Carlos Bernardes and Nadal
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Carlos Bernardes once more showed how he cooperates with the Swiss-Serbian (Esse Esse) Mafia in order to destroy the good works of El Martir. But those of us who trust in his sacred work are well aware of what goes on and we will fight until the last man from San Rafael de los Calzones en el Orto falls...
We shall overcome....
We shall overcome....
MixieP
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Let's kick some infidel butt, Pancho!
gamesetmats
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Well Nadal definitely WAS going to challenge, but contemplated and never showed a real sign of challenge (for example raised his arm..) and then continued the point. The point ended with Berdych's next shot if I remember right. There should be a video out there. Now people make a big thing about it because the umpire agreed to give Berdych a challenge in a similar situation.
In my opinion the umpire was right because rafa never made a clear gesture. And wrong with Berdych's call later which everone could see.
In my opinion the umpire was right because rafa never made a clear gesture. And wrong with Berdych's call later which everone could see.
MixieP
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Why are you ruining a perfectly fine thread by trying to make sense?
gamesetmats
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MixieP
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No problem. You're that Trollander guy, aren't you?Hahah sorry I must indeed stop trolling
Watch the video from 15 seconds onwards and make your own decision.
To me, the umpire's decision was iffy.
http://espn.go.com/tennis/aus12/sto...ger-federer-rafael-nadal-set-semifinals-match
To me, the umpire's decision was iffy.
http://espn.go.com/tennis/aus12/sto...ger-federer-rafael-nadal-set-semifinals-match
Nadalfan89
Hall of Fame
As usual, Berdtard and some inept umpire tried to usurp Nadal's rightful crown and Nadal came out on top as usual. Pathetic peasants trying to tear down the tennis elite.
veritech
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i'm looking for that shirt in your profile pic! any idea where to find one? i've seen similar shirts but with the exclamation point and in a different font which i dont like...
Nadalfan89
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I bought this one at the US Open. I think it might be exclusive to on site vendors but I'm not sure.
Fate Archer
Hall of Fame
Bernardes was right and Nadal is a freaking diva. He always b!tches when things don't go his way.
I doubt he would have attempted to challenge if Berdych's next shot was out.
I doubt he would have attempted to challenge if Berdych's next shot was out.
veritech
Hall of Fame
maybe that's why i can't find it but ill keep looking. thanks!
forthegame
Hall of Fame
IMHO, Rafa challenged very late. He played the ball, got into his ready position and only raised his hand after Berdy had hit a winner.
He even had time to look at the linesman/his folks/ballkids before he complained.
Rafa is a sporting guy but this one, the ump called right.
aphex
Banned
This is a very historical t-shirt...
Cesc Fabregas
Legend
The clown should be given his p45.
ChipNCharge
Professional
It never ceases to amaze me just how rude and disrespectful the players are to the chair umpires.
JustBob
Hall of Fame
Berdych hits a ball that appears to be long.
Rafa hits ball back.
No out call from line judge.
Rafa kindda stops playing but doesn't challenge. Instead, Rafa goes into a series if internal monologues:
Looks at the line: "You not feel yellow ball hitting you no?"
Looks at the line judge: "You saw ball is out, why no call?"
Meanwhile Berdych hits the ball back for a winner.
Rafa moves in the direction of the ball, can't get to it. Then Rafa resumes his internal monologues:
Looks at the ball kid: "You saw ball out to no?"
Looks at Bernardes: "You should have overruled no?"
Looks at Uncle Toni who gives him the secret sign for a challenge.
Rafa puts his hand up to challenge.
Bernardes says: "Too late, no challenge for you!"
Rafa approaches Bernardes and launches into a tirade in Spanish:
"Why you do nothing. You never get any call right. You are not a spectator here. Don't look at me. You're ugly inside. Etc... etc.. etc..."
Berdych wins the point.
The End
Rafa hits ball back.
No out call from line judge.
Rafa kindda stops playing but doesn't challenge. Instead, Rafa goes into a series if internal monologues:
Looks at the line: "You not feel yellow ball hitting you no?"
Looks at the line judge: "You saw ball is out, why no call?"
Meanwhile Berdych hits the ball back for a winner.
Rafa moves in the direction of the ball, can't get to it. Then Rafa resumes his internal monologues:
Looks at the ball kid: "You saw ball out to no?"
Looks at Bernardes: "You should have overruled no?"
Looks at Uncle Toni who gives him the secret sign for a challenge.
Rafa puts his hand up to challenge.
Bernardes says: "Too late, no challenge for you!"
Rafa approaches Bernardes and launches into a tirade in Spanish:
"Why you do nothing. You never get any call right. You are not a spectator here. Don't look at me. You're ugly inside. Etc... etc.. etc..."
Berdych wins the point.
The End
welcome2petrkordaland
Professional
hmmm. . . this is the first thread about this issue that I've read.
bottom line: consistently and egregiously poor line calling throughout the entire match put both Carlos Benardes and the players themselves in unfair and uncomfortable situations.
Although it could easily be argued that poor line calling/refereeing at critical moments affected the outcome of the first set, it did not affect the outcome overall IMO. . . . but please, please, get some better people out there for the Semis!!!! please
bottom line: consistently and egregiously poor line calling throughout the entire match put both Carlos Benardes and the players themselves in unfair and uncomfortable situations.
Although it could easily be argued that poor line calling/refereeing at critical moments affected the outcome of the first set, it did not affect the outcome overall IMO. . . . but please, please, get some better people out there for the Semis!!!! please
Biscuitmcgriddleson
Professional
It never ceases to amaze me just how rude and disrespectful the players are to the chair umpires.
Totally agree about how rude the players are to the chair umpires. I would really like to see one of the chair umpires give them a warning for this let alone other violations. I would have never let Serena off the hook for her tirade last year. Just classless.
Biscuitmcgriddleson
Professional
Nadal was starring off into space. Not Bernardes' fault. You can't stare at the mark while the point is still going and then call a challenge to try and save the point. Yes it was a bad call and there were many bad calls in this match, but Bernardes' decision to not let Nadal challenge was not one of them. He did the correct thing.
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welcome2petrkordaland
Professional
Not blaming Bernardes on 1st TB refusal to allow Nadal the challenge . . . but due to the egregiously bad line calling that continued, Bernardes IMO went ahead and made a mistake later when he allowed Berdych the late challenge. As I said in my previous post, the crappy line calling, I think, caused Bernardes to compensate a bit, and he was inconsistent by allowing Berdych the late challenge later on in the match.
I can't agree that Rafa was "staring into space," though. He was trying to do everyone's job, since the linespeople whom were paid apparently couldn't do it.
I can't agree that Rafa was "staring into space," though. He was trying to do everyone's job, since the linespeople whom were paid apparently couldn't do it.
skip1969
G.O.A.T.
nadal was a bit dismissive about the whole thing. i can't believe that he didn't realize. if it's not a point-ending shot, you have to stop immediately, which he didn't do. he went to bernardes asking why he couldn't challenge, and carlos told him, "you know the procedure."
of course, nadal comes back with "i was looking at the mark and waiting for the call, blah, blah, blah." and when that didn't work, he b*tches out bernardes for not overruling in the first place. of course, the ball was out and nadal was right about that. but that's about all he was right about.
if the ball was clearly out to him, then he shouldn't had a moment's hesitation to call for the challenge.
of course, nadal comes back with "i was looking at the mark and waiting for the call, blah, blah, blah." and when that didn't work, he b*tches out bernardes for not overruling in the first place. of course, the ball was out and nadal was right about that. but that's about all he was right about.
if the ball was clearly out to him, then he shouldn't had a moment's hesitation to call for the challenge.
Bobby Jr
G.O.A.T.
Nadal was completely in the wrong with his challenge. I've re-watched the video and there was no call.. I think what he was saying is he didn't hear the call - which is obvious because the linesperson thought the ball was in (even if they were wrong). Nadal didn't make a peep until Berdych had hit a winner.
Berdych's case also seemed wrong - he waited for his shot down the line to land out before he challenged Nadal's last shot. The umpire should have applied the "challenge before your own shots is hit or lands" benchmark and denied the challenge.
Berdych's case also seemed wrong - he waited for his shot down the line to land out before he challenged Nadal's last shot. The umpire should have applied the "challenge before your own shots is hit or lands" benchmark and denied the challenge.
Bobby Jr
G.O.A.T.
On an unrelated note, I've freeze-framed a couple of hawkeye decisions in the past few days which seem to be 6 inches away from where the footage show the ball to have landed. Granted footage can be pretty deceptive with where the ball actually bounds off the court but on a couple of down the T serve calls I've been surprised as where Hawkeye positions the ball. At times it had looked as far a whole ball width different from where it appears in the footage.
Biscuitmcgriddleson
Professional
By the staring into space I meant that Nadal more or less lost track of time while staring at the mark.
My feeling is that if you have doubt on the validity of the call then you challenge. Had Nadal called for a challenge as soon as he returned the ball then there would be no problem and no controversy to talk about. He just got caught making a mistake and tried to cover it up after he realized the mistake he had made.
We are in full agreement about allowing the Berdych challenge later in the match. Rules must be maintained throughout the entire match. It's not fair to pick and choose the moments you want to follow the rules to the "t."
Overeemforehand-YYR-23
Banned
I hope CB didn't let nadal challenge that, it was ridiculous how He played the point, stopped in doubt and only challenged after He lost the point, either you stop right away or play.
stormholloway
Legend
Let's note for the record that the ball was clearly out.
Biscuitmcgriddleson
Professional
In or out isn't the point. The point is Nadal continued play and took too long to decide. It would be like trying to throw the red challenge flag in a football game after the next play had already started. You either challenge or you don't.
nadalwon2012
Banned
Late in the match, why did Berdych get the benefit of challenging a ball after moving to the next? Why did the umpire favor Berdych? Does Bernardes have a bad history with Nadal and dislike Nadal?
Biscuitmcgriddleson
Professional
Another poster already pointed out that little bit of hypocrisy and pointed to the bad line calling as the probable reason for Bernardes allowing him to challenge. Berdych shouldn't have been allowed to challenge but that doesn't make what Nadal did correct.
nadalwon2012
Banned
But the umpire is supposed to be consistent first and foremost. Umpires give players lee-way all the time, and its accepted if both players receive it. If the umpire treated Nadal with the same rules as he did Berdych, then Nadal would have got the challenge. Nobody is going to fire the ump for treating both players equally.
stormholloway
Legend
In or out is absolutely the point (at least the one I was trying to make). Someone called him a "freaking diva". He was still wronged by the linesmen. It's hardly diva-esque to simply want justice. No, he shouldn't have been granted the challenge, but it should have been called out by one of the people PAID to call the lines, including the chair.
Calling him a diva in this instance is hyperbole.
Crisstti
Legend
He didn't. If he had, he would have overruled the wrong call. It's part of his job...
It isn't?. Lol.
Anyway, from what I remember, Rafa said to Bernardes he was looking at the linesperson because he thought the ball had been called out, Bernardes says he moved towards the next ball, Rafa says it was a reflex reaction. Then he says he (Bernardes) hasn't gotten anything right.
Rafa took too long, but it shouldn't be the player who has to be worrying about that... Rafa should have won the point there already.
Good thing he won the match anyway.
nadalwon2012
Banned
At first I was disappointed that Nadal wasted an extra hour on court because of that incident, but thinking back, maybe Nadal needed that extra hour on court to reach peak for in that 4th set and get confident with his new racquet weight. The incident may have helped Nadal's AO chances. Plus a 6-5 lead vs Berdych is no guarantee, considering how well Berdych served in that tie-breaker.
Atherton2003
Hall of Fame
The real issue is why can't the linespeople make the correct call in the first place? That ball had to be at least a foot out, and yet it wasn't called. What are these linespeople sleeping? At that stage in the match, a grand slam match as well....and these linespeople made too many bad calls. That is not acceptable. Perhaps they need a rule that if a linesperson misses 3-4 calls per game, they can't call another match for a certain amount of time. That was the worst calls in a match I've ever seen. It's one thing to lose a set or match on the player's own accord, but not because of bad calls by umpires and linespeople.
nadalwon2012
Banned
This is correct. Should be in the rule book.
nadalwon2012
Banned
Extremely valid point Nadal made, it shows how intelligent he is (along with his incredible book skills). In the heat of the moment he revealed exactly what is wrong with the umpire's role pertaining to hawkeye.
I agree, and there have been some atrocious calls and officiating during the open during pivotal games. The umps should be doing their job, not pushing it onto the players.
nadalwon2012
Banned
I know. It's like a big show.
After Rafa's 5th moonball, the linesmen already dozed off.
Biscuitmcgriddleson
Professional
I assume you're talking about the point that Nadal wanted to challenge? If you are you should watch this video.
http://espn.go.com/tennis/aus12/sto...ger-federer-rafael-nadal-set-semifinals-match
Must be the shortest foot ever.
I agree that something similar to your plan would be a good idea.
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