Changing grip without changing grip size

MrAndersDK

New User
Hello

I play with the wilson steam 99s grip size L2 (4 1/4). In addition I play with the wilson pro overgrip. I need to play with a overgrip because my palms gets swetty so i nned to change it often. However, I feel that the grip becomes a bit to large when I put on the overgrip.

So I thought if i continue to use the wilson pro overgrip and change the grip to a thinner grip, than is already on the steam 99s could solve my problem.

I'm not sure which grip is originally on the 99s, but I guess it looks like the wilson sublime which is 1.8 mm thick. The pro overgrip is about 0.5 mm thick, so I guess changing the grip to the TW leather grip at 1.3 would be perfect. Do you think this makes sense?

From the numbers i could find on this forum the weight will go from about 20 g to 27 g including the wilson overgrip, which i'm not that concerned with.

How different is it to play with a leather grip underneath the wilson pro compared to the original beneath a wilson pro (besides the size difference)?

Looking foreward to hearing from all you experts :)
 

newpball

Legend
I'm not sure which grip is originally on the 99s, but I guess it looks like the wilson sublime which is 1.8 mm thick. The pro overgrip is about 0.5 mm thick, so I guess changing the grip to the TW leather grip at 1.3 would be perfect. Do you think this makes sense?
And keep it on for how long?

You best solution is to sell your 99s and to get a new 4 1/8 one and use an overgrip.
 

BLX_Andy

Professional
You can use the Pro Overgrip Sensation. It's thinner than the Pro Overgrip and more cost effective than getting the same racquet with a smaller grip size. Unfortunately it's thin profile might make the grip lose its adherence in shorter time than the original Pro Overgrip.
 

esgee48

G.O.A.T.
Not sure if the leather grip is 20 grams heavier. But whatever you say!

Leather grips feel firmer because they do not have the cushioning synthetic grips have. That said, they last a lot longer because they can cleaned and re-oiled. There are threads about people doing this. It will depend on whether you prefer a soft grip or a hard grip.

BTW, you can also re-balance your frame by adding lead to the hoop.
 

MrAndersDK

New User
And keep it on for how long?

You best solution is to sell your 99s and to get a new 4 1/8 one and use an overgrip.

Not sure What you meen with "how long"?

The leather grip plus the overgrip should be the same thickness as the original grip without the overgrip, so with leather underneath i can use overgrip and keep the wanted size.
 

MrAndersDK

New User
Not sure if the leather grip is 20 grams heavier. But whatever you say!

Leather grips feel firmer because they do not have the cushioning synthetic grips have. That said, they last a lot longer because they can cleaned and re-oiled. There are threads about people doing this. It will depend on whether you prefer a soft grip or a hard grip.

BTW, you can also re-balance your frame by adding lead to the hoop.

Hey, maybe i would actually like the more firmer feel.

Not saying the leather grip is 20g more, i said i think it is about 7 g more.
 

Ramon

Legend
I think you're on the right track. 1.3 mm is about as thin as you can get for a replacement grip. Another option would be to remove your original grip and just use an overgrip over the bare handle. If you do this you might want to try a more substantial overgrip than Wilson Pro.
 

MrAndersDK

New User
Yeah but if use an overgrip directly on the handle it needs to be 1.8 mm because the sublime alone seems perfect, and it should be 1.8 mm in thickness.

BTW. Can anyone confirm that the original grip on the 99s is the sublime grip?
 

jonestim

Hall of Fame
I can't confirm the original 99s grip, but I can tell you that comparing leather grip thickness to synthetic doesn't really work. Synthetic stretches and gets thinner as you wrap it and the leather does not. I bought a 1.3mm TW leather thinking the same thing but it did not make it as thin as the 1.5mm Prince ResiThin grip. The ResiThin was also about 4g less than my original grip so when I added the overgrip it came to more or less the same thickness and weight.

Pick up a ResiThin or a Babolat Skin Feel.
 

loosegroove

Hall of Fame
Why not go with a Prince Resi-thin or Babolat Skin Feel replacement grip? Not sure of the exact measurements (probably can find them around here), but I think they might be your best options for what you are doing.
 

ChicagoJack

Hall of Fame
I think you're on the right track. 1.3 mm is about as thin as you can get for a replacement grip. Another option would be to remove your original grip and just use an overgrip over the bare handle. If you do this you might want to try a more substantial overgrip than Wilson Pro.

Hi Ramon,

Just a quick FYI fer ya. There's a few replacement grips available under 1.30mm.

Leather:
0.80mm ... Kimony Techni
1.20mm ... Gamma Leather

Synthetic:
1.25mm ... Tourna ProThin
1.25mm ... **** Synthetic Leather

Full list of grip specs here
 
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robbo1970

Hall of Fame
Leather will add weight and change the balance/feel. If you want the feel of leather, but not the weight, then try the Head Synthetic leather.

Otherwise, slap on a skin feel and your choice of overgrip and hit the courts.
 

TNT34

Rookie
My experience is that the 1.3 mm TW leather grips work the best if you want a smaller grip size. But you have to be careful when you put them on to pull it tight and not to overlap at all. I usually play with a grip for a time or two and then take it off and reinstall it and I can stretch it tighter/thinner than I could the first time.

I've tried the Kimony grips but they're almost too thin for me. Same with the "no replacement grip" option that leaves the handle with essentially no cushioning.

My sense is that different people get different results because of the way they wrap their grips, or because of the feel they prefer. You really have to try several grips if you really want to sort this out, and most people just don't care about it that much.

Also, the Wilson Sensation overgrip is thinner, as was mentioned above. You may like it, or you may not like it, but it's worth a try.

Luck,

T.
 
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