Chances of Texas and OU moving to SEC for FB and effects on tennis?

jcgatennismom

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Just heard about Texas and OU asking to join SEC. What do you think of their chances, and how many years out would that be? Would be major effect on tennis since Big 12 would be down to 4 teams but I am sure teams would apply to join conference just for tennis. Do you think with all the NCAA changes, that in a few years, nonrevenue sports will be in geographically aligned conferences separate from football and basketball? However, there was at least one FBS AD or conference commissioner (cant remember who) who wanted the autonomy to give full scholarships to athletes in all sports figuring with the expansion of the college football playoffs they will have the $ for it. Maybe some colleges in FBS would, definitely not all-would hate to see D1 split for all sports due to football plus 20-25% of D1 tennis schools dont even have football teams.. What do you think the future holds for nonrevenue sports besides the fact that colleges outside P5 may reduce scholarships (not fully funding 4.5) and increase roster size (for tuition $).
 

andfor

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Looks like being in a P5 conference isn't good enough.

I've said for a long time that ALL non-revenue sports have troubles coming. Luckily my crystal ball is foggy at best and little has changed, so far. Recently Covid was the worst thing that's happened to non-revenue sports. What I think will happen is some schools will narrow sports down to just Football and Basketball (and maybe Baseball) for men, then accommodate title IX for women keeping a smattering of sports as a courtesy to them.
 
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bobleenov1963

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Both need 75% approval and A&M has already come out saying they will oppose, they could probably get 3-4 others to also oppose.
you don't know that. The longhorns have a big fan base and so does OU. If Alabama, LSU, Florida, and Georgia want both the Longhorns and Sooners in the SEC, it will happen. The SEC will become a super conference with multiple teams in the College Football Playoff (CFP). With Bryce Young (Alabama QB) is already making almost 1M in endorsement, more players and teams will want to join the SEC.
 
Both need 75% approval and A&M has already come out saying they will oppose, they could probably get 3-4 others to also oppose.
Well, from what I'm reading, adding OU & TX to SEC could result in an increased payout to each SEC school of $60m (vs the $44m each gets now). Not sure A&M has enough clout to get 3 or 4 schools to pass up an additional $16m
 

JLyon

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Well, from what I'm reading, adding OU & TX to SEC could result in an increased payout to each SEC school of $60m (vs the $44m each gets now). Not sure A&M has enough clout to get 3 or 4 schools to pass up an additional $16m
having grown up in Texas , there is very little love between the 2 universities. I think UT was also hurt by A&M and Missouri running to the SEC leaving the Big 12 in a lurch. I personally hope it does not happen, but it is about the $$$, but will Vandy, UA, Missouri and such feel about being bottom feeders even more with the addition of 2 powerhouses. Now for tennis would be fantastic, but Football and Basketball rule the $$$ roost.
 

andfor

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Well, from what I'm reading, adding OU & TX to SEC could result in an increased payout to each SEC school of $60m (vs the $44m each gets now). Not sure A&M has enough clout to get 3 or 4 schools to pass up an additional $16m
I don't get it. They are already in a P5 conference. Now some P5 conferences are better than others? Moving from one P5 to another P5 conference can get a school more money? This is absurd. Looks more like moving the chairs around on the deck of the Titanic to me.

Happy to better understand the financials here if someone care to share. Thanks
 

JLyon

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so if this happens what do TX Tech and Okie State do? Head to PAC 12?
Could see Kansas, KState, Iowa St maybe Big 10. Where does Baylor head?
Or sit tight and add SMU, Tulsa, UH, Wichita St to fill in the holes.
 

atatu

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having grown up in Texas , there is very little love between the 2 universities. I think UT was also hurt by A&M and Missouri running to the SEC leaving the Big 12 in a lurch. I personally hope it does not happen, but it is about the $$$, but will Vandy, UA, Missouri and such feel about being bottom feeders even more with the addition of 2 powerhouses. Now for tennis would be fantastic, but Football and Basketball rule the $$$ roost.
Honestly Vandy should join the Ivy League, they shouldn't be in the SEC (except for baseball)....
 
so if this happens what do TX Tech and Okie State do? Head to PAC 12?
Could see Kansas, KState, Iowa St maybe Big 10. Where does Baylor head?
Or sit tight and add SMU, Tulsa, UH, Wichita St to fill in the holes.
its bad overall I think. Very weird for an entire part of the country to not have a major conference and instead be picked apart.
 

bobleenov1963

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I don't get it. They are already in a P5 conference. Now some P5 conferences are better than others? Moving from one P5 to another P5 conference can get a school more money? This is absurd. Looks more like moving the chairs around on the deck of the Titanic to me.

Happy to better understand the financials here if someone care to share. Thanks
Yes, the SEC is definitely better than the PAC-12 in football thus more money in the SEC than the PAC-12. The last time a PAC-12 school made College Football Playoff (CFP), University of Washington, it got taken to the cleaner by the Crimson Tide in a very embarrassing fashion. PAC-12 football is a complete joke, and yet it is a P5 conference.
 
Yes, the SEC is definitely better than the PAC-12 in football thus more money in the SEC than the PAC-12. The last time a PAC-12 school made College Football Playoff (CFP), University of Washington, it got taken to the cleaner by the Crimson Tide in a very embarrassing fashion. PAC-12 football is a complete joke, and yet it is a P5 conference.
there’s definitely been far worse performances in the CFB playoff against Alabama than Washington’s was.
 

FuzzyYellowBalls

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It's all about football. I have a couple of die hard Longhorn football fans as friends and 2 from big big booster families. So, they are all saying it is very likely and might happen very quickly. It seems to come out of nowhere, but based on all these friends of mine and what they say, it's very real. Interestingly, almost all of them don't want it to happen for various reasons. One is, it is slightly, theoretically more easy for OU or UT to make the tourney in football in the big 12 than to fight it out in the SEC for a spot.
 

JLyon

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It's all about football. I have a couple of die hard Longhorn football fans as friends and 2 from big big booster families. So, they are all saying it is very likely and might happen very quickly. It seems to come out of nowhere, but based on all these friends of mine and what they say, it's very real. Interestingly, almost all of them don't want it to happen for various reasons. One is, it is slightly, theoretically more easy for OU or UT to make the tourney in football in the big 12 than to fight it out in the SEC for a spot.
have read some more and appears OU/UT have been in talks with SEC for better part of a year. Tennis-wise will make a tennis super-conference
 

andfor

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It's all about football. I have a couple of die hard Longhorn football fans as friends and 2 from big big booster families. So, they are all saying it is very likely and might happen very quickly. It seems to come out of nowhere, but based on all these friends of mine and what they say, it's very real. Interestingly, almost all of them don't want it to happen for various reasons. One is, it is slightly, theoretically more easy for OU or UT to make the tourney in football in the big 12 than to fight it out in the SEC for a spot.
They've likely done the math. Can likely finish outside the year end playoff FB championship and still make more money moving to the SEC. At this rate I can see a new D1 division at least for FB and BB. Might as well be one now. I don't like the direction, might as well call it semi-pro college athletics. Interest will go down.

EDIT: UT and OU moving to the SEC will definitely increase the chances for the year end FB championship to be 3 or 4 SEC teams. Fun
 
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jcgatennismom

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https://www.knightcommission.org/2020/12/knight-commission-recommends-a-new-governing-structure-for-the-sport-of-fbs-football/
Interesting article on the recommendation of restructuring NCAA by creating NCFA which would be responsible for FBS football and all the regulatory and enforcement piece. NCAA would include the all the other sports from FBS conferences, FCS football, M&W basketball, and all the M&W other sports outside FBS. Policies, conferences, etc would be aligned to benefit basketball. FBS schools would get $ from NCFA from football playoffs and all D1 unis would get $ from NCAA from March Madness. The NCAA under this new model without FBS football would equally weight voting between conferences.
 
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