Casuals Will Be Talking Federer for the Next 25 Years

Sunny014

Legend
Federer as GOAT has been sold for 2 decades and now it has reached such a point that at best you can reduce him to Co-GOAT..... that GOAT tag will always be there with him...... Novak will have to surge really ahead in numbers and create an aura of his own from 2022-2025 as the best player for youngsters and other pundits to establish him as the sole GOAT..,... will take few more slams....just 1 more slam won't be enough
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
I've said this on TTW before. I have friends who cannot be persuaded that Murray actually 'beat' Federer in the 2012 London Olympic Final to win the Gold Medal. They firmly believe that Federer handed him the match because it would mean a lot to Britain if Murray won the gold medal. I cannot make them see that Federer craves an Olympic Gold Medal in singles more than anything and it would be stretching credibility to it's limits for him not to have tried his hardest to win the match.

They have been told over and over again that Federer is the greatest player to ever pick up a racquet so they cannot reconcile that with him losing a match to Murray and no one can persuade them otherwise.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Federer as GOAT has been sold for 2 decades and now it has reached such a point that at best you can reduce him to Co-GOAT..... that GOAT tag will always be there with him...... Novak will have to surge really ahead in numbers and create an aura of his own from 2022-2025 as the best player for youngsters and other pundits to establish him as the sole GOAT..,... will take few more slams....just 1 more slam won't be enough
Im still brimming with excitement that Medvedev slayed :love:

 

Sunny014

Legend
I've said this on TTW before. I have friends who cannot be persuaded that Murray actually 'beat' Federer in the 2012 London Olympic Final to win the Gold Medal. They firmly believe that Federer handed him the match because it would mean a lot to Britain if Murray won the gold medal. I cannot make them see that Federer craves an Olympic Gold Medal in singles more than anything and it would be stretching credibility to it's limits for him not to have tried his hardest to win the match.

They have been told over and over again that Federer is the greatest player to ever pick up a racquet so they cannot reconcile that with him losing a match to Murray and no one can persuade them otherwise.
They are not wrong.
Federer was tired at the time of the 2012 Olympics and the next year itself he was having back problems and it was a bad year again, not surprising.
Plus the way Federer crushed and humiliated Moorey in straight sets atW2015 says a lot on what Murray is actually worth
 

ffw2

Rookie
I said exactly this just now on another thread. Rafa will be fine with it. Its Djokovic who will struggle with it.
It is classic example of why wanting something too much, i.e adulation can be devastating. Federer will be the most remembered player. That story has already been written.
What do you consider the greatest life lesson that Nadal learned from Federer?
 
I don't think Federer deserves any more respect than Nadal or Djokovic for his achievements. Let us not forget that he is 5-6 years older than the other two and they are level pegging in their achievements considering that Federer already had a portfolio before Nadal and Djokovic were old enough to win anything.

Mark Petchey, only last year, was saying Federer was the undisputed GOAT; I remember it well because I twitted him asking him to justify Federer's GOATness. Now Mark is doing his best to give Djokovic a look in.
I never said he deserves MORE respect, I simply said he deserves the respect he’s earned, you just called him a “juggernaut tanker”. That’s pretty disrespectful IMO, and Nadal is my boy through and through.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
I never said he deserves MORE respect, I simply said he deserves the respect he’s earned, you just called him a “juggernaut tanker”. That’s pretty disrespectful IMO, and Nadal is my boy through and through.
I said the accolade put forward by experts and the media that Federer is the GOAT is like a juggernaut tanker that's hard to turn round because it's gone on for so long. Meaning, it's not possible change people's minds now.

juggernaut: a huge, powerful, and overwhelming force.

This is what I said: "The pundits and the media in general spent close on 20 years selling Federer as the GOAT. That juggernaut tanker will be impossible to stop no matter what."

How have I disrespected Federer?
 
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liriel

Semi-Pro
I totally agree that somehow GOAT-ish status will always be Federer's for media hype and media nostalgia. (ok, within 50 years. I gave the timeline I hope I'll be still alive).
Fortunately or not it's the truth and his empire.
 

Daniel Andrade

Hall of Fame
Federer will be known as the GOAT even among most tennis players (not just casuals) in the future as well.

Last week I played at the old Crandon Park stadium here in Miami, and I hit a few balls with a very good 10-year old who was playing in some junior tournament there. I asked him who his favorite tennis player was, expecting him to say Rafa or Nole, and he told me Federer, because "he's the best".


It looks like the future IS bleak after all...
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Daniel Andrade

Hall of Fame
Funnily enough, the two energizer bunnies nomming up slams to the point of being on equal terms with Fed might have p!ssed on the proverbial bonfire in the historical hype trains for all three of them. Especially since almost everyone will rely on results and won't be in the business of discerning any kind of difference they might have with tennistic excellence for themselves. Three guys with roughly the same success? Meh. Next. Maybe Djoker can really make it a clown show by getting a sizeable lead while in his mid to late 30s; one bunch of numbers to rule them all.
 

ffw2

Rookie
I totally agree that somehow GOAT-ish status will always be Federer's for media hype and media nostalgia. (ok, within 50 years. I gave the timeline I hope I'll be still alive).
Fortunately or not it's the truth and his empire.
Tough to say whether it's what the Tour wanted.

I would say probably not, but he pulled it off despite their best efforts.

The irony is fairly delicious, lol
 

ffw2

Rookie
Yup. It's almost as if seeing your favourite sport devolve sends you a little down the mood elevator. Who'd have thunk it?
And that's just it.

Tour closes up shop? They talk Fred for eternity.

Tour limps on? They chat Fred for the next quarter-century, minimum.
 

EllieK

Hall of Fame
There are some who transcend the game in their time. Billie Jean King and Serena are also well known outside tennis.
 

ffw2

Rookie
How do you square "casual" with "talking about Fed for the next 25 years?" That's not casual, that's fandom.
Um.

Is this a serious question? :unsure:

"Casuals" would be people happening on tennis conversations. At any time in the next 25 years. Not that they would be carrying on the conversations themselves for 25 years, lol...
 

James P

G.O.A.T.
Um.

Is this a serious question? :unsure:

"Casuals" would be people happening on tennis conversations. At any time in the next 25 years. Not that they would be carrying on the conversations themselves for 25 years, lol...
I thought you meant they would be talking about Federer for the next 25 years. You meant casuals as a group, rather than as an individual.
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
Well, the Fedalovic record will take decades to be put into the back burner because it will take 20 years for the next generation to surpass their achievements.
Surpass their achievements? No.
But it took Fed until 2009 to surpass Sampras. Was Sampras still the talk of the tennis world in 2008?
 

T007

Professional
40-15 will be talked about for the next 25 years.

14 RG titles (2022 to deliver) will instead be talked about for the next 200 years.
Destroyed by Med in a final going as heavy favourite will be the talked in next 50 years.

Bagelled by a weaker version of Nadal too will be talking point.
 

ffw2

Rookie
Surpass their achievements? No.
But it took Fed until 2009 to surpass Sampras. Was Sampras still the talk of the tennis world in 2008?
Sampras?

Appreciated in tennis circles—and rightly so.

Didn't exactly obliterate all the records, did he? At one point, Federer was like the most recognizable figure on the planet, second only to the Pope.

Hopefully you see the point.
 
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