccines. Some dude speaking Polish was trying to demonstrate 2hfh mini without any movement of feet. I did not understand him in my dream.
Dreams are so weird.
mini is not for everyone, and some very good players i know hate mini... (but they can do it)...
issue i have is when someone can't do it, then say mini is stupid (because they can't do it)
what experts?Funny thing is I was just watching a video on "building a better backhand" on youtube from one of the well known training sites. Part of the progression was practicing mini, but specifically mentioned "do not shorten your swing, slow it down" this is the mistake BEGINNERS make.
Yet there are a bunch of experts here talking about how they shorten their strokes when they do mini. Either there are different ways to do things, or some people are full of it with their expertise.
I had the weirdest dream last night. Sharapova and Ostapenko were playing mini tennis ... and they absolutely sucked at it. @mad dog1 was yelling at them that they had no fundamentals. @nytennisaddict told mad dog ... "yeah, I knew they would suck at mini by watching them hit their groundies". @Curious suggested that they both just play mini for 3 weeks ... first get a good mini ... and then do MANY Mini. @Pete Player said he could teach them, but they would have to wait until he got off his bag of ice and the meds. @Bender was taking a picture of Sharapova's butt. @J011yroger was with Bender ... and waved a can of tennis balls at Sharapova. When she looked at him, he held the can near his crotch ... winked at her and gave her the thumbs up. She was quite disgusted. @ChaelAZ was on the top row sitting by himself with his shirt off, taking a selfie while he rubbed his nipples. @Shroud was there in a black hoodie ... not paying too much attention. He was muttering that women know nothing about tennis strings. He had wrapped ZX around the umpires chair, and was stretching that ZX like a mad man. @S&V-not_dead_yet screamed at them (between mad dog screams) ... QUIT LETTING THE BALL BOUNCE ... DUH!!! @FiReFTW was talking with nyta ... and he thought Sharapova had a chance to make 5.0 in 5 years. @StringSnapper and @Dragy were smugly high-fiving each other ... saying this is exactly what you get without wall time. @IowaGuy looked on with disgust ... and said Steffi could do this easy. A couple of ttw members were there ... all sitting together but away from the rest ... saying this is the kind of poor play one should expect because of vaccines. Some dude speaking Polish was trying to demonstrate 2hfh mini without any movement of feet. I did not understand him in my dream.
Dreams are so weird.
Dreams are so weird.
Come on now, Can I not hangout with these cool guys even in a dream?
Come on now, Can I not hangout with these cool guys even in a dream?
Im sorry..i thought attainment of certain ntrp or utr ratings negated all opinions from those of lower tennis elite status.[emoji849]what experts?
we're just a bunch of guys and gals sharing what worked for us....
and i stayed at a holiday inn express.
Im sorry..i thought attainment of certain ntrp or utr ratings negated all opinions from those of lower tennis elite status.[emoji849]
Im sorry..i thought attainment of certain ntrp or utr ratings negated all opinions from those of lower tennis elite status.[emoji849]
ha, no. we are all rec players, which means we all suck (compared to pros who actually get paid to compete).
but I do look at ratings and rankings as a weighting system... so i’m more likely to take 5.0 advice over 3.0 advice.... but i’ve occasionally also come across 4.0s (ie older teaching pros,but played in college) that could teach the material than most some 5.5+.
but back to mini, i’ve had anyone convincingly explain to me why mini is stupid/not valuable... 100% of the time it’s “I can’t do it, so it’s stupid”.
makes sense if we are talking about time constraints and one does not want to spend time in 5min pre match warmup to do mini. but I find that for the folks that can’t do it, eventually they say something like “and it’s stupid”... to reveal the real reason they don’t do it.
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It was so easy it started to get boring
ha, no. we are all rec players, which means we all suck (compared to pros who actually get paid to compete).
but I do look at ratings and rankings as a weighting system... so i’m more likely to take 5.0 advice over 3.0 advice.... but i’ve occasionally also come across 4.0s (ie older teaching pros,but played in college) that could teach the material than most some 5.5+.
but back to mini, i’ve had anyone convincingly explain to me why mini is stupid/not valuable... 100% of the time it’s “I can’t do it, so it’s stupid”.
makes sense if we are talking about time constraints and one does not want to spend time in 5min pre match warmup to do mini. but I find that for the folks that can’t do it, eventually they say something like “and it’s stupid”... to reveal the real reason they don’t do it.
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"but back to mini, i’ve had anyone convincingly explain to me why mini is stupid/not valuable... 100% of the time it’s “I can’t do it, so it’s stupid”. "
You must have a hearing problem. I have told you repeatedly that I am magnificent at mini ... and it's stupid.I minied yesterday with that ex-college player I have mentioned. There is no other way to describe my mini skills other than magnificent. It was so easy it started to get boring ... so I added a twist for my entertainment. When the impulse hit me ... I would randomly just hit the ball down on my side and land it right inside opponents service line. All in rhythm ... thing of beauty ... one might say ... wait for it .... magnificent.
So now you have one ... no longer 100%.
CC mini is a nice drill for altering court geometry perception apart from shot shaping. But it definitely gives longer court than square mini-T.another drill we do is to setup a target like 3ft from the net 1ft from singles sideline and do cc mini.
first one to hit the target 3 times wins.
repeat for fh/bh side.
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I just find the immediate assumption that someone who doesn't think something is good must suck at it is pretty hard to claim is accurate when you are talking about people on the internet. Again, it tends to belie the standard inclination of many, especially kids, to just tell people they suck..because it's the internet and that's what people do on the internet. They may think hamburgers suck but are excellent at flipping them, etc.
CC mini is a nice drill for altering court geometry perception apart from shot shaping. But it definitely gives longer court than square mini-T.
I've taken 4 lessons in my life...with 4 different instructors. None started with mini tennis. All started with leisurely baseline hitting. No one ever said i should work on mini tennis to improve. Every "3.5" i played in sectionals singles wanted to do mini as a warm up. Its something i will never do unless someone asks me to. I don't want to brag so I'll leave my performance against these mini gurus out of it.fair enough.
and for all you know i’m just a troll that can’t even spell tenys,... so you should tread cautiously [emoji14]
that and “free” advice from a nobody like me can’t be good.
in your lessons, what does your instructor say about mini?
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