staryugi
Rookie
it's the Babolat pure aero vs pro stock !
Carlos Alcaraz is using a stock Pure aero vs
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McEncock
Professional
Thanks!
Same layup just commercial weight removed, or custom layup?
staryugi
Rookie
sorry i made a mistake hahah, pure aero vs stock form i mean hahaha
Sintherius
Semi-Pro
Well technically, since Carlitos is using it… it IS a pro stock
staryugi
Rookie
hahaha yes if you say so !!Well technically, since Carlitos is using it… it IS a pro stock
Bud
Bionic Poster
Stay classy
FrankyRelax
Semi-Pro
Babolat just posted an IG story with Carlos and a blurred out frame. New frame coming for him?
Could just be new Carlos exclusive PJ coming
Could just be new Carlos exclusive PJ coming
RandomAsian
Rookie
Pure Aero 98, same pj as regular Aero. You can get more info on the official Babolat thread. Felix has a similar IG story as well.
pico
Hall of Fame
So the Pure Aero line will have a new 98sq in frame? In addition to the existing VS?
David Le
Hall of Fame
No, they are only adding new tech into the new frame. The PAVS will be renamed PA98 instead of the former.
David Le
Hall of Fame
Seriously. I said this in another thread but I’ll say it here too. Since Babolat is getting “rid of” the VS moniker in one of their lines and changing it to ‘98’ They should keep the VS and re-introduce the line as Babolat Pure Aero VS (APDO) Pure Drive VS (PDO or Soft Drive) and the Pure Strike VS (PCO or Swirly)
beltsman
G.O.A.T.
They should keep it
optic yellow
Legend
Agree it gave it flair.
jmacdaununder2
Legend
Felix and Jack will presumably end up with the same paint job in a repeat of the PSVS deliberate obfuscation episode; if you can’t sell it just pretend it’s something that you can sell.
PURETENNISsense
Semi-Pro
Does he not have lead tape hidden under the grommet?
pico
Hall of Fame
I just feel I am not being manly and need more swingweight! please help me!
staryugi
Rookie
i have the same prob, felt like i need more plowthrough ( my backhand is a bit flatter than my forehand ), so i added weight at all areas but feels like there's always something that doesnt work ( especially if youre an ex balde and pro staff player like me haha ), i really miss my wilsons lol
staryugi
Rookie
feels like the racquet plays at it best whitout lead, and even-though am not satisfied haha!
pico
Hall of Fame
I just feel to be manly, i need sw above 340! But stock pure aero vs feels great - i should be happy! No?
iceman_dl6
Professional
I’m also a heavy racquet kind of guy! I did add weight on my PAVS, but you have to find the right amount to add (or not) to give you enough plow and stability without compromising swing speed. I found that this racquet doesn’t perform well when the swing speed is low even with tons of weight added. On the other hand, this racquet doesn’t need a lot of added weight (or even no weight added) in order to be stable, which is amazing!
pico
Hall of Fame
nailed it! it truly is special!
Lambsscroll
Hall of Fame
I agree.
staryugi
Rookie
exactly! It plays great without weight added, but sometimes in heavy conditions it can feel very light ( when its very humid on clay ) !
pico
Hall of Fame
Have you tried a leather grip on it?
pico
Hall of Fame
Do you have a leather grip on it?
staryugi
Rookie
no but am back to my blade, this week, the PAVS is a very good racquet, but coming from the blade and pro staff, i don't feel the ball, i like feeling what i am doing! and it was not possible with the PAVS, but the racquet is good offers good amount of control and power !
TennisAddiction
Semi-Pro
So did Alcaraz switch up the frame or still using the VS under the new Pure Aero PJ?
iceman_dl6
Professional
I doubt he would really switch. One way to know for sure is if the spin grommets are still there. The new PA98 retail doesn’t have those anymore. You would need the correct angle and a good closeup of his racquet to see it.
Oval_Solid
Professional
hes going to get tennis elbow before winning a slam
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Slicehand
Guest
No, manhood is the most important thing, if you lose a match because you cant swing that thing for 2 and a half hours, you were in your quest to manhood, but to win with a light stick? Oh yeah, i can also do 30 reps of bench press with 5 kg, but i leave that to the ladies, now ill manly shut up
Down_the_line
Legend
Crazy that he actually uses a stock form, off the shelf Pure Aero VS (2020 version as I understand it). As this becomes common knowledge that's going to drive a lot of business for a line of frames that never really made it big. I mean, people buy like crazy when the racquet just LOOKS like what the pros are using but when they know it's actually the same racquet....$$$$$$$$.
HeavyHitter
Rookie
I got hold of Carlos’s actual racquet! Well, one of the juniors I help train went to Cincy open and got it from him. Carlos was practicing serves and it slipped out of his hand and it cracked the frame so he gave it to him. I got to see it and measure the specs. Pretty cool! New paintjob looks pretty cool
Please inform us so we can see if he actually uses stock version..I got hold of Carlos’s actual racquet! Well, one of the juniors I help train went to Cincy open and got it from him. Carlos was practicing serves and it slipped out of his hand and it cracked the frame so he gave it to him. I got to see it and measure the specs. Pretty cool! New paintjob looks pretty cool
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Slicehand
Guest
Please post the specs! I particularly dont like the new paintjob, seems a little toyish to meI got hold of Carlos’s actual racquet! Well, one of the juniors I help train went to Cincy open and got it from him. Carlos was practicing serves and it slipped out of his hand and it cracked the frame so he gave it to him. I got to see it and measure the specs. Pretty cool! New paintjob looks pretty cool
staryugi
Rookie
Oh nice, we're all waiting for the specs, thanks man !I got hold of Carlos’s actual racquet! Well, one of the juniors I help train went to Cincy open and got it from him. Carlos was practicing serves and it slipped out of his hand and it cracked the frame so he gave it to him. I got to see it and measure the specs. Pretty cool! New paintjob looks pretty cool
iceman_dl6
Professional
Soo exciting!! Can’t wait!! Maybe also check to see if the spin grommets (at 6 oclock) from the 2020 model are still there.
TennisLogic
Semi-Pro
4 1/2?
Whatever happened to the new trend of players using 4 1/8 with their giant hands?
Lambsscroll
Hall of Fame
maybe he doesn't have a giant hand
HeavyHitter
Rookie
Yup, 4 1/2 L4 grip. When I was holding the racquet and swinging it, it felt just right somehow.
Carlos probably wasn't a member of TW forums when he was training as a junior Most juniors, even nationally ranked ones I've trained with, don't really pay attention to small details like grip size. They just play with what was given to them and adjust to it. I'm guessing Carlos just played with what felt right for him, not necessarily trying to copy Nadal or whats posted on TW forums. Maybe we've been doing it all wrong and Carlos is doing it right?!
Carlos probably wasn't a member of TW forums when he was training as a junior
Most juniors, even nationally ranked ones I've trained with, don't really pay attention to small details like grip size. They just play with what was given to them and adjust to it. I'm guessing Carlos just played with what felt right for him, not necessarily trying to copy Nadal or whats posted on TW forums. Maybe we've been doing it all wrong and Carlos is doing it right?!
HeavyHitter
Rookie
I laid my Aero VS over his and its pretty much the same frame. String spacing looked the same, grommets are the same, hoop, throat, etc same.
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Slicehand
Guest
Didnt you mesure the specs? Why dont you post them? Everybody wants to know
HeavyHitter
Rookie
Hey guys, I said I measured the specs but didn't say I was going to share it with y'all. I'm probably not going to post the specs. I was one of the first to confirm Carlos's frame specs and posted it on this forum, and I had more people doubting, calling BS, and other troll comments. So believe what you want to believe, after all, you guys seemed to know everything.
iceman_dl6
Professional
Awesome, thanks!
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Slicehand
Guest
You have carlos racquet in your hand, how the hell are we gonna doubt? Is it really stock? Everybody is gonna call bullsht on everything here, but that doesnt take away that some tennis fans are gonna be happy for knowing things like that, the hell with people that dont believe, whats the point in saying something like this if you are not gonna post the specs, thats really cruel you know? Personally id be surprised to know that a pro is playing with a 305 grams racquet, but i cant know so ill believe it, and its interesting to know because if the number 4 in the world can play with a racquet like that, it just dismantles a lot of theories about racquets, so it would be really nice from you to give this info to tennis fans, despite of trollsHey guys, I said I measured the specs but didn't say I was going to share it with y'all. I'm probably not going to post the specs. I was one of the first to confirm Carlos's frame specs and posted it on this forum, and I had more people doubting, calling BS, and other troll comments. So believe what you want to believe, after all, you guys seemed to know everything.
He also had issues with his right elbow, maybe with cubital canal inflammation, a larger grip would help to hold the racquet more loosely, or to better dissipate vibrations from the frame. To be clear I'm totally guessing. Babs also have rubbery, dense and thick base grips, also to absorb vibrations from their stiff frames, very different compared to H, W or Y.
I wouldn't be surprised if Babolat did a real technical/scientific study with him. He's their future, and most young pros don't want to play with a Babolat, they absolutely could not lose him, from the business point of view.
That frame was made specifically for him, and maybe Rune, it's a depolarized attackers' frame, very unlike almost all Babolats ever, so I'm guessing again, that someone said "we want a Federer-like frame, but lighter" at some point several years ago, and Babolat managers said, "well, then you'll get exactly that"
Plus Carlos has an exceptionally twitchy swings, serves used to be super explosive too, in 2022 he's playing kick serves much more. L4 grip size probably has something to do with all that, is my guess.
And now to sw. My guess is that after he lost and had difficulties on grass, especially in the first rounds while it's still lush and slick, and Sinner punched through him recently even on clay, although with RS Pro balls, similar things might happen in the future. Probably not during US summer swing, Wilson US Open balls jump up, and have enough float time so that he can consistently blast them from between hip and shoulder height, but at some point in the future I suspect someone will move him around on a bad hair day, and JC Ferrero will say "Charlie we really have to go up with sw, min 335 but 340 would be better, so that you can dig yourself easier from corners, block balls back, counterpunch and more"
Players easily have a feel to punch through someone with a fly swatter, and most aren't so good at blocking and bunting it back like Kyrgios. De Minaur, Goffin, Tiafoe, Brooksby etc, are all quick, thanks to light racquets too, they run and move the ball around quickly, have quick counterpunch swings etc, but they all have too many snowflake balls that get attacked. Nishikori and Agassi, but Federer too, are examples of a lightning quick players but with heavy/high sw racquets.
My guess is that Alcaraz will join Sinner in the 340sw club very soon, if he hasn't already. This is not a comparison between me and them, sorry about that, but my VSes are at 335sw with RPM Power 1.30, and I might go up to 340sw, but not above, with counterbalancing in the handle. It's a frame made for adding a lot of lead at 12 and in the handle, lead at 12 calmed down the feel and vibrations, made it juicier and nicer feeling. I also need more weight and sw because I have a one handed backhand that is just so weak with a light racquet, same applies for bh slice.
Oh but please give us the specs?
I wouldn't be surprised if Babolat did a real technical/scientific study with him. He's their future, and most young pros don't want to play with a Babolat, they absolutely could not lose him, from the business point of view.
That frame was made specifically for him, and maybe Rune, it's a depolarized attackers' frame, very unlike almost all Babolats ever, so I'm guessing again, that someone said "we want a Federer-like frame, but lighter" at some point several years ago, and Babolat managers said, "well, then you'll get exactly that"
Plus Carlos has an exceptionally twitchy swings, serves used to be super explosive too, in 2022 he's playing kick serves much more. L4 grip size probably has something to do with all that, is my guess.
And now to sw. My guess is that after he lost and had difficulties on grass, especially in the first rounds while it's still lush and slick, and Sinner punched through him recently even on clay, although with RS Pro balls, similar things might happen in the future. Probably not during US summer swing, Wilson US Open balls jump up, and have enough float time so that he can consistently blast them from between hip and shoulder height, but at some point in the future I suspect someone will move him around on a bad hair day, and JC Ferrero will say "Charlie we really have to go up with sw, min 335 but 340 would be better, so that you can dig yourself easier from corners, block balls back, counterpunch and more"
Players easily have a feel to punch through someone with a fly swatter, and most aren't so good at blocking and bunting it back like Kyrgios. De Minaur, Goffin, Tiafoe, Brooksby etc, are all quick, thanks to light racquets too, they run and move the ball around quickly, have quick counterpunch swings etc, but they all have too many snowflake balls that get attacked. Nishikori and Agassi, but Federer too, are examples of a lightning quick players but with heavy/high sw racquets.
My guess is that Alcaraz will join Sinner in the 340sw club very soon, if he hasn't already. This is not a comparison between me and them, sorry about that, but my VSes are at 335sw with RPM Power 1.30, and I might go up to 340sw, but not above, with counterbalancing in the handle. It's a frame made for adding a lot of lead at 12 and in the handle, lead at 12 calmed down the feel and vibrations, made it juicier and nicer feeling. I also need more weight and sw because I have a one handed backhand that is just so weak with a light racquet, same applies for bh slice.
Oh but please give us the specs?
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