CEO Raymond Moore resigns from Indian Wells

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Not completely shocked about this. Should he have resigned?


Raymond Moore has resigned as CEO and tournament director at Indian Wells, owner Larry Ellison announced Monday night.

Moore's resignation comes one day after he said women players ride the coattails of the men. He later apologized, but his remarks drew widespread outrage.

"I think the WTA [Women's Tennis Association] ... you know, in my next life, when I come back, I want to be someone in the WTA because they ride on the coattails of the men," Moore said Sunday before Serena Williams facedVictoria Azarenka in the final of the BNP Paribas Open. "They don't make any decisions, and they are lucky. They are very, very lucky. If I was a lady player, I'd go down every night on my knees and thank God that Roger Federer andRafa Nadal were born because they have carried this sport. They really have."

Moore, 69, is a former professional player from South Africa. He was involved with the tournament at Indian Wells for 29 years as an owner and managing partner before he assumed his most recent post overseeing tournament operations and the Indian Wells Tennis Garden in 2012. Years ago, Moore and another former player, Charlie Pasarell, started PM Sports Management, which oversaw the tournament as it expanded.

"Ray let me know that he has decided to step down from his roles as CEO and Tournament Director, effective immediately," Ellison said in a statement Monday night. "I fully understand his decision."




Indian Wells CEO says WTA rides men's coattails
Indian Wells CEO Raymond Moore said Sunday that the WTA rides the coattails of the men's game, and he lauded "attractive" female players.


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He went from popping champagne and celebrating another great tournament and a fat bonus on Sunday night, to cleaning out his office on Monday.
 
They should do away with interviews and press conferences in sport, completely (not really). They're just a an opportunity for people to **** up. When do we ever hear anything interesting?

Journalists ask the same stock, uninteresting questions over and over. And in response, they get the same rubbish answers. Then when Djokovic has an opinion on Ray Moore's comments, they kill him. Well, you don't really want to know his real views do you? Just the lawyer checked answers...

On Ray Moore, his tone was terrible, but one of his points not so much. Do Roger and Rafa carry the game? A lot of fans would agree they do. Does this mean women should be on their knees thanking them? ****k no. Most of the WTA players work incredibly hard to be the best tennis player they can be. They can't be concerned with what the ATP players or even what the other women players do.

Losing his job? Expected. He was found guilty in the trial by media (shock) that is so prevalent in society nowadays (sigh). Larry Ellison couldn't care less what he said, but it's damage control; image is everything. Larry sat him down with JD on the rocks and said "Ray, we're cutting you loose pal".

Ray's biggest crime? Not including Djokovic and Serena in the people who carry the sport! Lets hang the near 70 yr old! :D:rolleyes:
 
Moore basically shot himself in the foot, so no trial was needed.

La Grande said:
Losing his job? Expected. He was found guilty in the trial by media (shock) that is so prevalent in society nowadays (sigh). Larry Ellison couldn't care less what he said, but it's damage control; image is everything. Larry sat him down with JD on the rocks and said "Ray, we're cutting you loose pal".

Ray's biggest crime? Not including Djokovic and Serena in the people who carry the sport! Lets hang the near 70 yr old! :D:rolleyes:
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He is old and he doesn't have to put up with the BS so many people are pedalling.

He doesn't need to sell himself for cash either.

I am sure many don't even understand why he resigned (hint: it was not because he was ashamed of his words or "understood").

:cool:
 
Im all for press conferences where the player/official is granted something like "parliamentary privilege" to say absolutely whatever they want without any reprisal or threat of libel.

Press conferences are usually rubbish. What we need is controversy! Controversy and fights!
 
Ahhaaahhaaa....what an idiot!! He so deserved this before he opened his mouth!! Now the Djoke should be next to resign!!

!
 
I just realized that Moore looks like Jack Nicholson with gray hair.
 
Raymond Moore spoke with a smile
Serena replied with a scowl
Larry Ellison recalled how much money and effort it took to get Serena to play and thought Serena, one of a kind, Moore easily replaceable. Easy decision, See Ya!
 
MatsPhilander said:
Guy loses his job for telling the truth-that is modern feminism for you, demanding equal treatment for less work & putting out a vastly inferior product to their male counterparts. While using their sexuality to secure lucrative marketing/modelling deals their male counterparts have no chance of getting.
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If this is so, why is Federer's net worth more than twice that of any female player?
 
I guess he was retiring anyways. I mean he knows this is 2016 and you don't say such an un-PC thing if you're an "old white man". Djokovic can say what he wants because he's the current Alpha Male(TM).
 
helterskelter said:
If this is so, why is Federer's net worth more than twice that of any female player?
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That Fed has only $300 million net worth is a testament to how small tennis is in the grand scale of pro sports. Given his accomplishments he should be pushing a billion dollars.

No the real question is why Masha has 2x net worth of Serena? Unpleasant questions.
 
smoledman said:
That Fed has only $300 million net worth is a testament to how small tennis is in the grand scale of pro sports. Given his accomplishments he should be pushing a billion dollars.

No the real question is why Masha has 2x net worth of Serena? Unpleasant questions.
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Well, yes, that's certainly very unpleasant, for all sorts of reasons.
 
helterskelter said:
If this is so, why is Federer's net worth more than twice that of any female player?
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Longevity. But yes a few male players have great marketing opportunities because they are handsome & win lots like Nadal, decent looking & win everything like Fed. But outside of those select few the pickings are slim, while a player can be mediocre but get to model things because she is a looker. Look at from a prior era Kournikova-she made 3.5 million from prize money being a decent but not outstanding player & has a net worth of around 50 million made pretty much entirely from marketing her looks/body.
 
smoledman said:
Nobody wants to go there. Race, traditional notions of femininity all play into why Masha is worth 2x more than Serena.
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Has zero to do with race & everything to do with their respective faces & figures. High end fashion companies are not as likely to want Serena to model their clothes because she doesn't have a fashion body & her supporters will be seen as low income-which is to do with race but that is the reality. Just like why Snooker struggles to get the high end sponsors/advertisers Golf does despite it doing superior ratings regularly. Same with WWE.
 
tacou said:
He had to. Even if you think men deserve more money, you cannot have someone running a shared event talking about how hot Garbine Muguruza is.
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I tend to agree. The 1st part was just the 'men deserve more money' - that's his opinion and the numbers back it up. I'm still laughing at all the 'USO women's final tickets sold out first!' defenders. Yeah, one data point - and a flawed one since the scalpers and opportunists snapped them up to make a profit. Over the long haul the men's game is so much more popular. I bet ESPN/DirecTV could put out stats that would curl the WTA brass' toes relative to viewership.

The 2nd part about the 'attractive' women (and his sad backpedal 'both their game and looks' - was unseemly. Even if looks do sell, a person in his position shouldn't be saying that in public. Maybe at the late night poker game with Larry and the boys.
 
La Grande said:
They should do away with interviews and press conferences in sport, completely (not really). They're just a an opportunity for people to **** up. When do we ever hear anything interesting?

Journalists ask the same stock, uninteresting questions over and over. And in response, they get the same rubbish answers. Then when Djokovic has an opinion on Ray Moore's comments, they kill him. Well, you don't really want to know his real views do you? Just the lawyer checked answers...

On Ray Moore, his tone was terrible, but one of his points not so much. Do Roger and Rafa carry the game? A lot of fans would agree they do. Does this mean women should be on their knees thanking them? ****k no. Most of the WTA players work incredibly hard to be the best tennis player they can be. They can't be concerned with what the ATP players or even what the other women players do.

Losing his job? Expected. He was found guilty in the trial by media (shock) that is so prevalent in society nowadays (sigh). Larry Ellison couldn't care less what he said, but it's damage control; image is everything. Larry sat him down with JD on the rocks and said "Ray, we're cutting you loose pal".

Ray's biggest crime? Not including Djokovic and Serena in the people who carry the sport! Lets hang the near 70 yr old! :D:rolleyes:
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If he only included Serena...
 
He may have a point to a degree . Fed/Nadal IMO kept the sport of tennis on life support at least due to their star power. Serena has as well.. But there is no one either side to fill their shoes. So what now for the future? The outlook for the men's game is looking bleaker than ever. The women's side doesn't look too promising either for the future.

This is a sport that will need to be truly looked at in how to regain its mojo.

There are NO great players coming along. There is no real depth of talent on either side anymore. Its a troubling scenario.

God forbid if they start getting more names for PED violations coming up.
 
THUNDERVOLLEY said:
Yes, he was will will forever be a moron. He was barely recognized, now he's a globally exposed shame--earned in full. Meanwhile, his justified critic--Serena--is a legend in and beyond the sport, and has added innumerale fans to the sport over two generations--
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How can she be that with no CYGS?
She can't even be in the same conversation as Graf without that ultimate achievement.
Face facts TV - she's never truly mastered the sport.

THUNDERVOLLEY said:
and helped to keep his worthless ass employed.
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Ahahahahaha I've never heard you speak like that before, made me laugh there.
 
90's Clay said:
He may have a point to a degree . Fed/Nadal IMO kept the sport of tennis on life support at least due to their star power. Serena has as well.. But there is no one either side to fill their shoes. So what now for the future? The outlook for the men's game is looking bleaker than ever. The women's side doesn't look too promising either for the future.

This is a sport that will need to be truly looked at in how to regain its mojo.

There are NO great players coming along. There is no real depth of talent on either side anymore. Its a troubling scenario.

God forbid if they start getting more names for PED violations coming up.
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The WTA will always be able to rely on that group of fans who basically just want to ogle the women, so I don't think they'll feel the crunch as much as the ATP when there is no-one to replace the current stars.
 
They don't bring in the same money, they don't play 3-5, they put out an inferior game. He told the truth, but it's stupid to tell the truth. You don't see the commentators saying serena is fat, out of shape, a nut job on drugs, anti depressants, peds, because they would get fired for it. How about her twerkin video? No one talks about it because they would be fired for it. Had sex with Misha and her current coach on top of it all. Hideous figure. Etc. No truth in the tv box.
 
I just watched a replay of Moore's controversial comments and it doesn't look as bad as initially portrayed by the media. He was answering questions during a press conference at the end of a long and exhaustive masters 1000 tournament. The only thing controversial is his statement that the women players and the WTA have (in the past) ridden on the coattails of the men and the ATP. And he specifically mentioned Nadal and Federer, so whether that statement was meant to apply to the current women's game, may need further clarification. I certainly don't think one has to necessarily infer that he thinks the current women's game is not worthy or as worthy. The fact that he said he wouldn't mind coming back in his next life as a women player in the WTA, seems to indicate that the WTA has arrived and is maybe no longer dependent on the men's game. The problem is the fear of being politically incorrect, and running too soon in the opposite direction, and letting the media make it into something it wasn't meant to be.
 
THUNDERVOLLEY said:
Yes, he was will will forever be a moron. He was barely recognized, now he's a globally exposed shame--earned in full. Meanwhile, his justified critic--Serena--is a legend in and beyond the sport, and has added innumerale fans to the sport over two generations--and helped to keep his worthless ass employed.
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Quite an ending of his career and what he will be remembered for. Cooky man w no substance. Who picks on women (in this case) to make himself seem bigger. But in real life he is just a small little miserable man.
Meanwhile Serena is a living legend, fighting all kinds of obsticacles to reach her goals, she is a true inspiration for so many.
 
Of course he should have resigned. First his didn't just say ATP deserves more, he said Women should get on their knees and praise ATP players which is disgraceful.
And since IW supports equality, I think its kind of ambush seeing their own CEO speak against WTA.

Now, Novak's comment is another issue and not for discussion. He was asked for his opinion, a bit silly it might be, but was asked about it and he spoke his mind without being disrespectful.
 
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Firstservingman said:
The WTA will always be able to rely on that group of fans who basically just want to ogle the women, so I don't think they'll feel the crunch as much as the ATP when there is no-one to replace the current stars.
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Think the same can be addressed to many female viewers out there watching men play ;)
A little bit like me watching Italian football in my teens, don't care that much about the football, but damn maldini and co was worth it.
 
bigserving said:
Raymond Moore spoke with a smile
Serena replied with a scowl
Larry Ellison recalled how much money and effort it took to get Serena to play and thought Serena, one of a kind, Moore easily replaceable. Easy decision, See Ya!
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Ellison and Moore are into business.

Serena is into drama.

:cool:
 
Paul Murphy said:
He gave an honest opinion and lost his job for it.
It's the way of the world these days.
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:cool:
 
90's Clay said:
He may have a point to a degree . Fed/Nadal IMO kept the sport of tennis on life support at least due to their star power. Serena has as well.. But there is no one either side to fill their shoes. So what now for the future? The outlook for the men's game is looking bleaker than ever. The women's side doesn't look too promising either for the future.

This is a sport that will need to be truly looked at in how to regain its mojo.

There are NO great players coming along. There is no real depth of talent on either side anymore. Its a troubling scenario.

God forbid if they start getting more names for PED violations coming up.
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Well there is Djokovic dominating so still perhaps one potential goat candidate still here for a while. I knew that someone was gonna get caught for doping soon enough (didn't expect it to be Sharapova though). I'm still fairly sure that a high profile ATP player will get caught out within the next few years.
 
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