Carson and Easter Bowl Acceptance

Freak4tennis said:
You need to be very cautious. Buyer beware on this one. I just googled one of the phone numbers listed in that ad and wow what an eye full. This guy has ads for everything from tennis lessons, to italian lessons, driving errands, and even as a house sitter. I think he also had one as an escort.

By the way, I'm not a teaching pro so I have no interest in this at all.
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You mean people embellish a little bit on CL :)? Yea I hear you, and I'm sure there are fraudsters out there. Luckily for us though, there are a couple of small universities close by that gets quite a few foreign players on scholarship. These guys are easily verifiable and they are willing to work for anything... I've had guys from France, Germany, Russia, and Poland hit with my kid. The Russian kid he's playing with right now trained in Spain for years on red clay; I pay him $45 for a 90-minute hit. Works for my pocketbook!
 
tennisdad65 said:
^^^ I do not think SoCal10s is alone in this thinking. My wife thinks the same way Socal10s does. She thinks our son's grades/focus on academics will suffer if he gets a tennis scholarship, just because of the time involved with tennis. She prefer's to pay the $200-300K that it will take to get him through college. I am on the other side of the fence. I would prefer to have him playing tennis, rather than dating/partying/chasing girls etc.. :)
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According to the MIT coach, the kids who play tennis for her have higher average GPAs than their peers.

Of course, that is a division III school and the girls are not on scholarship.

However, whatever the division, there are more advantages to playing college tennis than just a scholarship. There is the comraderie, fun, friendships, travel, etc...that will make memories that last a lifetime.
 
Adding words for thought. I had a discussion with a parent who stated your kid don't go to college (on a tennis scholarship) to become a tennis pro, they go to get an education. I don't necessarily agree with that theory, but I understand the logic. Some parents believe that college tennis will enhance their kids pro potential but this guy believes when you go to college its for an education not working your way on to the pro circuit. Yes the benefit of being on a team camaraderie, thats fine, but with a few exceptions Ie; Jhon Isner, Lisa Raymond there are few who make the transition to top 100 on the tour.

I had a passing conversation with Brook Austins coach "Jeff", and he stated a few sports agencies have been courting Brooke for quite some time now. One important thing he noted was that her parents are negotiating guaranteed scholarship money in the contract just in case this tennis thing doesn't work out.

The only thing she cant do is play college tennis, be on a team, and hang out with the girls. I know some would say thats a pretty fair trade off.
 
UCLA, Vanderbilt. Virgina, Stanford-The schools of choice for the top Seniors on TRN. Oh yeah, Brad thinks his son can beat Marcos (and probably the other 4 top Seniors) so why would he need to go to college?

Good luck to you kid, and maybe you should start listening to your mother...
 
10isRocs said:
UCLA, Vanderbilt. Virgina, Stanford-The schools of choice for the top Seniors on TRN. Oh yeah, Brad thinks his son can beat Marcos (and probably the other 4 top Seniors) so why would he need to go to college?

Good luck to you kid, and maybe you should start listening to your mother...
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Find a boy or girl for that matter that moves like this and you've got a potential pro. Until then..not going to happen. It may burst a lot of bubbles but it is what it is.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arKBiKoantk
 
Freak4tennis said:
Find a boy or girl for that matter that moves like this and you've got a potential pro. Until then..not going to happen. It may burst a lot of bubbles but it is what it is.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arKBiKoantk
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Trust me not bursting any bubbles here, I'm sure the majority wish her well. But with all due respect, you can't say that being a good mover or a good athlete is a lock for being a potential pro. There are many great athletes out there that are not even in the top 100 for sure and I would say not in the top 500.

To make it in tennis you to have a little more than just being a "good mover." So many things have to fall in place, hand eye coordination, timing, heart, talent, and family situation (not sure why Mom allows child to wear mini shorts at twelve yrs :shock:). I heard from a good source that she is talented, and saw for myself she is very good, but does she have what it takes besides being a good mover to make impact on the WTA. Sharipova, Davenport not good movers, but both did or doing okay on the tour. We never know it may be it is what its not.
 
ofcr17601 said:
Trust me not bursting any bubbles here, I'm sure the majority wish her well. But with all due respect, you can't say that being a good mover or a good athlete is a lock for being a potential pro. There are many great athletes out there that are not even in the top 100 for sure and I would say not in the top 500.

To make it in tennis you to have a little more than just being a "good mover." So many things have to fall in place, hand eye coordination, timing, heart, talent, and family situation (not sure why Mom allows child to wear mini shorts at twelve yrs :shock:). I heard from a good source that she is talented, and saw for myself she is very good, but does she have what it takes besides being a good mover to make impact on the WTA. Sharipova, Davenport not good movers, but both did or doing okay on the tour. We never know it may be it is what its not.
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Mini shorts? Those are athletic wear that don't restrict movement, my 6 year old wears them. Some girls wear skirts over them, some don't. Every volleyball player of all ages wears them. In fact, until your post, I must have seen that video 20 times and never even noticed the shorts.
 
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TennisCoachFLA said:
Mini shorts? Those are athletic wear that don't restrict movement, my 6 year old wears them. Some girls wear skirts over them, some don't. Every volleyball player of all ages wears them. In fact, until your post, I must have seen that video 20 times and never even noticed the shorts.
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Never understood why volleyball players wear them either. Not going to get into a debate of what provocative is to you and me. Certainly not going to dictate to you what you let your Daughter wear. Its a matter of perception and for me its inappropriate. I always wanted to ask a parent, how does that "ATHLETIC WEAR " help your Daughter play better. Restriction of movement :???:, I don't think I see too many male tennis players wearing the micro mini shorts and male volleyball players of any age as well.

I have a understanding why females wear those shorts, (i have a Daughter who plays also) but like you posted they wear a skort over them. Some people let their children wear what they want and its no big deal to them. As for me and my house, I feel it sends out the wrong message and I would not let my twelve year wear them.

There were several lewd comments made about her attire on you tube video already, some expressing that here attire was inappropriate, and some comments were explicit. You stated you've seen the video at least 20 times, so surely you read the comments as well. fortunately most of the lewd comments were monitored and deleted.

You are a great poster "Hall of fame" so I'm expecting some sarcastic, witty, philosophical reply, and from reading all your post about your Daughter, I'm sure you take the best Dad in the world award, but lets agree to disagree about whats appropriate attire for our kids.
 
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ofcr17601 said:
Never understood why volleyball players wear them either. Not going to get into a debate of what provocative is to you and me. Certainly not going to dictate to you what you let your Daughter wear. Its a matter of perception and for me its inappropriate. I always wanted to ask a parent, how does that "ATHLETIC WEAR " help your Daughter play better. Restriction of movement :???:, I don't think I see too many male tennis players wearing the micro mini shorts and male volleyball players of any age as well.

I have a understanding why females wear those shorts, (i have a Daughter who plays also) but like you posted they wear a skort over them. Some people let their children wear what they want and its no big deal to them. As for me and my house, I feel it sends out the wrong message and I would not let my twelve year wear them.

There were several lewd comments made about her attire on you tube video already, some expressing that here attire was inappropriate, and some comments were explicit. You stated you've seen the video at least 20 times, so surely you read the comments as well. fortunately most of the lewd comments were monitored and deleted.

You are a great poster "Hall of fame" so I'm expecting some sarcastic, witty, philosophical reply, and from reading all your post about your Daughter, I'm sure you take the best Dad in the world award, but lets agree to disagree about whats appropriate attire for our kids.
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You can find lewd comments about a 2 year old in a bathing suit on You Tube. Sick people are sick people.

As far as male players....ummm....different anatomy and support needs. Common sense, a male's package requires different practical attire. A speedo may be fine for Euro men at the beach, ain't gonna work for playing volleyball!

You can certainly think your daughter should not wear those outfits...but you commented on the mothering skills of Shishkina's mother for letting her wear them. You judged her mother for a pair of shorts. European kids wear almost nothing at the beach and that culture has much lower rates of crimes of that nature than ours does. So who are you to judge the mother of a kid from Russia or another place with a different mindset about what is appropriate?

I am sorry but in my opinion views like yours that think athletic attire is inappropriate is disturbing to me because you are seeing "wrong messages" that do not exist. A young girl wearing skin tight shorts with juicy across the rear just to go to the mall may be inappropriate. A volleyball player, a swimmer, a tennis player, a gymnast wearing outfits that allow movement is not.

Seriously....exactly what outfit should a female gymnast wear as to not send the "wrong message"??
 
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TennisCoachFLA said:
You can find lewd comments about a 2 year old in a bathing suit on You Tube. Sick people are sick people.

As far as male players....ummm....different anatomy and support needs. Common sense, a male's package requires different practical attire.

You can certainly think your daughter should not wear those outfits...but you commented on the mothering skills of Shishkina's mother for letting her wear them. You judged her mother for a pair of shorts. European kids wear almost nothing at the beach and that culture has much lower rates of crimes of that nature than ours does. So who are you to judge the mother of a kid from Russia or another place with a different mindset about what is appropriate?

I am sorry but in my opinion views like yours that think athletic attire is inappropriate is disturbing to me because you are seeing "wrong messages" that do not exist. A young girl wearing skin tight shorts with juicy across the rear just to go to the mall may be inappropriate. A volleyball player, a swimmer, a tennis player, a gymnast wearing outfits that allow movement is not.

Seriously....exactly what outfit should a female gymnast wear as to not send the "wrong message"??
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Saw a guy where those exact "mini" shorts playing mens open tennis once. You don't know how bad i wanted to double bagel him.
 
As I predicted, you don't have to question my common sense. I think I have a fair amount. And i certainly wouldn't "judge" anyone parenting skills. It is certainly documented that you have more common sense than most. However, I am aware of the male and female anatomy. Gymnastics different sport, to my knowledge girls don't have to straddle a four inch balance beam in tennis or girls basketball.

As I said before, I'm not going to get into a back and forth with you, after all your in the"Hall of Fame" won't comment on the subject again. You and I have debated about this individual before and you have always defended her and associates aggressively. Its like she and the Bolliteri camp can do no wrong in your eyes.

Ok then let me not take up anymore of your valuable time TCF. I'm sure you have more important issues on this forum than debating with someone who has common sense issues. I will let you get back to debating the quick start tennis program. Like I said wont comment on subject again, gonna give you the satisfaction of having the last word after all, you deserve it man! But I do know some viewers and posters understand my logic.
 
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ofcr17601 said:
As I predicted, you don't have to question my common sense. I think I have a fair amount. And i certainly wouldn't "judge" anyone parenting skills. It is certainly documented that you have more common sense than most. However, I am aware of the male and female anatomy. Gymnastics different sport, to my knowledge girls don't have to straddle a four inch balance beam in tennis or girls basketball.

As I said before, I'm not going to get into a back and forth with you, after all your in the"Hall of Fame" won't comment on the subject again. You and I have debated about this individual before and you have always defended her and associates aggressively. Its like she and the Bolliteri camp can do no wrong in your eyes.

Ok then let me not take up anymore of your valuable time TCF. I'm sure you have more important issues on this forum than debating with someone who has common sense issues. I will let you get back to debating the quick start tennis program. Like I said wont comment on subject again, gonna give you the satisfaction of having the last word after all, you deserve it man! But I do know some viewers and posters understand my logic.
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This really isn't a debate, you comment was wrong. Your post quote is this: "family situation (not sure why Mom allows child to wear mini shorts at twelve yrs )".

You were making a judgment about her mother and implying she might have an issue with her family situation. And not very many people on this board would agree with you. Who on earth would think twice about a girl wearing athletic elastic shorts at a match at the academy where she lives? She wasn't wearing a bikini top or a short shirt, she wore volleyball shorts. She wasn't at Wimbledon, she was at IMG where she trains. She wears other outfits, tennis dresses, etc. when she plays at other places.

About 8 people, all tennis people, besides her family, watch her play. She is not at the mall wearing a halter top at 12....she is playing tennis at IMG where she trains. Most likely she worked out that morning and then went and played her match. You took something perfectly appropriate and made a ridiculous comment about her mother.

Your attitude on the human body scares me. And is exactly why the Euros with their much more healthy attitudes, have less problems that the other places. And the sad thing is many girls who grow up with unhealthy body images like you are portraying rebel and do all kinds of awful things.

Instead of pontificating you should simply apologize to her mother for you ridiculous comment. You were totally out of line.
 
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TennisCoachFLA said:
This really isn't a debate, you comment was wrong. Your post quote is this: "family situation (not sure why Mom allows child to wear mini shorts at twelve yrs )".

You were making a judgment about her mother. And not very many people on this board would agree with you. Who on earth would think twice about a girl wearing athletic elastic shorts at a match at the academy where she lives?

About 8 people, all tennis people, besides her family watch her play. She is not at the mall wearing a halter top at 12....she is playing tennis at IMG where she trains. You took something perfectly appropriate and made a ridiculous comment about her mother.

Your attitude on the human body scares me. And is exactly why the Euros with their much more healthy attitudes, have less problems that the other places.
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You keep refering to crime statistics and similar problems. Trust me on this one, I'm quite familiar with crime statistics, especially when it involves violent crimes against juveniles. So you don't need to brief me on that one.

Listen I don't know your ties with Shishkina and don't care (Coach, assistant coach, manager, publicist,therapist, Mothers Boyfriend, idk). But when she becomes number one in the world and rack up multiple grand slams maybe you and your wit will have a little less time to spend on these tennis forums for folk like us that don't have common sense and scares you about the human body :). Nuff said.
 
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On the attire issue -

First of all, she is 10 in the video posted, not 12.
I too feel that the skin tight mini shorts on a 10 year
old is inappropriate. I can speak on this subject because

1) I have a 10 year old daughter and

2) as many here know, I spend
alot of time at IMG.

It has gotten to be a contest on the IMG grounds on who can
wear shorter, tighter, shorts no matter the age.
There are 8 year olds over there dressed like they are 18.
Its not a European thing or an athletic thing, its a "catch the eye of an agent"
thing.

If you are familiar with IMG then you know that looks are just as important
as the tennis. Many little girls come thru there that can play but dont
have "the look".


Is it working for Maria - yes. So who are we to argue right?
Does the Mom work the system - yes.
 
There are no agents roaming around here but 80% of 6 and 7 grade girls wear these shorts during tournaments. It is contageous. By 8th grade they start covering them. I am sure Shishkina was wearing them because everyone else did.
 
Oh I never stated that there are agents roaming around lol - thats the funny part.

The parents just think there are.
 
Wow, some clueless people posting today. Let me make it very easy for you.

A 10 year old wearing a halter top and skin tight shorts with juicy on the bottom, caked in makeup, at the mall with no supervision, hanging with all the high school boys...THAT SENDS THE WRONG MESSAGE!!!

A top athlete wearing volley ball shorts to play tennis in her home based tournament does not.

If you folks don't get the difference than you need an entire team of mental health professionals to work with you.
 
jmdlaw said:
On the attire issue -

First of all, she is 10 in the video posted, not 12.
I too feel that the skin tight mini shorts on a 10 year
old is inappropriate. I can speak on this subject because

1) I have a 10 year old daughter and

2) as many here know, I spend
alot of time at IMG.

It has gotten to be a contest on the IMG grounds on who can
wear shorter, tighter, shorts no matter the age.
There are 8 year olds over there dressed like they are 18.
Its not a European thing or an athletic thing, its a "catch the eye of an agent"
thing.

If you are familiar with IMG then you know that looks are just as important
as the tennis. Many little girls come thru there that can play but dont
have "the look".


Is it working for Maria - yes. So who are we to argue right?
Does the Mom work the system - yes.
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Total nonsense post. I have been to IMG more than anyone. It ain't like that. Girls OFF the court dress like girls in any mall in America.

No one is trying to catch the eye of an agent because I know most of the agents and scouts. They need to find winners or they get no where. They look for Lindsey Davenports or Gaby Andrews....they look for winners.

Girls playing at IMG have very diverse backgrounds. Prissy tennis dresses, basketball shorts, volleyball shorts, baggy shirts, half shirts, you name it. They work harder that you ever have in their life and they want to catch the eye of a scout by dominating and moving to the next higher court.

By the way, half the guys at IMG work out in runners shorts with no shirt. What 'message' are they sending?? Oh wait, they just are more comfortable in that attire.

Your daughter would do well to be half as dedicated as Shishkina is. If Shishkina stunk she wouldn't get a dime.
 
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ofcr17601 said:
You keep refering to crime statistics and similar problems. Trust me on this one, I'm quite familiar with crime statistics, especially when it involves violent crimes against juveniles. So you don't need to brief me on that one.

Listen I don't know your ties with Shishkina and don't care (Coach, assistant coach, manager, publicist,therapist, Mothers Boyfriend, idk). But when she becomes number one in the world and rack up multiple grand slams maybe you and your wit will have a little less time to spend on these tennis forums for folk like us that don't have common sense and scares you about the human body :). Nuff said.
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You keep saying you know this and that. But you don't. So Euro girls wearing thongs are all tramps? No, its a cultural thing where the body is actually considered natural and beautiful. The problem is you and your unhealthy view, not Shishkina's mom.

The FACT is that you were way out of line. You went after someones mothering ability because the daughter wore volleyball shorts.

And that is beyond wrong. Instead of admitting you were wrong you just post more utter silliness.
 
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A little dose of reality for jmdlaw and ofcr.....if your kids worked this hard and were this athletic, and won lots of tennis matches, they too would get attention from IMG.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNDXhVQTDRs

Oh now....she is doing lots of gymnastic style work outs in a body suit...ARRGH....what message must she be sending? Frankly, your beliefs are pretty dang disturbing.
 
i usually like to disagree with TFC just because.... but i'm going to have to agree with him this time. This is tennis. If my girl was that good, than by all means wear it. It looks athletic and nothing is see thru. Now if she sucked, well thats a different story.
 
One last post for the jealous haters. Shishkina rankings:

HIGHEST RANKINGS
2010 Recruiting: 1
TennisRPI: 1
2009 Recruiting: 1
TennisRPI: 1

Tennis recruiting network....ummm....gee, what 'look' are they rewarding? Oh wait, maybe its her actual results.
 
willshot said:
i usually like to disagree with TFC just because.... but i'm going to have to agree with him this time. This is tennis. If my girl was that good, than by all means wear it. It looks athletic and nothing is see thru. Now if she sucked, well thats a different story.
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Thanks.

This really burns me up. This girl was top ranked by TRN 2009 and 2010. She earned the attention.

And these posters are hiding behind her look and her mom "gaming the system" and her outfit, to cut on her. And they happen to have daughters and happen to be into tennis. Pure jealousy.

I really hate that. Its too much in junior tennis from the parents.

I swear I will never become like that. If my kid plays, she will play the best, and if she isn't good enough, so be it.
 
Not taking sides, but I happened to walk in the Cal State Fullerton gymnasium a couple of months ago when they had a volleyball tournament. There was a sea of young girls wearing similar shorts and zillions of friends and families watching. Didn't think anything of it... But yeah, there will always be some sickos in the crowd, and it's probably not going to be the shorts that make the difference with those people!
 
BSPE84 said:
Not taking sides, but I happened to walk in the Cal State Fullerton gymnasium a couple of months ago when they had a volleyball tournament. There was a sea of young girls wearing similar shorts and zillions of friends and families watching. Didn't think anything of it... But yeah, there will always be some sickos in the crowd, and it's probably not going to be the shorts that make the difference with those people!
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Very true. And I am really up in arms about this because this is what sends the wrong message.

Like I said, young girls can dress inappropriately. Parents can be way too permissive. A little girl wearing lots of makeup and inappropriate attire to school or the mall is dead wrong.

But a girl wearing volleyball style shorts because she thinks it is comfortable, while she plays tennis at her home base is innocent. And to say it is not sends a very bad message to girls that their bodies are not athletic, they are dirty. Its wrong.

Had Shishkina been wearing a push up bra or some tight slitted dress that would have been her mom trying to send the wrong message. There would be a lot of ways for her mother to sexualize her. And she did not. She simply wore volleyball style shorts in a totally innocent manner.

The fact that posters can't tell the difference is very disturbing.
 
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Tennis Coach - I think you are a nice guy...
who might not realize that everyone out there does not have pure intentions.

Right off the bat, let me take off the table and out of this conversation,
the crime stats of the rapist ( their victim could be a 13 year old girl or 80 year old grandma) or the pedophiles..

The facts are some of the girls today are dressing inappropriately in our society.

You see it in the malls, the streets, and now the schools.

Whose fault is it?

The young teen celebrities? The stores who sell it? The parents who buy it?

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/04/19/granderson.children.dress/

Frankly, I don't care what they are doing in Europe...

The fact is this is America, and we did have a more puritanical value system.

Ok, on to the tennis....

You stated that this is not sexy ......"a swimmer, tennis player, a gymnast wearing outfits that allow movement is not."

Swimmer have always worn one piece swimsuits in competition.

Gymnasts have always worn one piece leotards.

No changes here in swimming and gymnastics.

But, in tennis, these very short, tight, shorts on young girls are a new trend,
and they seem to be following the short shorts and mini skirts general trend of our society.

So, this young tennis star, age 10 at the time, is wearing tight shorts per the youtube video.

You state, "She wasn't at Wimbledon, she was at IMG where she trains."

No, once the parents filmed her and put it on Youtube, she wasn't at IMG,
she is in every place there is a computer with internet.

While you might not have impure thoughts, it is naive to think others don't.

Look at the comments, some deleted and some about the shorts...

I don't think those youtube commentators were tennis moms that were jealous about her rankings on TRN...
 
tennis5....you are simply repeating the same wrong things. I have said several times do dress inappropriately sometimes. In malls at school. The goal there is to make them more mature than their age.

This is NOT THE SAME. Not even a little bit. Volleyball shots are NOT inappropriate for junior tennis in any way. A push up bra or a slitted dress would have been her trying to look way too mature. This was purely athletic wear.

I go to TONS of tournaments. Many girls still wear tennis dresses or skorts. Shishkina DOES ALSO, I have seen her wearing them. But more girls are trying volleyball shorts to improve function.

She wore volleyball shorts at IMG, its her home. The people watching were family and friends. SHE DID NOTHING WRONG!!!

You folks truly need some serious help. You are twisting sexualizing girls way too early with athletic wear.

Impure thoughts? That has NOTHING to do with an outfit. Go to You Tube. A video with a baby in a wading pool draws comments. So we should dress our girls in burlap sacks just in case someone has a bad thought? Beyond ridiculous.

If you cant tell the purpose of wearing a trampy dress in a mall from functional athletic wear, it is you with the problem.
 
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TennisCoachFLA said:
Total nonsense post. I have been to IMG more than anyone. It ain't like that. Girls OFF the court dress like girls in any mall in America.

No one is trying to catch the eye of an agent because I know most of the agents and scouts. They need to find winners or they get no where. They look for Lindsey Davenports or Gaby Andrews....they look for winners.

Girls playing at IMG have very diverse backgrounds. Prissy tennis dresses, basketball shorts, volleyball shorts, baggy shirts, half shirts, you name it. They work harder that you ever have in their life and they want to catch the eye of a scout by dominating and moving to the next higher court.

By the way, half the guys at IMG work out in runners shorts with no shirt. What 'message' are they sending?? Oh wait, they just are more comfortable in that attire.

Your daughter would do well to be half as dedicated as Shishkina is. If Shishkina stunk she wouldn't get a dime.
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Expected this type of response. Anytime a poster has a difference of opionion you take shots.

Tell me where I had anything negative to say about her. In fact, when I have posted about her I have stated that shes an excellent player and I still feel that way. I think she's one of the few that will actually do something.

I happen not to feel its appropriate. You think its ok. What in the H*ll is wrong with that.

Why the dig at my daughter? Thats all you have?

Your way more intelligent than to take a shot at my 10 year old.

Maybe you have a different impression from IMG. That's ok. I'm not taking shots at your kid for you having a different opinion.
 
jmdlaw said:
Expected this type of response. Anytime a poster has a difference of opionion you take shots.

Tell me where I had anything negative to say about her. In fact, when I have posted about her I have stated that shes an excellent player and I still feel that way. I think she's one of the few that will actually do something.

I happen not to feel its appropriate. You think its ok. What in the H*ll is wrong with that.

Why the dig at my daughter? Thats all you have?

Your way more intelligent than to take a shot at my 10 year old.

Maybe you have a different impression from IMG. That's ok. I'm not taking shots at your kid for you having a different opinion.
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I see right through you. You took shots at her mother playing the system. You are are saying she is dressed like that and getting IMG attention for her look.

She gets it for her results and hard work. You took shots at her mother, I returned fire pal. Your quote....."it works for Maria" right after saying its looks that matter over results. Pure jealousy based on nothing.

Big plain looking girls get big time attention at IMG and many pretty girls are IGNORED. The ONLY way to move up at IMG is to WIN on the challenge courts and work harder than the others.

Its not an opinion to imply volley ball shorts are like a girl dressed inappropriately in other areas of society, its just wrong.
 
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jmdlaw said:
On the attire issue -

First of all, she is 10 in the video posted, not 12.
I too feel that the skin tight mini shorts on a 10 year
old is inappropriate. I can speak on this subject because

1) I have a 10 year old daughter and

2) as many here know, I spend
alot of time at IMG.

It has gotten to be a contest on the IMG grounds on who can
wear shorter, tighter, shorts no matter the age.
There are 8 year olds over there dressed like they are 18.
Its not a European thing or an athletic thing, its a "catch the eye of an agent"
thing.

If you are familiar with IMG then you know that looks are just as important
as the tennis. Many little girls come thru there that can play but dont
have "the look".


Is it working for Maria - yes. So who are we to argue right?
Does the Mom work the system - yes.
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There is your quote. "Looks as important as tennis. It worked for Maria."

Gee, what shot are you taking there!!?

You forgot to mention she was ranked #1 TRN...based on RESULTS. How come you left that part out?? Was she ranked 15th TRN AND got all the IMG attention over the other 14 girls? No....she was #1. But that does not fit your nonsense does it?

IMG is drooling over Brooke Austin....so what 'look' are they after now?
 
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TennisCoachFLA said:
Wow, some clueless people posting today. Let me make it very easy for you.

A 10 year old wearing a halter top and skin tight shorts with juicy on the bottom, caked in makeup, at the mall with no supervision, hanging with all the high school boys...THAT SENDS THE WRONG MESSAGE!!!

A top athlete wearing volley ball shorts to play tennis in her home based tournament does not.

If you folks don't get the difference than you need an entire team of mental health professionals to work with you.
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Right on brutha!
 
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What is the name of this thread? Easter Bowl acceptance?:)
TCF is especially angry today - I guess his daughter had a bad day. By the way did you really notice performance improvement when your daughter plays in these shorts???? Or she just wants to be just like these "big" 5th graders? Compression shorts for 10-13 yo girls - it is just a fad. It will pass. At one of the recent G16 tournaments here there was a younger girl playing up in these shorts and she did stick out as none of the older girls were dressed like that.
 
girly dress up .. on ""Carson and Easter Bowl Acceptance"" topic.. I love how many different directions this thread jumped around.. haha ... one final word on how females dress..""bikinis "" and how males dress""baggies"" .. why do chunky females still wear skin tight clothing and skinny toothpick males wear baggies clothes? -- it's just the way it is... :)
 
klu375 said:
What is the name of this thread? Easter Bowl acceptance?:)
TCF is especially angry today - I guess his daughter had a bad day. By the way did you really notice performance improvement when your daughter plays in these shorts???? Or she just wants to be just like these "big" 5th graders? Compression shorts for 10-13 yo girls - it is just a fad. It will pass. At one of the recent G16 tournaments here there was a younger girl playing up in these shorts and she did stick out as none of the older girls were dressed like that.
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First of all the thread is dead and over. 2nd of all you missed the point. The point is not if they really work or not, maybe they do a tiny bit, maybe not, maybe its mental. Who knows, who cares.

The POINT is that it is 100% meaningless from any standpoint but the girls. If they think it helps so what. This is a very basic point and if you can't grasp it, thats too bad.

One more time I will attempt to teach:

1. Girl dressed too old for age in a setting where her goal is to fit in with older girls and be provocative....WRONG!!!!!

2. Girls trying different athletic wear to enhance sports with the only goal being performance....RIGHT!!!

Goodness folks, get a clue. Volleyball players found the outfits enhance play, basketball guys use them the enhance play, so some girls are trying them for tennis, some with skirts, some without just like volleyball players.

That stuff should be encouraged not made to be some nefarious plan to be provocative. Sometimes I think we have a bunch of 8 year olds on here posing as tennis parents. Or even worse, actual parents who are raising kids and are that unable to think rationally.

Hats off to that girl who stuck with her shorts while the older sheep fell back into the pack like most people do.
 
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First of all the thread is dead and over. 2nd of all you missed the point. The point is not if they really work or not, maybe they do a tiny bit, maybe not, maybe its mental. Who knows, who cares.

The POINT is that it is 100% meaningless from any standpoint but the girls. If they think it helps so what. This is a very basic point and if you can't grasp it, thats too bad.
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That's just it, no one knows for sure why except the girls or possibly their parents. But if people here want to excercise their parental rights and decide what's appropriate for their own child according to their own values, what's wrong with that?

With all due respect, there's no need to "teach" anyone here TCF. Perhaps you should let it go.
 
I don’t think you have much choice if you are a girl volleyball player. The shorts they wear help them slide on the wood floors and keep them from touching the net when they go up to block or spike.
 
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Of course she will. In 2 years. There will be more important battles and this one you will decide not to fight.
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^^^^^ so true. (as I'm just starting to be fighting those battles that do need to be fought. Oh, I long for the days when arguing about the shorts was all there was to parenting...)
 
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