Is there a way to find a record of this? Its hard to believe that 2 years ago a 7th grader could contest a tight match with a top 5 sophomore in the country.
Carson and Easter Bowl Acceptance
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Is there a way to find a record of this? Its hard to believe that 2 years ago a 7th grader could contest a tight match with a top 5 sophomore in the country.
TennisCoachFLA
Banned
Well I can find no record of them ever playing in the last 3 years.
http://tennislink.usta.com/tourname...11&firstname=de&middlename=&lastname=baughman
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Once again, it's his own imaginary world. Now the excuse is out! Long week, "climbing in the cage" DB out!
Giron won a three setter. plays Aragone who is playing very well. Should be interesting. DB lost in a tight three setter. Still a pretty good tournament for him, considering he won 3 matches and lost the fourth in a tight contest. Let's wait and see if he will play next week in Carson. I hope he does, would be good for him to measure up against some good 14, 15 and 16 year olds.
FlashJones
New User
We really hope Deiton plays next wk.
He has a long way to go and a short time to get there with the current team. To many distractions from the "camp" and not enough "actions" are certain to show up as the players they meet get stronger.
It is unfortunate that so many coach's that could be a benefit to Deiton actually know nothing at all about tennis according to the self taught never played coach he has now.
Soon enough the drama shall unfold and the next chapter of this ongoing tragedy will once again unfold on the Internet platform for all to see.
He has a long way to go and a short time to get there with the current team. To many distractions from the "camp" and not enough "actions" are certain to show up as the players they meet get stronger.
It is unfortunate that so many coach's that could be a benefit to Deiton actually know nothing at all about tennis according to the self taught never played coach he has now.
Soon enough the drama shall unfold and the next chapter of this ongoing tragedy will once again unfold on the Internet platform for all to see.
Is this MMA or Tennis?
TennisCoachFLA
Banned
Okay, once again the results prove me right. DB beats some 90-120th ranked 16-17 year olds, loses to others. Doehring is the 90th ranked boy, a nice player, but the next Nadal should crush him like a tin can.
DB is a good tennis player, has nice results for a kid who will be 15 in a few weeks. Perfect results for a kid who has a real good shot at a college scholarship if his grades are solid. That is not the results of a kid whose dad should be telling him that "college is not an option".
He never played Giron that any of us can find. Giron would destroy him. Giron is good enough to beat Sekou Bangoura, Jr. and I can guarantee you Sekou would beat DB like a drum.
DB will not play Carson. No way in heck Brad lets him lose to the 90th ranked 17 year old and then go get spanked by the 5th ranked 15 year old. Mark my words, he will not complete the Carson tourny. He will either be pulled before hand or withdrawn in the first match he is behind.
The illusion and delusions get weaker as the kid reaches 15, the age where the top pros were owning junior slams and Orange Bowl 18s and Herr 18s and top ITFs. I really hope his dad is bluffing about not letting him apply to colleges.
DB is a good tennis player, has nice results for a kid who will be 15 in a few weeks. Perfect results for a kid who has a real good shot at a college scholarship if his grades are solid. That is not the results of a kid whose dad should be telling him that "college is not an option".
He never played Giron that any of us can find. Giron would destroy him. Giron is good enough to beat Sekou Bangoura, Jr. and I can guarantee you Sekou would beat DB like a drum.
DB will not play Carson. No way in heck Brad lets him lose to the 90th ranked 17 year old and then go get spanked by the 5th ranked 15 year old. Mark my words, he will not complete the Carson tourny. He will either be pulled before hand or withdrawn in the first match he is behind.
The illusion and delusions get weaker as the kid reaches 15, the age where the top pros were owning junior slams and Orange Bowl 18s and Herr 18s and top ITFs. I really hope his dad is bluffing about not letting him apply to colleges.
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Once he is old enough ... say 16-17 he can make up his own mind about college. Once reality kicks in, college is a good option regardless of what his dad thinks.
TennisCoachFLA
Banned
I sure hope so. But his dad is a very aggressive guy. It will take a strong kid to stand up to him after all these years of saying "the pros or nothing".
WARPWOODIE
Rookie
I've followed the DB threads with a lot of interest, so here is my bit of input...
The college tennis scene is loaded with lots of foreign players who have played top ITF events in their juniors....if anything DB may have to compete against the very same kids for spots in top D-1 schools and in even in the line up. I would have him play college and if he has "it", say in a year or two, he can do what McEnroe did, opt for pros after two years at Stanford. Bottomline, don't take the college option out of the equation.
Hi,
I read all of these posts with great sadness because it seems like you guys would love it if DB does not make it. I am not sure if any of you guys have seen Deiton played at all to comment on his future as a tennis player. I have seen Deiton for the past two years and his physical growth and his tennis maturity growth are leading me to think that, at this progressing pace, he should skip college in a few years and give the pros a shot. No one can accurately predict a young kid for a tennis professional career because there are so much variables that need to fall into place perfectly. Now from what I have seen, this kid has a very bright future in tennis. The only question I have is his mobility - if he can solve this within the next two years as his body quits growing, he will be a beast to deal with on the court.
If he shows serious successes in the ITF juniors as his tennis game gets better in the next year, Brad should absolutely bring his boy to the "show". As DB goes deep in Orange Bowl, Eddie Herr, the jr grand slams, etc ..., he is ready for the men's game. As the saying goes "only time will tell" but my money is on DB.
I read all of these posts with great sadness because it seems like you guys would love it if DB does not make it. I am not sure if any of you guys have seen Deiton played at all to comment on his future as a tennis player. I have seen Deiton for the past two years and his physical growth and his tennis maturity growth are leading me to think that, at this progressing pace, he should skip college in a few years and give the pros a shot. No one can accurately predict a young kid for a tennis professional career because there are so much variables that need to fall into place perfectly. Now from what I have seen, this kid has a very bright future in tennis. The only question I have is his mobility - if he can solve this within the next two years as his body quits growing, he will be a beast to deal with on the court.
If he shows serious successes in the ITF juniors as his tennis game gets better in the next year, Brad should absolutely bring his boy to the "show". As DB goes deep in Orange Bowl, Eddie Herr, the jr grand slams, etc ..., he is ready for the men's game. As the saying goes "only time will tell" but my money is on DB.
FlashJones
New User
You, my friend have a reading comp. problem if you say you are paying attention to the DB threads and that is your take from them. It is about the father,PERIOD!! Once in a while you will encounter normal parental enthusiasm about the game play of one of their own but the thing that set BB apart was the seriousness of the statement about the boat. A few other oddly placed shenanigans too but the yacht statement told me everything. It's only time is right. I hope Deiton has success but it will not transpire with the current route. Sorry to doubt you or BB but April 1 was yesterday!
TennisCoachFLA
Banned
Your money is on DB? Really? So you are willing to pay his bills and bank on him being a top pro? Go for it.
Come on now, you have things backwards. You don't skip college when you routinely lose to 90th ranked US boys, have never won a top tourny, and have limited mobility. You GO to college and if you happen to become way, way better than you can try a few challengers. This tourny was like all the rest, beat some low ranked older boys, lose to a low ranked older boy.
Giron won easily, he was the best player in the tournament. Even he should aim for college and not the pros, and he is way, way better than DB.
Keysmickey
Rookie
The "my kid is going to be the next....(pro)" attitude in the US is way out of control. I was STILL running into these parents in Florida State designated's in the 16's and 18's, but guess what? If your kid is entering a State designated or sectional and not winning easily, the 'pro future' is very, very, very suspect. College needs to be a prize (and not just a consolation) in the eyes of the USTA and its membership. Being an American pro is just such a minimal possibility it's sad that this is still the main goal of the USTA.
TennisCoachFLA
Banned
The high performance program could be the biggest waste of money I have ever seen. They say it is to find the next top pro. Spend tons of money for a few kids who will then go play for college for free. Thats the most expensive college player training program on earth!
Tennishacker
Professional
Brad, it's time to get serious!
If it's Deitons wish to become a pro, then it's time you hand him off.
Living in Socal, there are many people that can help/guide Deiton.
You've done a great job so far, but he needs a new "team" that can take him to the next level.
If it's Deitons wish to become a pro, then it's time you hand him off.
Living in Socal, there are many people that can help/guide Deiton.
You've done a great job so far, but he needs a new "team" that can take him to the next level.
Tennishacker
Professional
Yup, with the new NCAA rule, (have to commit to college within 6 months of graduation of high school) you see about half of the High Performance girls commit to college, while the others turn pro.
Best feeder program for college tennis!
The draws are out for Carson. Deiton should cruise through the first two rounds.
Second round would be against the #3 seed. Third round would be against the #13 seed.
Why did you say he would cruise through the first two rounds? Seems like he will cruise for 1 round or 3 rounds, but 2 rounds is an odd prediction. Are the seedings way off? Is the #3 seed weak and the #13 seed strong?
TCF
"my money is on DB" is just my way of saying that if Deiton continues at the rate he is improving, he will be in the pro tour within two years. I saw him last year at Carson and I saw him this year at Claremont. I was astounded and really shocked at his physical growth and, more importantly, his improvement as a tennis player. From what I have seen, he is on a pace that will surpass the Kevin Andersons and the John Isners of the tennis world. No matter what you think of his dad, the guy has given Deiton strong tennis fundamentals to work with. This kid knows how to load properly, uses the ground to unload on his groundies, has the proper angles to maximize his "power zone" on his strokes and it looks like he has a great head on his shoulders. I talked to Brad off and on and from what I can tell, he gets his kicks from yanking all of your chains around. I am certain that if all Deiton can achieve is a D1 college scholarship, Brad will be tickled pink. If Deiton can work on his court coverage and his offensive transition from baseline to net and be good at it, Brad will be ticked green.
Oh the comment on Giron - I am sure that Marcos can beat Deiton now but it might not be the case in one year. The upside on Deiton is far greater than the upside on Marcos. Let us not judge DB now but let his tennis game grow and see where he ends up in two years time. You all might all be very right or very wrong.
"my money is on DB" is just my way of saying that if Deiton continues at the rate he is improving, he will be in the pro tour within two years. I saw him last year at Carson and I saw him this year at Claremont. I was astounded and really shocked at his physical growth and, more importantly, his improvement as a tennis player. From what I have seen, he is on a pace that will surpass the Kevin Andersons and the John Isners of the tennis world. No matter what you think of his dad, the guy has given Deiton strong tennis fundamentals to work with. This kid knows how to load properly, uses the ground to unload on his groundies, has the proper angles to maximize his "power zone" on his strokes and it looks like he has a great head on his shoulders. I talked to Brad off and on and from what I can tell, he gets his kicks from yanking all of your chains around. I am certain that if all Deiton can achieve is a D1 college scholarship, Brad will be tickled pink. If Deiton can work on his court coverage and his offensive transition from baseline to net and be good at it, Brad will be ticked green.
Oh the comment on Giron - I am sure that Marcos can beat Deiton now but it might not be the case in one year. The upside on Deiton is far greater than the upside on Marcos. Let us not judge DB now but let his tennis game grow and see where he ends up in two years time. You all might all be very right or very wrong.
TennisCoachFLA
Banned
A kid who is 15 in 2 weeks, has never won a top tournament, is slow, and routinely loses to 90th ranked USTA kids. Yes, that screams "upside" and "pro tour in 2 years". No, it actually screams keep your grades up and pray a good college coach looks your way.
In 2 years there will still be 5000 boys aged 15-19 around the world better than him. Geez Brad, at least try and cover your screen names with posts that at least dabble in reality.
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I actually misspoke and I apologize for that. I do know he will beat the first opponent rather easy, since the kid has no weapons to hurt Deiton and is not fast enough to cover the court and have Deiton hit an extra shot. Second match is not an easy one but I do think that Deiton can beat the 3 seed. Redlicki is a lefty version of Deiton's body type, but a little stronger physically and taller and has more umf on the forehand. If Deiton gets by 3 seed, Redlicki is a slight favorite.
GRANITECHIEF
Hall of Fame
These are some pretty nice looking draws!
http://assets.usta.com/assets/1/15/Boys 18s Main Draw2.PDF
http://assets.usta.com/assets/1/15/Boys 16s Main Draw2.PDF
Nice work by Giron again taking out #5 seed.
http://assets.usta.com/assets/1/15/Boys 18s Main Draw2.PDF
http://assets.usta.com/assets/1/15/Boys 16s Main Draw2.PDF
Nice work by Giron again taking out #5 seed.
TennisCoachFLA
Banned
Zoo Tennis said Giron was playing in front of his future UCLA coach, thats pretty nice motivation!
Number1Coach
Banned
I think I will go with the 3 seed you can not continue to play with a broken index finger and do well.
Deiton is a great kid but these kids are to experienced and you have to be a 100 %.
Number1Coach
Banned
How many times have you seen him play WITH YOUR OWN EYES ? A simple question...... now remember what we would think of a judge who listen to hear-say or did not look at the evidence.
Number1Coach
Banned
Rick Macci is a rip off the USTA HP is a joke , you can't do it on your own ,SO how do you have a goal and dream and go after it ?
Keysmickey
Rookie
You want a formula?
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TennisCoachFLA
Banned
Do exactly what you are doing as far as training goes, just eliminate the part where he does not play all the top players his age and wait until he actually starts dominating the top tournaments BEFORE you make any claims of having top pro potential.
TennisCoachFLA
Banned
Results sir, results. I have seen his videos and seen his results. So far, it looks like a college player.
If he starts dominating the top 18s in the next year or so, great. Until then, keep the college option front and center.
GRANITECHIEF
Hall of Fame
If D is still up for Easter bowl, ask him if he wants to play doubles with the number 1 player in the 16's in USTA NorCal, who just happens to be a kid i know.
TennisCoachFLA
Banned
Brad...why do you do this over and over again? You have become the stereotypical dodger. He is ALWAYS hurt or some other excuse against the top boys his age, or withdrawn when his "mouth" just happens to be bad while he is losing.
Go through his record, I bet every third boy he has ever beaten was injured in some way. Its part of tennis. I am sure we could take away a bunch of his wins if we knew the excuses the other boys had. Except we never hear from those dads so you are free to take credit for every win and use an excuse for every loss. Its always something...his opponent lying about his age, an injury, something.
I predicted it the second you enrolled him in the 16s at Carson...I said Brad will never let him complete that tournament and let him play it out without either withdrawing him or having some injury or other excuse.
Geez, you could have made me a liar by just one time letting him play the top boys his age without making some sort of excuse in case he loses.
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The broken index finger is holding up pretty well. Deiton now won 6 or 7 matches, more than he has ever put together. And there were matches that went long three sets. I doubt that someone, even, a pro can win that many matches with an actual "broken" index finger.
I do want to say, that these wins that he put together, were by far more impressive than any other ones he had so far. He must be playing way better than before, and probably improved significantly in couple of areas. Good job!
Please do not spoil all that by pulling out a lame "broken index finger excuse". Last year this time, when he lost in Easter Bowl, it was a broken toe. You have to be careful around end of March or beginning of April!. It seems like he always breaks a finger or a toe around this time!
Number1Coach
Banned
Number1Coach
Banned
Will a 3 seed count ?
Number1Coach
Banned
How do you like your crow BBQ sauce or with grits?
OH wait knowing you it had to be the no. 1 or No,2 seeds the 3 does not count RIGHT ?
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I watched the match. I heard the DB Boosters yelling "go champ." I heard DB yelling come on and fist pumping pretty much any chance he had -- and I thought that was typical junior tennis, wish he'd done that less.
Now, I had never seen DB before. IMHO, he has some size, and potential. Have to give that to him. BH was very smooth, but punted (sliced) when attacked, and 90% of balls below the waist. Rally FH seemed good, Berdich like, but became very erratic when he tried to flatten it out. Serve -- no first serve to speak of, twisted everything, but it was a good twist. Overheads? Missed every single one badly (i saw three). Movement? Well, he never went foreward (ok, maybe once or twice, and on most of those occasions missed overheads). Didn't seem to me he handled low balls all that well (better with his 2H BH than FH).
Biggest issue was that he was stuck 15 feet behind the baseline, not punishing with the FH, and not closing, at all. In fact, he was backing up most of the time.
On the match score, his opponent won the first set, was down 4-1 or so in the second, came back to 5-4, was up 4-1 in the tiebreak and lost 7-4. Did I mention DB called the trainer at 5-5 deuce in that second set? He did, broke the kid's momentum rather effectively. Looked like a back or side/ab thing.
Next set the opponent was up 5-2. Opponent clutched, big time. DB got it to a tiebreak and won that 7-0. Can you take away the win. No, absolutely not. Did he win without his best game? Can't say, never seen him play before. Did his opponent get tight and fail to close. Yes, you couldn't watch that match and come to any other conclusion.
Would I watch him again, yes, probably. Did he seem to have other juniors watching and supporting him? Yes he did. I have no idea whether he'll succeed, or better yet, how to define that success. I do wish him luck.
Now, I had never seen DB before. IMHO, he has some size, and potential. Have to give that to him. BH was very smooth, but punted (sliced) when attacked, and 90% of balls below the waist. Rally FH seemed good, Berdich like, but became very erratic when he tried to flatten it out. Serve -- no first serve to speak of, twisted everything, but it was a good twist. Overheads? Missed every single one badly (i saw three). Movement? Well, he never went foreward (ok, maybe once or twice, and on most of those occasions missed overheads). Didn't seem to me he handled low balls all that well (better with his 2H BH than FH).
Biggest issue was that he was stuck 15 feet behind the baseline, not punishing with the FH, and not closing, at all. In fact, he was backing up most of the time.
On the match score, his opponent won the first set, was down 4-1 or so in the second, came back to 5-4, was up 4-1 in the tiebreak and lost 7-4. Did I mention DB called the trainer at 5-5 deuce in that second set? He did, broke the kid's momentum rather effectively. Looked like a back or side/ab thing.
Next set the opponent was up 5-2. Opponent clutched, big time. DB got it to a tiebreak and won that 7-0. Can you take away the win. No, absolutely not. Did he win without his best game? Can't say, never seen him play before. Did his opponent get tight and fail to close. Yes, you couldn't watch that match and come to any other conclusion.
Would I watch him again, yes, probably. Did he seem to have other juniors watching and supporting him? Yes he did. I have no idea whether he'll succeed, or better yet, how to define that success. I do wish him luck.
very interesting account of the match, finally from someone who actually witnessed it. I have observed the kid play on two or three occasions and pretty much had the same conclusions. I thought that for the size of the kid that DB is , he should at least attempt to be aggressive. His body and size do not fit the style! Feels much more comfortable 6-10 feet behind the baseline and when ventures forward looks awkward or uncomfortable. From baseline to service line, moving into the court and finishing the points at the net, overhead or volley wise, is where DB has most trouble. Serve is certainly nowhere near the 120 that is being presented by some on these boards. It s more like 100 at best, second serve sits up.
All these areas could be certainly improved on, he is only 15 so time will tell.
Btw, new guy, did you notice any bandages or any signs of a "broken index finger"?
No, just the back/side, couldn't tell the extent of that injury, and that came at a pretty significant moment in the match. Seemed to bother him most when he missed. On the movement, DB was getting killed on when his opponent hit DB a deep cross-court FH/shorter cross-court angle BH combination. Movement to the second shot was sketchy.
I too did not understand the failure to come forward -- didn't he have some good results at Easter doubles?
And, FWIW, no dog in the fight, just thought some might appreciate content.
I too did not understand the failure to come forward -- didn't he have some good results at Easter doubles?
And, FWIW, no dog in the fight, just thought some might appreciate content.
Number1Coach
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Spot on ..... I saw the match also 2 of the overheads and 6 yr old would have made . He played to much like Nadal way behind the baseline it was and absolute joke to do in junior tennis. But in the end he got it done .
BTW anyone else want to join TCF for some cajun crow ?
Number1Coach
Banned
I do have a thought on all DB does wrong and all the No.3 seed did right DB walked out with the balls !
Hey did you see Nadal double fault against Djoke in a moment that cost him the match no dout what a blow it and this guy is no.1 in the world . I guess its part of the game.
TennisCoachFLA
Banned
Do you know the difference between SEEDS and actual 16s RANKINGS?
Nothing has changed. As predicted you set everything up with an excuse, now it is his index finger. So if he wins, he is amazing. If he loses, he was hurt. Your act has not changed a bit.
I heard the #3 seed had just lost his dog and has 3 broken index fingers, yeah he was born with an extra one. So I guess we have to discount DBs win since the other boy had even more excuses!!
By the way we are talking about beating the 1,2,3 RANKED boys in the 16s....not the top 1,2,3 SEEDS in any tournament. Big difference. He has not beaten the top 1,2,3 ranked 16s in this tournament yet.
Go play the Herr 16s next year, then you can talk about his status among the best 16s.
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Number1Coach
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Your act remains the same also but worse then that your word as a man is worthless .....you said he would lose to a top player no.3 seed ...you would eat crow .....even TennisCP said the kid would lose to Kwok ....then said he stood corrected tenniscp is what you call a man of his word ,you are a joke . Best thing you could do is see if Mr. Baughman could teach you some coaching skills so you will have something with substance.
Number1Coach
Banned
Make you a deal let him play Carson ! I EAT CROW ......START EATING
TennisCoachFLA
Banned
Pretty much what I said from his videos and results. Backhand is a bunt under pressure. Not a very good mover.
Solid player. Should land a nice scholarship. Certainly not a kid whose dad should be saying college is not an option, the pros or nothing.
No matter what criteria you look at, videos, results, my coaching buddies who have seen him at IMG and Evert's, your analysis.....its all the same, solid college prospect, nothing to show he is like Nadal who was beating pros at age 15.
TennisCoachFLA
Banned
You have reading comprehension issues. My posts did not disappear, everyone can go back and read them and see that you are lying.
I said you would either pull him from Carson, but if you did let him play you would either withdraw him from the first match he was losing, and if you did let him play it out, you would make excuses like injury.
So you have already made my prediction 100% true. As predicted....broken index finger....if he loses later in the tournament, excuse. So the guy who should eat crow is you my friend. The sad thing is you could have made me eat crow....by NOT making excuses of injury.
Show me one post where I said he would not beat any #3 seeds at Carson? There isn't any. Again...16s rankings and tournament seeds are not the same thing.
In fact I said that if he is the next Nadal he should destroy the Carson field. Lets see him do it.
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TennisCoachFLA
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Brad....why are you even bragging about beating Goldoff? He is the 48th ranked kid in his class and like 1100 USTA ranking in the 18s.
Come on dude, you can do better than that!
Come on dude, you can do better than that!
