Carson and Easter Bowl Acceptance

Sorry TCF if you took me wrong I am. Upset if I hurt ,,hey let's start fresh xoxoxoxoxo talk later

Ha, no biggie, just surprised you went there.

Just promise me you won't pull him from Carson and let him play all the top boys there. If he beats the Carson field than I will admit I have no clue! But the fact is at almost 15 he should be destroying every top player from age 14-18 if he is the next Nadal.
 
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Kwok is not the next Federer, but Deiton beat him 6-1, 5-2.

Looking at Kwok's record, he has more losses than wins in ITFs over the last six months. But I don't know who these opponents are, have not heard of most of them much less seen them play.

When I scan his record the last six months for people I have heard of, I see a 6-2, 6-4 loss to Bjorn Fratangelo and a 7-6(5), 7-5 loss to Luca Corinteli. These are HIGH blue chip players who are two years older than Deiton. I also see a 6-1, 6-2 loss to Alex Petrone, a blue chip 12th grader.

So, Deiton is doing as well against Kwok as much older blue chip recruits. Honestly, that surprises me, because I would have figured that the likes of Fratangelo, Corinteli and Petrone would put a 6-2, 6-2 beatdown on Deiton. I know that comparative scores of losses are not definitive, but let's not put down Deiton's win over Kwok.

Now Deiton plays a high 4-star, almost 5 star, 12th grader (Doehring) who has already signed with BYU. These are tough opponents for a 9th grader. Does that make Deiton another Nadal if he wins? No, but it at least means that by entering this tournament he is certainly not dodging potentially tough opponents. Perhaps he did in the past, no argument there. But not this week or next week at Carson.

Whatever garbage his dad might have posted on here, I am still rooting for Deiton to succeed, and I am going to give credit where credit is due when he wins.
 
Does anyone know if the father is with him? I still hear no. Has he changed his look or just in disguise as a spectator?

WGAF if his dad is there or not .. the kid is winning in the ITFs 18s.. he just took down the 1st seed .. and TCF is still ragging on about Deit.. why? let the kid shine .. he's doing good and deserves some kudos ..
 
Kwok is not the next Federer, but Deiton beat him 6-1, 5-2.

Looking at Kwok's record, he has more losses than wins in ITFs over the last six months. But I don't know who these opponents are, have not heard of most of them much less seen them play.

When I scan his record the last six months for people I have heard of, I see a 6-2, 6-4 loss to Bjorn Fratangelo and a 7-6(5), 7-5 loss to Luca Corinteli. These are HIGH blue chip players who are two years older than Deiton. I also see a 6-1, 6-2 loss to Alex Petrone, a blue chip 12th grader.

So, Deiton is doing as well against Kwok as much older blue chip recruits. Honestly, that surprises me, because I would have figured that the likes of Fratangelo, Corinteli and Petrone would put a 6-2, 6-2 beatdown on Deiton. I know that comparative scores of losses are not definitive, but let's not put down Deiton's win over Kwok.

Now Deiton plays a high 4-star, almost 5 star, 12th grader (Doehring) who has already signed with BYU. These are tough opponents for a 9th grader. Does that make Deiton another Nadal if he wins? No, but it at least means that by entering this tournament he is certainly not dodging potentially tough opponents. Perhaps he did in the past, no argument there. But not this week or next week at Carson.

Whatever garbage his dad might have posted on here, I am still rooting for Deiton to succeed, and I am going to give credit where credit is due when he wins.

I agree with you. Regardless, whether Kwok is chasing points or not, he is still an older kid with vast ITF experience. His record shows that he had some very weird losses and at one point lost 11 or 12 matches in a row, but on the other hand he did fare pretty well against Frantangelo who is also almost 18 years old, and had a tough match against Corinteli, who is 15 years old but still a blue chip.

Either way, that s a pretty good win for Baughman. Next week he will measure up against some more solid competition, although younger but tougher.
 
GO DEITON!!!!

I am very happy for him. Even if he loses the next round this shows that he is a contender and is not just playing lower ranked players.

TCF is the only one now that is still posting against him.

TCF and I didn't agree on some things over the years but I really liked and respected his advice on technique and fundamentals, as well as, his views on life in general.

But in the last month or so I have really lost total respect for him as a person.
He is now bragging on his daughter,
( bragging on your kids is great except that he bashed every other parent for doing that and now he is doing the same thing - not good!!) And now can't admit that maybe Deiton is having some good results. Just keeps bringing up one match from years ago against Kozlov.

He criticized Pro Tour one time - just bashed him for not admitting when he was wrong. And know TCF can’t admit when he is wrong. Weak!!!

TCF you are the biggest hypocrite that I have ever seen - and a weak individual that won't even say who you really are.
Very sad!!! You pick on posters and hide behind your computer. You bash kids and parents and then turn around and do the very same things that you are bashing others for.

I have lost all respect for you.
 
tennis-silver, if you lost respect then I am doing something right. You are an add nothing poster who simply waits to jump on my post. You ignore 1000 posts that give solid advice to juniors and their parents.

You wait for Brad and I to push each others buttons so you can pontificate about nothing. I really could not care less about your opinion.
 
Ha, this is comical. Brad is very, very clever. This is a garbage ITF.

You all can be politically correct, DB has played to tourny after tourny of carefully selected opponents. 80th ranked, 120th ranked, 300th ranked and on and on.

Kwok is a rich boy point chaser. When a kid can fly around to play 30 ITFs of the lowest grade to amass a pathetic 230 ITF points, that is a total joke. He obviously has some rich parent throwing money at him. So he pushed and made some matches close against some decent kids, thats what 10000 match playing point chasers learn to do. Big deal.

The FACT is that Deiton has not played many top ranked opponents since Stefan Kozlov destroyed him at the Eddie Herr years ago. Since that time it has been dodging and weaving. If he is in danger of losing to a kid Brad feels he should not lose to, he withdraws.

Carson is the FIRST real test in 3 years. If Brad lets him play it out we will see if he is any good.

Brad said he is the next American top pro. At almost 15 years old its time to start destroying top players like the ones at Carson.....not find the lowest level ITF, men's opens, or the 150th ranked 17 year old to beat.

I promise if he wins Carson I will NEVER say anything but nice things about Brad and DB ever again. I have no problem with bragging, just back it up and don't dodge the top kids for years.
 
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,If you understand the human mind its complexed yet simple , men hate when others sucseed where they haven't or can't and when they are a self-proclaimed expert and a non-expert is out doing them it really hurts.

The whole thing comes down to TCF having his feelings hurt and for that you all need to be gentle with him hes tender right now ,,, I as a friend of Mr.B and TCF think he is open to bagging on Deiton a kid he has never 'seen' play or met but goes on hear-say to round his opinion it's a Vannilla'Nova thing.

Anyways leave TCF alone truly its all good as for Carson will just have to see what happens from what I hear the kid has a fight coming up this weekend let's see if he keeps his knockout record going or ?
 
Ha, no biggie, just surprised you went there.

Just promise me you won't pull him from Carson and let him play all the top boys there. If he beats the Carson field than I will admit I have no clue! But the fact is at almost 15 he should be destroying every top player from age 14-18 if he is the next Nadal.

BTW your still not understanding the plan , a question how come the kid has not played in a couple of months yet has a couple of very decent results ? And. He's playing left handed in this ITF and he is not even Left handed not bad right.
 
BTW your still not understanding the plan , a question how come the kid has not played in a couple of months yet has a couple of very decent results ? And. He's playing left handed in this ITF and he is not even Left handed not bad right.

Here we go again, built in excuses. Playing left handed, cat just died.

Carson my friend, Carson. No excuses.

Play the top kids age 15-17 and beat them.
 
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,If you understand the human mind its complexed yet simple , men hate when others sucseed where they haven't or can't and when they are a self-proclaimed expert and a non-expert is out doing them it really hurts.

The whole thing comes down to TCF having his feelings hurt and for that you all need to be gentle with him hes tender right now ,,, I as a friend of Mr.B and TCF think he is open to bagging on Deiton a kid he has never 'seen' play or met but goes on hear-say to round his opinion it's a Vannilla'Nova thing.

Anyways leave TCF alone truly its all good as for Carson will just have to see what happens from what I hear the kid has a fight coming up this weekend let's see if he keeps his knockout record going or ?

I worked with a kid who is on a full ride to U of FL.

Lets talk when your boy does better than that in tennis. So far your accomplishments are being good at dodging the top 10 boys aged 15-17.
 
All the BS aside that I have read, Deiton, is a great player. He may or may not go pro or be a top pro in his adult life but that doesn't change the fact that he is a talented player. You don't get some of the big wins that he has or get blue chip status if you can't play.

I personally would never cheer for failure of a 15 year old. His dad might be crazy or have some odd ball traits that you personally don't like. I would focus the negative on him and revolve your discussions around that rather than looking 15 year old kid to fail for your personal pleasure.
 
All the BS aside that I have read, Deiton, is a great player. He may or may not go pro or be a top pro in his adult life but that doesn't change the fact that he is a talented player. You don't get some of the big wins that he has or get blue chip status if you can't play.

I personally would never cheer for failure of a 15 year old. His dad might be crazy or have some odd ball traits that you personally don't like. I would focus the negative on him and revolve your discussions around that rather than looking 15 year old kid to fail for your personal pleasure.

1. I offered to give him high praise and help him land a scholarship with one of the college coaches I know. Cheering for failure? What the heck are you even talking about? HIS RESULTS are that of a college bound player and I will help him reach that goal.

2. This discussion is between myself and his father, who has told me all US coaches are weak and clueless and only he knows how to build a champion. He started the nasty stuff, I am showing him he is full of BS. He has not developed his movement or his backhand like a real coach would have.

3. What big wins? I can't see one major tournament he has ever won. I don't see one win over a top 10 kid aged 15-17.

4. He is a solid college prospect. No one debates that. The discussion is his dad saying he is better than Nadal and will be #1. If you say that, win vs the top kids your age.
 
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But in the last month or so I have really lost total respect for him as a person.
He is now bragging on his daughter,
( bragging on your kids is great except that he bashed every other parent for doing that and now he is doing the same thing - not good!!)

I believe it has already been pointed out to you that there is a difference between bragging that your child is really good for her age, and claiming that she will be the next top American pro player. TCF has done the former, not the latter, and has only criticized parents who prematurely do the latter.

Are you intelligent enough to comprehend the difference, or will you continue posting this "hypocrisy" allegation over and over?
 
I believe it has already been pointed out to you that there is a difference between bragging that your child is really good for her age, and claiming that she will be the next top American pro player. TCF has done the former, not the latter, and has only criticized parents who prematurely do the latter.

Are you intelligent enough to comprehend the difference, or will you continue posting this "hypocrisy" allegation over and over?

Over and over but thanks for asking!!!

Just because this is what YOU think, does not mean that I agree.
 
I worked with a kid who is on a full ride to U of FL.

Lets talk when your boy does better than that in tennis. So far your accomplishments are being good at dodging the top 10 boys aged 15-17.

What kind of math do they teach at Vannila Nova ,, if my memory has it right he is now trying to plow through the 18's starting this year and for a kis a lot less experienced I would say he is having a nice start at the goal. .
 
I. Was watching this kid from Canada name Ranovick or something like that and I checked out his junior career not that stellar but hey he is on the tour ,,,,, not doing to bad .
 
Ha, this is comical. Brad is very, very clever. This is a garbage ITF.

You all can be politically correct, DB has played to tourny after tourny of carefully selected opponents. 80th ranked, 120th ranked, 300th ranked and on and on.

Kwok is a rich boy point chaser. When a kid can fly around to play 30 ITFs of the lowest grade to amass a pathetic 230 ITF points, that is a total joke. He obviously has some rich parent throwing money at him. So he pushed and made some matches close against some decent kids, thats what 10000 match playing point chasers learn to do. Big deal.

The FACT is that Deiton has not played many top ranked opponents since Stefan Kozlov destroyed him at the Eddie Herr years ago. Since that time it has been dodging and weaving. If he is in danger of losing to a kid Brad feels he should not lose to, he withdraws.

Carson is the FIRST real test in 3 years. If Brad lets him play it out we will see if he is any good.

Brad said he is the next American top pro. At almost 15 years old its time to start destroying top players like the ones at Carson.....not find the lowest level ITF, men's opens, or the 150th ranked 17 year old to beat.

I promise if he wins Carson I will NEVER say anything but nice things about Brad and DB ever again. I have no problem with bragging, just back it up and don't dodge the top kids for years.

I originally thought that Brad will pull the kid out of Carson to avoid the field, but then thought better of it and realized that DB was given a WC into that tourney, so USTA may not look favorably at a withdrawal and may withhold further favors. Brad will not take that chance, because otherwise the kid has no chance of making any of the higher level tourneys (ranking not high enough for 16 or 18s), and since he is 15 in a few weeks, he will not be able to use his 14 s ranking either.
 
I. Was watching this kid from Canada name Ranovick or something like that and I checked out his junior career not that stellar but hey he is on the tour ,,,,, not doing to bad .

I always enjoy your examples. Raonic won his first ITF at 14. Got to the 3rd round of the Eddie Herr 18s at age 15.

But here is the kicker, he did lose his share of matches at 12-13-14-15....because he played the TOP BOYS he could find. He was playing the #1-5 ranked 18s, not the 80th and 300th ranked 18s.
 
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I originally thought that Brad will pull the kid out of Carson to avoid the field, but then thought better of it and realized that DB was given a WC into that tourney, so USTA may not look favorably at a withdrawal and may withhold further favors. Brad will not take that chance, because otherwise the kid has no chance of making any of the higher level tourneys (ranking not high enough for 16 or 18s), and since he is 15 in a few weeks, he will not be able to use his 14 s ranking either.

Good point.

And this is the exact type of tourny he should play at every chance he gets. Some of the top boys his age are there. Once you can dominate them, then play up to the 18s.
 
I originally thought that Brad will pull the kid out of Carson to avoid the field, but then thought better of it and realized that DB was given a WC into that tourney, so USTA may not look favorably at a withdrawal and may withhold further favors. Brad will not take that chance, because otherwise the kid has no chance of making any of the higher level tourneys (ranking not high enough for 16 or 18s), and since he is 15 in a few weeks, he will not be able to use his 14 s ranking either.

I flew into town to work Deitons corner this weekend in San Pedro he should win and if no injuries occur he will play the tournament next week in Carson.

But you are correct you can not be stupid and produce a player like this kid and crapp on the road you 'have ' to ride to get to the pros .
 
Good point.

And this is the exact type of tourny he should play at every chance he gets. Some of the top boys his age are there. Once you can dominate them, then play up to the 18s.

The tournament is right across the street hhhmm. What should he do ? He applied for and 18s WC and was not awarded one for the 18's only the 16's what do you do?
 
I always enjoy your examples. Raonic won his first ITF at 14. Got to the 3rd round of the Eddie Herr 18s at age 15.

But here is the kicker, he did lose his share of matches at 12-13-14-15....because he played the TOP BOYS he could find. He was playing the #1-5 ranked 18s, not the 80th and 300th ranked 18s.

So let's see come into and ITF ranked outside a 1000 Oh wait not ranked ITF and go through 3 rounds knocking off the No.1 seed COUNTS FOR NOTHING LOLOLOL.
 
I flew into town to work Deitons corner this weekend in San Pedro he should win and if no injuries occur he will play the tournament next week in Carson.

But you are correct you can not be stupid and produce a player like this kid and crapp on the road you 'have ' to ride to get to the pros .

Injuries? The kid is supposed to be a top pro in about 4 years.

Surely he can play 2 junior tournaments on consecutive weekends.
 
The tournament is right across the street hhhmm. What should he do ? He applied for and 18s WC and was not awarded one for the 18's only the 16's what do you do?

Hmmm, what to do, what to do.

Hey I have an idea!! How about play the 16s and not worry about the 18s because he has never beaten the top 16s that are playing there!

Dude, you crack me up. There are 5-6 boys in the 16s field he will struggle to beat, let alone the 18s.
 
So let's see come into and ITF ranked outside a 1000 Oh wait not ranked ITF and go through 3 rounds knocking off the No.1 seed COUNTS FOR NOTHING LOLOLOL.

The #1 seed is a stiff for goodness sakes. The arch enemy of hard working guys like you. A rich point chaser whose parents fly him to 30 tournies so he can collect some ITF points at low level tournaments. The kid quit yesterday for goodness sakes.

ITF tournaments have levels or grades. The difference between the level you are playing and a Grade A ITF is light years.
 
Hmmm, what to do, what to do.

Hey I have an idea!! How about play the 16s and not worry about the 18s because he has never beaten the top 16s that are playing there!

Dude, you crack me up. There are 5-6 boys in the 16s field he will struggle to beat, let alone the 18s.

In the Carson 16 s acceptance list I can see way more than 5 or 6 kids that will probably be favorites in a match up with DB. And another 10 or so that will be a toss up.
 
oh yeah I forgot to bring this post back up after the results.


Originally Posted by SlapChop
DB delivers a bread stick and makes the boy quit

http://assets.usta.com/assets/1/15/B...20complete.pdf
I have to eat my words! Never expected this result! That is a beat down! Kwok is pretty solid and experienced player and he is 17 years old. Why did he quit at 5 2 in the second. He might as well have given Baughman his win without quiting.

Don t be so forgetful at such tender age! And if you have a moment, please find another post of mine that relates to this result! Be a doll!
 
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In the Carson 16 s acceptance list I can see way more than 5 or 6 kids that will probably be favorites in a match up with DB. And another 10 or so that will be a toss up.

Well you can see the excuses/reason for withdrawing already starting to build. He has mentioned the possibility of an injury.

He also is saying he really wanted a wild card into the 18s but they only would let him have the 16s WC. (implying the 16s is a waste of his time)

With his long track record, you can see all the ground work being laid for a reason to dodge those top 16 boys....yet again.
 
The ITF he is playing has marcos giron, number 1 recruit in the country, so there is at least one person who is at an extremely high level.
 
The ITF he is playing has marcos giron, number 1 recruit in the country, so there is at least one person who is at an extremely high level.

Nice, didn't see him in the field....Marcos is way, way, way, way better than the #1 seed Kwok. Giron beat my buddy Bangoura Jr. in Kalamazoo.

If Deiton can beat Giron I will believe everything Brad has ever said!
 
Injuries? The kid is supposed to be a top pro in about 4 years.

Surely he can play 2 junior tournaments on consecutive weekends.

He has to climb into a cage this Sat night and fight for 3 rnds there is allways a possible injuriy waiting in the dark .

But he should be ok he is playing tennis right now with a broken index finger but anything more then that I will advise the kid and his dad to rest .
 
Over and over but thanks for asking!!!

Just because this is what YOU think, does not mean that I agree.

It is not a matter of opinion. It is a matter of fact. Either you can produce posts in which TCF bashed parents for saying "my kid is really good for his age; lots of adults ooh and ahh when they see him hit" or you cannot.
 
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It is not a matter of opinion. It is a matter of fact. Either you can produce posts in which TCF bashed parents for saying "my kid is really good for his age; lots of adults ooh and ahh when they see him hit" or you cannot.

What are you saying does he put down Mr.Baughman , or Mr.Silva for believing in their kids and says they won't amount to anything more then a D2 college or Deiton looked horrible agains JIsner just look back a couple of post don't need to go to far for that one .

Yes he has allready started stirring the water his little girl at 3yrs old can hit baseline to baseline she is the coming one .
 
Overall I hope some parent/coach can produce a great player for the USA ,, I hope TCF does it anyone will do cause its hard enough what I see these kids going through I wish them all the best even Mr.TCF himself .
 
Nice, didn't see him in the field....Marcos is way, way, way, way better than the #1 seed Kwok. Giron beat my buddy Bangoura Jr. in Kalamazoo.

If Deiton can beat Giron I will believe everything Brad has ever said!

They played a very tight match a couple of years back if the kid makes it to the finals and Marcos does should be interesting .
 
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What are you saying does he put down Mr.Baughman , or Mr.Silva for believing in their kids and says they won't amount to anything more then a D2 college or Deiton looked horrible agains JIsner just look back a couple of post don't need to go to far for that one .

Yes he has already started stirring the water his little girl at 3yrs old can hit baseline to baseline she is the coming one .

Mr. Silva should have listened to me, would have saved him a ton of problems in his personal life. You don't move to France because a 5 year old can hit a slowly fed ball. He was another dad who told everyone they were clueless and he was a genius because his toddler could hit a ball. See a theme here? Braggers who act tough and have not won anything get rougher treatment.

You told us the boy was hitting shots Isner could barely return, I corrected you and injected some dose of reality.

When you come on and tell us all American coaches are worthless and weak, do not expect to be met with flower petals.
 
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He has to climb into a cage this Sat night and fight for 3 rnds there is allways a possible injuriy waiting in the dark .

But he should be ok he is playing tennis right now with a broken index finger but anything more then that I will advise the kid and his dad to rest .

Oh yeah, this is setting up nicely for a withdrawal.

No way in the world you let the boy play any top kid his age and lose at Carson. The minute the match goes wrong, somehow, some way, you will pull him. And even if he does play and loses you will have 20 excuses.

Make you a deal....let him play Carson full out, if he wins I eat crow....if he loses you don't make even one excuse.
 
Mr. Silva should have listened to me, would have saved him a ton of problems in his personal life. You don't move to France because a 5 year old can hit a slowly fed ball.

You told us the boy was hitting shots Isner could barely return, I corrected you and injected some dose of reality.

When you come on and tell us all American coaches are worthless and weak, do not expect to be met with flower petals.

If your a product of your coaching hows the tennis in the USA ? So who do we say is worthless our lovely esteemed children or the coaches you have to pick one product which one is it ?
 
Oh yeah, this is setting up nicely for a withdrawal.

No way in the world you let the boy play any top kid his age and lose at Carson. The minute the match goes wrong, somehow, some way, you will pull him. And even if he does play and loses you will have 20 excuses.

Make you a deal....let him play Carson full out, if he wins I eat crow....if he loses you don't make even one excuse.

Still waiting for the video of your WORK ?
 
If your a product of your coaching hows the tennis in the USA ? So who do we say is worthless our lovely esteemed children or the coaches you have to pick one product which one is it ?

Last time I checked coaches based in the US at IMG and Saddlebrook have produced tons of top players, kids from all over come to train at IMG Bradenton. So if Jan was a true talent, IMG would have grabbed him when he was older.

The problem with US tennis not producing top players is that our best athletes are not playing tennis.
 
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