Carlos Alcaraz Joins An Elite Group

Lozo1016

Hall of Fame
Alcaraz has now won 30 matches in his first 10 slam appearances. On the ESPN broadcast, Chris Fowler gave the list of the other 7 players to accomplish this feat:

Mats Wilander
John McEnroe
Boris Becker
Rafael Nadal
Bjorn Borg
Andre Agassi
Andrei Medvedev

That's a pretty exclusive club. 6 ATGs out of 7 players. Will be fun to see if Alcaraz becomes the next one!
 

Kralingen

Talk Tennis Guru
The guy has ATG tattooed across his forehead at this point and he still has doubters on here.

He is the most sure thing can’t miss prospect tennis has seen in the modern era. And people still think he’s not gonna be a dominant player.

Enough to make you question whether TTW knows ball whatsoever.
 

tex123

Hall of Fame
ATG of weakgens he'll be seen as. He needed to beat Djokovic at FO to prove his ATG potential. He can still redeem himself at W going through Djokovic but it is a very difficult task.
 

Poisoned Slice

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itrium84

Hall of Fame
ATG of weakgens he'll be seen as. He needed to beat Djokovic at FO to prove his ATG potential. He can still redeem himself at W going through Djokovic but it is a very difficult task.
1. No, he didn't need to beat Novak at RG in order to prove ATG potential.
2. Yes, he's fully capable of winning Novak at any GS tournament.
3. This 30 wins in 1st 10 GS appearances is a clear sign of ATG potential.
 

tex123

Hall of Fame
1. No, he didn't need to beat Novak at RG in order to prove ATG potential.
2. Yes, he's fully capable of winning Novak at any GS tournament.
3. This 30 wins in 1st 10 GS appearances is a clear sign of ATG potential.
No one is doubting his ATG potential. But he will be an ATG of weakgens unless he beats Djokovic on his way to the slam title.
 

tex123

Hall of Fame
He cramped and was even with Djokovic at the FO so it’s irrelevant from a legacy standpoint. He beat Djokovic on their prior meeting to that.
Everyone is a master of masters. Nextgens have already figured out best of 3. That includes Thiem, Zv, Tsitsi etc. We're talking slams.
I ask again - when was the last time a no 1 player cramped after two sets in the history of tennis?
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
The guy has ATG tattooed across his forehead at this point and he still has doubters on here.

He is the most sure thing can’t miss prospect tennis has seen in the modern era. And people still think he’s not gonna be a dominant player.

Enough to make you question whether TTW knows ball whatsoever.
For me, it’s not that’s he’s not good. It’s that he has to explode so much into every shot to get his power that it looks almost painful to me. As someone who’s a lot older than him, I can say that playing that way is fine when you’re 20, but I’m not so sure it’s that sustainable.
 

T007

Hall of Fame
1. No, he didn't need to beat Novak at RG in order to prove ATG potential.
2. Yes, he's fully capable of winning Novak at any GS tournament.
3. This 30 wins in 1st 10 GS appearances is a clear sign of ATG potential.
If he can't beat a 36 year old djoker in slams. He can't be an ATG.

Fed beat Sampras,Agassi before he arrived on the scene to dominate.

Nadal Beat Federer

Djokovic beat Federer.

Alcaraz has atleast to beat a 36 year old djokovic. If he can't he can't claim himself as an ATG.
 

Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
Alcaraz has now won 30 matches in his first 10 slam appearances. On the ESPN broadcast, Chris Fowler gave the list of the other 7 players to accomplish this feat:

Mats Wilander
John McEnroe
Boris Becker
Rafael Nadal
Bjorn Borg
Andre Agassi
Andrei Medvedev

That's a pretty exclusive club. 6 ATGs out of 7 players. Will be fun to see if Alcaraz becomes the next one!
Add Gonzales, Rosewall, Hoad, others.
 
No one is doubting his ATG potential. But he will be an ATG of weakgens unless he beats Djokovic on his way to the slam title.
The list of players who were able to beat Djokovic in Slams is not all star-studded, and the list of players who lost to Novak has some of the best players ever on it. The moral of the story is that the strength of the opponent is ultimately defined by how they perform in any particular Slam or match, not by their name and stature in the game. For Alcaraz, beating old Djokovic at a Slam may require a worse performance than beating someone like Sinner on the day. We just don't know what will happen in the future. In theory, Carlitos may not even get an opportunity to beat Djokovic at a Slam again. Very unlikely, but possible. So what then? Will he forever be relegated to not being able to prove his greatness?

It's best to watch as things actually unfold - how Alacaraz keeps performing against the field - and make judgement based on that.
 

itrium84

Hall of Fame
No one is doubting his ATG potential. But he will be an ATG of weakgens unless he beats Djokovic on his way to the slam title.
He'll hopefully have many many chances to beat Novak at GS tournament. New ATG prospects may already be playing (Medvedev, Zverev, Sinner, Musetti, Rune) or they're on their way (16, 17, 18 year-olds). Don't worry.
 

Chanwan

G.O.A.T.
The list of players who were able to beat Djokovic in Slams is not all star-studded, and the list of players who lost to Novak has some of the best players ever on it. The moral of the story is that the strength of the opponent is ultimately defined by how they perform in any particular Slam or match, not by their name and stature in the game. For Alcaraz, beating old Djokovic at a Slam may require a worse performance than beating someone like Sinner on the day. We just don't know what will happen in the future. In theory, Carlitos may not even get an opportunity to beat Djokovic at a Slam again. Very unlikely, but possible. So what then? Will he forever be relegated to not being able to prove his greatness?

It's best to watch as things actually unfold - how Alacaraz keeps performing against the field - and make judgement based on that.
Too much sense. What is it you don't get? He lost one match, ergo he's a mug for the rest of his life
 

Kralingen

Talk Tennis Guru
People only think Jigga won because of marketing. That's all rap is today. The true rap connoisseurs know Nascaraz won as soon as he dropped his first bar.
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Look at Jay-S with his flashy bags and no trophies

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Jannik is all image. Carlos is all tennis
 

tex123

Hall of Fame
He'll hopefully have many many chances to beat Novak at GS tournament. New ATG prospects may already be playing (Medvedev, Zverev, Sinner, Musetti, Rune) or they're on their way (16, 17, 18 year-olds). Don't worry.
I'm sorry but you don't get it.

He's a 20 year old prodigy - the best of nextgens we've seen. Djokovic is a 36 year old man. If he's losing to Djokovic now and somehow beats him when Djokovic gets to 37 or 38, it's not the same.

As I said he can redeem at W. Maybe people will forgive him if he does it at the USO. Any later, he's not good. Djokovic may even get bored and retire.
 

tex123

Hall of Fame
The list of players who were able to beat Djokovic in Slams is not all star-studded, and the list of players who lost to Novak has some of the best players ever on it. The moral of the story is that the strength of the opponent is ultimately defined by how they perform in any particular Slam or match, not by their name and stature in the game. For Alcaraz, beating old Djokovic at a Slam may require a worse performance than beating someone like Sinner on the day. We just don't know what will happen in the future. In theory, Carlitos may not even get an opportunity to beat Djokovic at a Slam again. Very unlikely, but possible. So what then? Will he forever be relegated to not being able to prove his greatness?

It's best to watch as things actually unfold - how Alacaraz keeps performing against the field - and make judgement based on that.
YES.

There will always be a question mark. He did not do it against one of the big 3.
Sinner has to win a masters first. He's not in the same league as Alcaraz.
 
The list of players who were able to beat Djokovic in Slams is not all star-studded, and the list of players who lost to Novak has some of the best players ever on it. The moral of the story is that the strength of the opponent is ultimately defined by how they perform in any particular Slam or match, not by their name and stature in the game. For Alcaraz, beating old Djokovic at a Slam may require a worse performance than beating someone like Sinner on the day. We just don't know what will happen in the future. In theory, Carlitos may not even get an opportunity to beat Djokovic at a Slam again. Very unlikely, but possible. So what then? Will he forever be relegated to not being able to prove his greatness?

It's best to watch as things actually unfold - how Alacaraz keeps performing against the field - and make judgement based on that.
Exactly! People acting like Djokovic and alcaraz are nailed on for every major final. Tennis simply doesn’t work like that and there’s always upsets for both players.
 

Chanwan

G.O.A.T.
I'm sorry but you don't get it.

He's a 20 year old prodigy - the best of nextgens we've seen. Djokovic is a 36 year old man. If he's losing to Djokovic now and somehow beats him when Djokovic gets to 37 or 38, it's not the same.

As I said he can redeem at W. Maybe people will forgive him if he does it at the USO. Any later, he's not good. Djokovic may even get bored and retire.
And we are sorry that you see the world all black/white. Have you had a look at Djoko's recent slam resumé?

Spoiler alert: he's never had more prolonged success at the slam level than in recent years
 
They kind of are though mate.
True. We will see though. There will be a shock when we least expect it. Even in this era mate. It’s just the way things go. It only takes a bad day at the office for either and they can only meet in final. They are the favourites but it doesn’t always work out the way we think.
 

Eureka

Professional
Alcaraz has now won 30 matches in his first 10 slam appearances. On the ESPN broadcast, Chris Fowler gave the list of the other 7 players to accomplish this feat:.....
It is simply amazing how he continues to excel, and this is just the start of what will hopefully be an excellent career of big achievements. Bravo, Carlos!

There is something special about watching kids developing their careers and succeeding. We have not just CA, but others too, including Rune and Sinner. Something to look forward to.
 
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tex123

Hall of Fame
And we are sorry that you see the world all black/white. Have you had a look at Djoko's recent slam resumé?

Spoiler alert: he's never had more prolonged success at the slam level than in recent years
I don't care what his resume is. When you step on that court against a 36 year old, it is a 5 set match. You do not cramp after two sets. Never. Ever.

Fed managed quite well beating Sampras at W at 19 years of age. What should I excuse some 20 year old prodigy? Just because I'm a fan. Sorry no.

Don't come to the presser saying you want this match and then cr*p all over. As I said he can still redeem himself at W or even at the USO.
 

Chanwan

G.O.A.T.
I don't care what his resume is. When you step on that court against a 36 year old, it is a 5 set match. You do not cramp after two sets. Never. Ever.

Fed managed quite well beating Sampras at W at 19 years of age. What should I excuse some 20 year old prodigy? Just because I'm a fan. Sorry no.

Don't come to the presser saying you want this match and then cr*p all over. As I said he can still redeem himself at W or even at the USO.
And I repeat that I am sorry the world is all B/W for you, it ain't for me
 
...And Cramps up against a 40 year old and gets violated like a parking meter..... on clay.. That erases all these pointless " ATG stats". If he gets destroyed again at Wimbledon by Nole then its definitely over. I don't care if he wins 40 slams against Tstitsipas. LOL
 

itrium84

Hall of Fame
I'm sorry but you don't get it.

He's a 20 year old prodigy - the best of nextgens we've seen. Djokovic is a 36 year old man. If he's losing to Djokovic now and somehow beats him when Djokovic gets to 37 or 38, it's not the same.

As I said he can redeem at W. Maybe people will forgive him if he does it at the USO. Any later, he's not good. Djokovic may even get bored and retire.
Yeah, but... It's really hard to beat GOAT, even for Fedal. There's no reason to expect too much from Carlos.
Novak is 36, but in very good form. Carlos was toe to toe with him until cramps. He's almost there, he learned his lesson at RG.
 

Raiden

Hall of Fame
For me, it’s not that’s he’s not good. It’s that he has to explode so much into every shot to get his power that it looks almost painful to me. As someone who’s a lot older than him, I can say that playing that way is fine when you’re 20, but I’m not so sure it’s that sustainable.
Yes.

Contrast that with Nadal for example, who, unlike Carlos, gives you the feeling of having endless reserves and can go on being explosive forever
 
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