Carson and Easter Bowl Acceptance
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Hiding out, as he should be. No, this is his way of operation. Scam and burn as many people as possible. You haven't known him as long as some on this board have. I sure hope the USTA finds out about this. Shouldn't he be penalized?
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TennisCoachFLA
Banned
At this point I am more concerned about the kid then penalizing the dad. The boy is 15 in a few days. These are the years he needs to build his resume for college coaches.
I hope he plays enough 16s and 18s where the top schools will look to recruit him.
FlashJones
New User
It looks to be sooner than later that the Dad is for sure going to toss the kids future. This is unreal to have watched but it's not the first nor shall it be the last. Unfortunate news for a soon to be 15 yr old boy who appears to be nothing more than dad's puppet!
TennisCoachFLA
Banned
I know. The first round opponent was a high school freshman that he beat. Then a second round loss. A total waste. Instead of fighting it out with top 16s.
Sadly, this is heading exactly where many of us feared years ago.
TennisCoachFLA
Banned
I think after saying the boy was going to be 15 in December and then someone found his birthday was April....followed by claiming a broken finger while entering a men's open the same date as you withdrew from a top USTA tourny, even he does not have the stones to come back here.
At this point its beyond the dad's silly act. You hope the boy does not blow his chance at a full ride to a good school.
chalkflewup
Hall of Fame
Unconfirmed but just heard that Escobedo beat Henrik Wiersholm in the Boys 14 Finals 3&1.
Oh, you can't think BB would be embarrassed by his words or actions, can you? If that were the case, neither this thread, nor its predecessor, "Talked to Brad," would ever have existed. Geez, don't spoil the fun: I can't wait to hear the story. The family masseusse (sp?) is a great narrative device, worthy of Fitzgerald, and "he" should have a perfectly-thought through explanation followed by a bizarre *******-contest challenge, all in BB's signature crazyfracturedsyntax, any time now.
Jen10isFan
New User
Escobedo won 4 and 1. I have not seen Escobedo play. Heard that Escobedo is older (aging up in a couple months) and bigger than Henrik, but then again, Henrik usually handles the bigger players well, so Escobedo must be good. Congratulations!
chalkflewup
Hall of Fame
Escobedo had to be the favorite going into the tournament in spite of his 7 seed. He's a 16s player and too strong for the field. He didn't lose a set and all of his wins were definitive. Congrats to tbs kid!
TennisCoachFLA
Banned
Marcos Giron...how is that for a good model for young DB? He played the top boys, he is now on a roll, will get to compete in the junior slams. Already set up at UCLA. He has every option, play some college, get bigger and stronger, if his game keeps evolving, the pros are right there at any time.
Bash and Crash
Semi-Pro
Wow one long but good thread, have to agree with TCF on most of this, good example was a local girl here in NorCal who was top junior, played up all along and dominated her age group, but still home schooled I think. Then gave tour a shot for a year or so and I think is going to Stanford next year with full ride, or so I've heard. Link to her at ITF http://www.itftennis.com/womens/players/player.asp?player=100116048
jigglypuff
Rookie
He would be a very good model for pretty much everyone. Humble, hard working, and can ball. His height is the only question mark, but pretty much everything else is rock solid.
chalkflewup
Hall of Fame
What about Ferrer's height?
Is this thread dying? Bring back the NumberOne Coach!
jigglypuff
Rookie
Exactly... who else? 1/10 is not very good odds to me. In the top 20, only two are less than 6'.
Is entering two tournaments at a time illegal and could constitute suspension points? Believe that is a rule, a little shady to get a WC w/d and then enter another tournament???
TennisCoachFLA
Banned
I think since it was a men's open and not another USTA junior tournament, he is okay with that. But it most likely eliminates future wild cards.
I don't think there is a distinction between jr and senior tournaments. I'm pretty sure the rule just specifies not entering two 'sanctioned' tournaments at the same time, and the Open tourney he played was sanctioned. He might have some wiggle room since he was a WC and wasn't officially 'entered', not sure about the rule there, if there is one.
TennisCoachFLA
Banned
And he withdrew before he entered the open. I don't think it matters. I think dad's goal was to anger the USTA, not get any more wild cards, and now he has an excuse to dodge the top kids and keep hope alive.
TennisCoachFLA
Banned
I haven't been following this new event lately .. I'm sort of surprised by BB's move.. maybe Deit needed some time off from JR. tennis..
I hope he is keeping his academics up at least.
With the stated goals in mind, that is not a possibility at age 15 in my view.
TennisCoachFLA
Banned
I am hoping BB is bluffing about no college. But the moves lately seem to indicate otherwise.
Please explain. Sounded like he's still playing men's open.
TennisCoachFLA
Banned
Brad said that you can't aim for two targets at once, college and the pros. The boy has mentioned college, Brad said he told him to "save that talk for his mother". Pros or bust.
By pulling out of the USTA tourny and entering men's opens the same date, he will anger the USTA. Thus, no future wild cards. Thus no way to gain entry into top 16s and 18s tournaments since he is not ranked high enough to get in.
So if you don't play juniors, dad says no college, how can a college coach at a top program recruit him with so many other choices both top USTA and foreign boys? Losing in the 1st or 2nd round of men's opens is not going to put you on the radar much.
This move charts the no college path perfectly.
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Ok, you meant the bluffing, not "no college" :-?. Right, I don't think anything has changed.
TennisCoachFLA
Banned
Yeah its almost like we know the kid after all these years. If that was my kid, I would dream about him playing for UCLA, being a BMOC, meeting beautiful girls, getting a great degree, tons of networking, going onto a great job. What an amazing opportunity his tennis could give him.
Beats the heck out of slubbing around futures and challengers to end up ranked 976th in the world and making $1200.
I would agree with Brad that the two goals are mutually exclusive, especially at age 15. The risk/reward of becoming a successful professional is a no brainer as you illustrated. And it's not like you can walk up to the UCLA admissions office and say "let me in" without any academic credentials if things don't work out later!
a lot of people here thinks that college is a guarantee for success .. do you think most D1 coaches and admin. really give a damn about the player after their 4 years are up? those D1 are just using you to fill their own agenda .. unless the player goes fulltime summer school plus,there is no way a competitive D1 player is gonna finish with a meaningful degree in 4 years..
TennisCoachFLA
Banned
Yes, you need to go to summer school or take an extra year to finish your degree. But the networking and head start on a degree are well worth it.
There are no guarantees for success. But 4 years paid for at UCLA are a nice start.
Interesting comment. Sure, they fill their own agenda, but they also present the kid with an opportunity... what he makes of it is up to him, why should they care?
No way a competitive D1 player gonna finish with a meaningful degree? Ever heard of Kaes van't Hof?
TennisCoachFLA
Banned
Isner played college tennis. Querrey turned down his scholarship and went pro. Both ways can work.
But the key is that you have the results at age 14-15 that warrant the gamble. Querrey won the 16s Easter Bowl at 14 and eventually rose to a high ITF ranking before making his decision. He was #2 USTA 16s rank and #5 USTA 18s ranked at one point.
I have always told Brad that if his boy dominated the 16s and 18s, then go for it. Sadly, he won't even let the kid try.
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My take is that in the current environment, that would just be a phenomenal achievement!
As a casual observer, it seems to me that the top college guys (many foreign) are just parking themselves there for a couple of years to see how their game develops. Probably never serious about getting an education, unlike the majority of us who are weak minded
.all I'm saying with my previous post is that ,when a kid goes to college,have them think education ,not tennis.. tennis will surely get in the way .. not too many make such a success in real life after D1 college tennis career .. yes sure I wish all those kids can do like Andrew Park ,who won the NCAA with USC and is now a doctor .. maybe 1 of him out of hundreds .. it's really tough to juggle both ,high level tennis and high level studies .. D1 schools are so competitive now in tennis and academics and playing catch up at a topnotch school is going to be impossible if their focus is not 100% on studies..
Ok, by those yardsticks if the odds of success for going to college and playing tennis are "one in hundreds", what do you think the odds of success are for NOT going to college and playing tennis?
Most guys i know that play tennis and didnt go to college ended up as a teaching pro at a local club. Grinding days teaching and feeding balls to middle age women. Even if you don't finish college, its an experience you must take.
I'm guessing your friends are the lucky ones. In our area, clubs are hurting for members with the economic downturn. Pros have to compete for business with these guys that are willing to take $30-$40 an hour... A manager at McDonalds probably makes more than that with bennies!
orangecounty.craigslist.org/search/bbb?query=tennis+lessons&srchType=A
I believe that. There's probably alot more tennis players where you live than where i live.
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Freak4tennis
Guest
You need to be very cautious. Buyer beware on this one. I just googled one of the phone numbers listed in that ad and wow what an eye full. This guy has ads for everything from tennis lessons, to italian lessons, driving errands, and even as a house sitter. I think he also had one as an escort.
By the way, I'm not a teaching pro so I have no interest in this at all.
TennisCoachFLA
Banned
Makes no sense. The entire reason for getting a scholarship in tennis or field hockey or lacrosse or soccer or any of the many sports is to get some or all of your education paid for while playing the sport you enjoy.
Thats the entire point. Thats why kids and parents work so hard. Only 1 out of a hundred D-1 scholarships in tennis do the kids get any value because they don't become doctors? How many non sports kids become doctors?
The football and basketball kids may be taking rocks for jocks classes. Tennis and field hockey type kids are usually from solid families. Sure they have rough schedule and may have to take an extra few semesters to graduate. Thats the trade off.
So you think its better to go through college working 2 jobs to pay tuition? How does that not get in the way of education? Or coming out with $250,000 in student load debt?
How many college kids think only education? Many kids not playing sports drop out the first year. The % of kids who play on tennis scholarships who fail at school is not higher than the general student population. And many kids take worthless majors they can't use to get a job anyway, no matter if they play sports or not.
Honestly, you are a great poster but you really flubbed this topic badly. A D-1 scholarship to a good school affords networking and great opportunities. Its a gift from heaven not a 1 out of hundreds chance of making it like you say.
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tennisdad65
Hall of Fame
^^^ I do not think SoCal10s is alone in this thinking. My wife thinks the same way Socal10s does. She thinks our son's grades/focus on academics will suffer if he gets a tennis scholarship, just because of the time involved with tennis. She prefer's to pay the $200-300K that it will take to get him through college. I am on the other side of the fence. I would prefer to have him playing tennis, rather than dating/partying/chasing girls etc..
You are so right ,thats why I hope kids read this and know the realities of tennis and college.. Everyone needs college ,if nothing eles as a back up or to make their parent happy . .that price of experience to play but kids must realize when they need to buckle down and study ..
justinmadison
Semi-Pro
If you are a great tennis player and a scholarship is the only way to realistically afford a major school then there is really no debate. If you are a great tennis player and have great academics and have enough money then the D2 route is open. It is difficult get into an Ivy League school. If tennis can pave the road then you are batting a thousand. Those schools understand the class load and enable their kids to make the grades.
TennisCoachFLA
Banned
^^^ I do not think SoCal10s is alone in this thinking. My wife thinks the same way Socal10s does. She thinks our son's grades/focus on academics will suffer if he gets a tennis scholarship, just because of the time involved with tennis. She prefer's to pay the $200-300K that it will take to get him through college. I am on the other side of the fence. I would prefer to have him playing tennis, rather than dating/partying/chasing girls etc..
I agree with you. A kid who would waste a tennis scholarship by not also studying and maybe needing an extra few semesters to graduate, would waste it on partying anyway.
College is full of distractions for non athletes. To me it is a no brainer, a kid would be much better off on a tennis scholarship.
Her $300,000 investment? What if he chooses some lame major where he can't get a job? Lots of ways college can be a waste.
Tennishacker
Professional
I'm not sure where you are coming from on this.
Most of the guys I know who went to college because of tennis are doing well.
