Cheaper substitute for Tecnifibre X-one biphase 16 Red

dolphinsrus

Rookie
Hi guys,
Any recommendations for a cheaper substitute for Tecnifibre X-one biphase? I got tennis elbow about a year ago and started playing with soft multis. First I started with Babolat Exel and then switched to X-one biphase, but these strings don't last at all. I got the red version because it lasts a little bit more. At $20 per package, I am looking for a decent substitute. My priority is to avoid getting tennis elbow again, so wondering if there is other alternative or if I should keep using x-one biphase. I also used it as Hybrid with Alu power rough, experiencing the same short life. Any recommendation is highly appreciated.Thanks.
 

Dso

Semi-Pro
Keep using Xone. I've tried others, including natural gut and I keep coming back. It frays but won't break for a bit. Are you breaking strings? I too have had major elbow issues and love this stuff.

TW regularly sells them for $14/set for 4 or more at a time. Wait till the sale and stock up!

Edit: fwiw I use 17 gauge red.
 

dolphinsrus

Rookie
Thanks for the input and te sale recommendation. I don't break them, they break by themselves very fast. As mentioned, if this is the best I will stay stay with Tecnifibre, but certainly open to suggestions.
 

Doc Hollidae

Hall of Fame
You can try Tourna Quasi Gut Armor. I used it when I had my bout with TE. No multi is going to be durable however. One option would be to upgrade to natural gut and use a poly or syn gut cross. I think you'll find the natural gut hybrid will last a lot longer than a full bed of multi.
 

Chotobaka

Hall of Fame
For more durability in a high quality multi give Yonex Tour Super 850 Pro a try. If you like Biphase's feel during the first couple of hours of play, you will appreciate the crispness of this string throughout its life.

Make sure to get the Pro version, as it is a different string from the Tour Super (good but pretty ordinary multi performance). These strings move far less and have greater spin potential than other multi's, too. Feel-wise, they are at the opposite end of the spectrum from the Xcel strings you referenced. IMO, Yonex Tour Super 850 Pro has a very connected to the ball effect and are less muted than other multi's at equal tension.

They are priced a little lower than Biphase and, due to their high durability, your net cost should be even lower over time.
 
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Fletch92626

New User
I loved that string as well, and used it for a while. I had the same problem; it simply would not last. It's too soft and the strings break quickly - particularly if you cross them with a poly. My solution was to go to a hybrid with gut mains and poly crosses (I use dead-ish poly crosses to power down the gut a little bit). This resulted in a great string bed - better than Biphase - at a modest increase in cost when you factor in 1/2 gut (roughly $20) and 1/2 poly (at $5).
 
If your needing a soft multi try isospeed classic control 10 dollars.
I used it in a full bed but I had it strung 54 lbs which was great but lost to much tension.
I ordered another set and will start at 58lbs,
this is very arm friendly string.
Goodluck
 

JEDBERG1

Rookie
I find NRG2 to be a little more durable that X ONE. It is also a little cheaper to buy.
 
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Muppet

Legend
For a lower price, you could try Dunlop Hexy Fiber. It's soft and spinny for a multi, but it's fairly muted where X-1 is crisp.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
NRG2 is a very good string and it's on sale right now if you buy 3 sets. Also Multifeel is a good string but it won't last as long but it's about 1/3 the price right now. There's also HDX Tour but that a step up in price and durability. TGV is also a great string. Look for a string while it on sale TW has them on sale a lot. Live Wire Professional is a good soft string too.

EDIT: One of my customers is a big X-One 17 fan he just does not like the price. I started using X-One mains and Multifeel crosses and he likes it almost just as well.
 
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JustTennis76

Professional
Forgot about Prince Premier Power. It's similar to X-one Biphase but you can find for relatively cheap like $10 per set online somewhere like an auction site.
 

SteveI

Legend
Tourna Quasi Gut Armor 16:

Less Money... holds tension better, softer and has better spin potential. I am a X-1 user and I have used this and MCS.. and liking both.

Steve
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
BTW if you go to Tennis Industry 2012 String selector you will find NRG2 is just a bit softer than X-One and has a little better tension maintenenace. If you buy 4 or more right now it is only $12.71/set.
 

SteveI

Legend
BTW if you go to Tennis Industry 2012 String selector you will find NRG2 is just a bit softer than X-One and has a little better tension maintenenace. If you buy 4 or more right now it is only $12.71/set.
Another good option. Thinking out of the box somewhat... what about Babolat Origin 16G???
 

SteveI

Legend
For a lower price, you could try Dunlop Hexy Fiber. It's soft and spinny for a multi, but it's fairly muted where X-1 is crisp.
I was going to add that one.. except I played it and hated it... :-(. It is a nice option.. but I find it hard to recommend something I hated... The user feedback is not great either
 
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Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
Another good option. Thinking out of the box somewhat... what about Babolat Origin 16G???
Origin is not a bad option at all when you compare the specs. But Origin and X-One will not feel the same. The two Tecnifibre strings will 'feel' more the same and I assumed the OP wanted a similar feeling string to X-One.


 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
In the compare tool above I guess the big differences that account for feel is tension loss and COFs.
 

rockbox

Semi-Pro
I've never tried biphase, but if you want a comfortable string for less money, you may want to try Tier One Triumph. It is very comfortable, and they have 50 percent coupons all the time.
 

SteveI

Legend
In the compare tool above I guess the big differences that account for feel is tension loss and COFs.
You are correct sir... :) The strings do not feel the same. The Origin feels more like a poly but is still great on the arm. Very unique string... a cross between a poly and multi. Stuff has have a great price /performance ratio for the right player. Just wanted to throw that one out... I am guessing Origin would last twice as long as x-1.

BTW..I think the OP was playing X-1 16G... But the data should be close for the 16G for comparison.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
Yes I see that now 16 gauge Red. If the OP can tell the difference between red and natural I would sure stay with a Tecnifibre string. Using the Compare String Tool X-One and NRG2 are even closer than the 17 gauge version except for spin potential and string to string COF. x-One has a lower COF so if one were to use NRG2 and lubricate they would be very close and the lube would increase string durability.
 

fuzz nation

G.O.A.T.
Hi guys,
Any recommendations for a cheaper substitute for Tecnifibre X-one biphase? I got tennis elbow about a year ago and started playing with soft multis. First I started with Babolat Exel and then switched to X-one biphase, but these strings don't last at all. I got the red version because it lasts a little bit more. At $20 per package, I am looking for a decent substitute. My priority is to avoid getting tennis elbow again, so wondering if there is other alternative or if I should keep using x-one biphase. I also used it as Hybrid with Alu power rough, experiencing the same short life. Any recommendation is highly appreciated.Thanks.
In my limited experience with X-One Biphase, I thought it was rather wonderful stuff, but I've never bought sets of it for myself. It just isn't durable enough for me to invest in it.

I agree with the suggestion above from our pal Chotobaka concerning Yonex 850 multifiber. I've also found this to be a decent multi with impressive service life.

I personally get "enough" softness - along with the feel, performance, and price tag I like - from 17 ga. syn. gut. Syn. gut in general can be overlooked because it's about as un-exotic as strings get, but it's usually a very affordable string type. Forten Sweet16 is perhaps the softest syn. gut available (in 16 ga.) and I'd say that this string can actually work as an affordable alternative to a multifiber. TW sells this string for $3 per set. If you want a soft string option that's a lot less expensive than X-One Biphase, this could be worth a try.
 

Dso

Semi-Pro
So think about this a bit… unless you can buy an ultra cheap string the REAL difference in Xone and alternatives is maybe a few dollars??? Even if you are breaking strings every week- is a switch really worth it? I mean around here our match cost is $18, indoor court time is about $15/hour and half each for doubles. We all know what racquets cost.

If you are seeking a better string for reasons like less tension loss, different feel, etc that makes sense. But if Xone is what you like, and I think it's a VERY comfortable string that plays well for my game- money really isn't that much of a factor- and I'm not a rich person. :)
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
So think about this a bit… unless you can buy an ultra cheap string the REAL difference in Xone and alternatives is maybe a few dollars??? Even if you are breaking strings every week- is a switch really worth it? I mean around here our match cost is $18, indoor court time is about $15/hour and half each for doubles. We all know what racquets cost.
Ok I've thought about it. Can't remember the last time I paid to play tennis. If i do play where I have to pay it's just $2 for two hours.
 
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Dso

Semi-Pro
Ok I've thought about it. Can't remember the last time I paid to play tennis. If i do play where I have to pay it's just $2 for two hours.
Ok so maybe it depends where/when you play… let me elaborate more on my point. So what if it costs $3-4 more per stringing? The OP knows he likes the Xone, he is concerned about elbow issues, so unless he's poor it's not worth it IMO. Stick with what works. If he restrings once every two weeks with Xones- that's the cost of a cup of coffee/week…

When it comes to protecting my arm, I'll pay a lot more than that. Trust me I know what it's like to have arm problems!

If he just wants to tinker and experiment that's one thing- but it sounds like he's just trying to save a few dollars. Like you said- many of the Tecnifibre strings are a fair price (not $20!) when you buy them on sale/in qty.

EDIT: Oh and Irvin- stop rubbing it in that I live in the Northeast and you live in GA! LOL
 

g4driver

Hall of Fame
Any recommendations for a cheaper substitute for Tecnifibre X-one biphase? I got tennis elbow about a year ago and started playing with soft multis.

My priority is to avoid getting tennis elbow again, so wondering if there is other alternative or if I should keep using x-one biphase.

I also used it as Hybrid with Alu power rough, experiencing the same short life. Thanks.
The first thing I would recommend is you swap Alu Power Rough for ALU Power Soft. Theses string are similar in many aspects, but the Alu Power Soft is a smooth poly, unlike Alu Rough. Shaped strings saw through soft multis quicker than smooth polys. I am surprised that nobody has mentioned that to you yet.

Like you I like X1 Bi-phase. I personally went through four 16g reels in my own frames as a cross a few years back. I used 16.5 feet off of each reel, giving me 40 sets of X1 crosses (660/16.5). X1 prices went like this while I was using it. $225 per reel, then $230, $250, $255, $275, $280 then now at $299 a reel. I thought $225 was expensive and I didn't pay $225. When it hit $250 a reel, I bailed on X1.

Now compare that to Prince Premier Control 16g which sells at 2 reels for $90 per reel and 15L at $62 per reel when you buy two reels.

Yes X1 is a good string, but at $299 a reel or any price over $10 a pack is it a good value ? No it isn't. Not to me. Prince Premier Control does everything X1 does at one third the price. I doubt any other poster has personally uses four reels of X1 in four years. I was dumb. Don't follow my putt. Pick a better value string without hurting your elbow at the same time.

Here my .02 since I don't know how long X1 is lasting you or what gauge you are using. Alu Power Soft Mains and then Prince Premiere Control crosses in either 15/15L/16 gauge

PPC is is softer than 16g X1 in both 16 and 15L gauges. A USTA 4.0 guy went 24-1 last year in his USTA matches. Yep, he is a very good 4.0 guy. And I string his Pure Drives with Head Hawk 17g / PPC 15g. He breaks the PPC cross every 3 weeks like clockwork. We have no idea what your level is, but even if you are a 4.5 guy an ALU Power Soft 16L / PPC Hybrid is going to feel as close to your current setup as any string combo I can think of and the PPC crosses can drop to $2.25 per cross. $90 / 40 sets of crosses if you only use 16.5 for crosses like me. If you use 20' for crosses, the price will $90/ (660'/20') = $2.73 per PPC cross since you get 33 20' cross strings from reel of 660'.

You wrote you are hybriding X1 with Alu Power but you didn't mention the gauge of the X1 nor how long the X1 lasts. The gauge of the X1 and the number of hours you put on the frame before the X1 breaks are two questions that would help in giving you a better recommendation. Hope this helps.





Look at the difference between 15L and 16 gauge PPC.
 

g4driver

Hall of Fame
Ok so maybe it depends where/when you play… let me elaborate more on my point. So what if it costs $3-4 more per stringing? The OP knows he likes the Xone, he is concerned about elbow issues, so unless he's poor it's not worth it IMO. Stick with what works. If he restrings once every two weeks with Xones- that's the cost of a cup of coffee/week…
I was snapping 16g X1 every 10 days, sometimes snapped it weekly. Even at $225 per reel, it is 660/40 or $5.62 per cross or $11.25 per pack.

My point is the OP can use a string that is softer than X1, has more spin potential than X1 and is one third the price of X1. $2.25 per cross for Prince Premier Control and $7 for X1 if you get it on sale for $14 a pack.

I strung my own frames three times a month for four years with X1-Biphase. That is roughly 36 times per year for 4 years with X1, close to 150 stringjobs. Wish I had discovered Prince Premiere Attack (the old name for the current Prince Premier Control).

I don't know why anyone would play with X1 if they tried PPC. IMO PPC is better than X1 is every category. And I love X1, but is ridiculously overpriced for what it brings to the table.
 

Dso

Semi-Pro
I was snapping 16g X1 every 10 days, sometimes snapped it weekly. Even at $225 per reel, it is 660/40 or $5.62 per cross or $11.25 per pack.

My point is the OP can use a string that is softer than X1, has more spin potential than X1 and is one third the price of X1. $2.25 per cross for Prince Premier Control and $7 for X1 if you get it on sale for $14 a pack.

I strung my own frames three times a month for four years with X1-Biphase. That is roughly 36 times per year for 4 years with X1, close to 150 stringjobs. Wish I had discovered Prince Premiere Attack (the old name for the current Prince Premier Control).

I don't know why anyone would play with X1 if they tried PPC. IMO PPC is better than X1 is every category. And I love X1, but is ridiculously overpriced for what it brings to the table.
I just checked PPC on TW. $10 set. Tecnifibre is $19 set or $14.41 set on sale. So on sale I can't see that as ridiculously over priced. Especially if someone restrings only twice a month. That being said if PPC is better in every category the OP would be extremely happy. Surprised more people don't rave about it more.

PPC isn't available in 17 gauge otherwise I'd likely try it.

I can easily get a month+ out of the Xones, 17 ga, while playing 3 times a week.
 

g4driver

Hall of Fame
Dso,

Compare PPC at $90 per reel vs $299 for a X1 reel. I am a stringer who tries to find a way to save clients money. You aren't a heavy stringer breaker using 17g and getting a month from it. The guys who use 15g PPC, get 3 weeks from it. They would snap 17g in a few hours.

The OP is asking for a comparable string to X1 at a cheaper price due to frequent string breakage.

If he is breaking string quickly, the first step is to try a thicker gauge of the same string. He didn't mention the gauge he is breaking. While you get a month from 17g X1, he might get two weeks from 16g. I got about 10 days from 16g X1.

So while you are paying $7.20 per X1 cross string, a user buying a reel of PPC can string his crosses at $2.25 per cross.

Heavy string breakers who have to pay for stringing fees multiple times per month likely use 16g not 17g. I string 4 to 5 frames a day and don't look for any business at all. Business finds me by word of mouth. At $299 per reel X1 is ridiculous over priced for anyone in the stringing business.

If the only string you use is 17g and you only break it once per month, you aren't the client who needs a cheaper alternative like the OP who asked.

One more consideration is the OP is only using X1 as a cross not a full bed like you. Throwing away 3.5 feet by using a 1/2 pack of X1 is wasting string compared to what the OP can do by purchasing a reel and using only 16.5' for his crosses. This is key to saving money when you break strings frequently. The method you use X1 is by the pack. You have to buy 16.5 packs to get the same amount of string in a reel. But you waste far less string with reel, since you can cut off 16.5' for each cross vs the 20' from a pack. A reel can give someone 40 crosses vs 33 crosses from the same 660' feet you get from 16 1/2 packs. And yes, you can buy a 1/2 set of string in most tennis shops.
 
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xFullCourtTenniSx

Hall of Fame
Hi guys,
Any recommendations for a cheaper substitute for Tecnifibre X-one biphase? I got tennis elbow about a year ago and started playing with soft multis. First I started with Babolat Exel and then switched to X-one biphase, but these strings don't last at all. I got the red version because it lasts a little bit more. At $20 per package, I am looking for a decent substitute. My priority is to avoid getting tennis elbow again, so wondering if there is other alternative or if I should keep using x-one biphase. I also used it as Hybrid with Alu power rough, experiencing the same short life. Any recommendation is highly appreciated.Thanks.
Do not hybrid multis with textured strings. They drastically reduce the life of the string. I used NXT mains with ALU Rough crosses (for fun) and got 1 hour from it (I got 3 hours in the reverse setup). I used NXT mains with a smooth 17g poly and got ~7 hours, consisting of mostly sets and some serve practice (maybe 1-2 hours worth).

If you're also having problems with durability in a full bed, I can't help you there, as I'm currently looking around myself. I'm currently on Gosen Poly Professional 17+Gosen OG Sheep Micro Super, which is $6.50 per racket. It's doing pretty well in terms of performance, but I'm still measuring durability.
 

g4driver

Hall of Fame
That being said if PPC is better in every category the OP would be extremely happy. Surprised more people don't rave about it more.
There are plenty of people who don't even know about PPC, must less all the info I posted about it been less stiff than X1 and having more spin potential. So consider the source of people giving the advice.

Correct me if I am wrong but weren't you one of the two guys used HDX Tour who both complained of pain and didn't know it has poly fibers in it until I told you in another thread?

So here is an example of two players posting about strings and it's stiffness without understanding a key component of the string they are writing about. Then again there are plenty of posters who know about PPC and who buy it , but will never read this thread of post about it.

When I string a frame, I string it as if it were my own frame. I offer a money back guarantee on every string job I give. If a customer doesn't like it, I will restring for free or refund their money. I offer many customers their choice of X1 or PPC, and tell them what I would put in my frame if it were me.

I was dumb enough to buy four reels of 16g X1-BI-Phase. If a player likes 16g X1, my advice is don't be as dumb as I was, buy two reels of PPC instead.
 

SteveI

Legend
Hello....

X-1 is a great string when used in the right frame and by the right player. It is not what I would call a great price /performer. The frames that it worked well for me were the Pro Kennex 5g and the Dunlop M3.0. These frames for my game needed a power type string and neither frame ate multis up. I did try x-1 in a more open stringbed... and it was not a good match. When I think X-1... I think 16 x 20 or 18 x 20.. smaller head.

I will have to get a set of PPC and give it a try. It would be great if it came in a 17G...
 

Dso

Semi-Pro
Correct me if I am wrong but weren't you one of the two guys used HDX Tour who both complained of pain and didn't know it has poly fibers in it until I told you in another thread?

So here is an example of two players posting about strings and it's stiffness without understanding a key component of the string they are writing about. Then again there are plenty of posters who know about PPC and who buy it , but will never read this thread of post about it.
It might have been me. I used it for a very short time (minutes) in a new racquet and said it didn't seem to feel very comfortable. As much as I love Xones, I'm always interested in trying new things. I figured a multifilament with some poly fibers might offer some comfort still while offering a more crisp feel. Another well regarded poster said it is a great string. Might still be.

Sounds like you have a bit of chip on your shoulder which I can't understand.

I'll stand my my recommendation for Xone. Can't say anything about PPC.
 

Dso

Semi-Pro
Hello....

X-1 is a great string when used in the right frame and by the right player. It is not what I would call a great price /performer. The frames that it worked well for me were the Pro Kennex 5g and the Dunlop M3.0. These frames for my game needed a power type string and neither frame ate multis up. I did try x-1 in a more open stringbed... and it was not a good match. When I think X-1... I think 16 x 20 or 18 x 20.. smaller head.

I will have to get a set of PPC and give it a try. It would be great if it came in a 17G...
Yeah, Xones fray like crazy in larger open string beds I'm my experience. I've been using them Head Graphene XT Prestige Pro and love it. They seem to wear just fine- some fraying after a few weeks. They are still ok for me when frayed but I'll restring anyway.

Agree on wishing PPC in 17 ga.
 

g4driver

Hall of Fame
There is no chip on my shoulder, and my intention is to simply save the OP some coin. If you took my post any other way, it is probably my writing style or the fact my words have no tone of voice. Pretty sure me writing "don't be dumb like me", doesn't imply a guy with a chip on his shoulder.

I try to save people money on strings. And I have plenty of clients who know just that. The OP has some info from the TW database and some methods to achieve what he was looking for: a cheaper alternative to X1 bi-phase.

Best wishes to you DSO- no chip or hard feelings in any manner.
 
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Dso

Semi-Pro
All good. We all have different points of view. It's up to the OP to make their decision. Speaking of which. Are they listening? Lol
 

galicia2102

New User
Welll...arriving at this point maybe my comment could be interesting or the opposite...i had and have elbow at today more or less lower than 6 months ago
I was using x-one long time ago and i have some raquets with it!!!
One day i strung my 2nd Volkl X10 with pros pro hot stuff with 1kg more of tension than X-one...i tested same day x-one vs hot stuff so i started with x-one as usual and volkl x10...after one hour i changed to my 2nd raquet and...what was my surprise that i felt a similar control but string more confortable...i felt mire crispy the x-one ...
At today i continue with Pros pro Hot Stuff and very happy with it!!!
 

JustTennis76

Professional
There are plenty of people who don't even know about PPC, must less all the info I posted about it been less stiff than X1 and having more spin potential. So consider the source of people giving the advice.

Correct me if I am wrong but weren't you one of the two guys used HDX Tour who both complained of pain and didn't know it has poly fibers in it until I told you in another thread?

So here is an example of two players posting about strings and it's stiffness without understanding a key component of the string they are writing about. Then again there are plenty of posters who know about PPC and who buy it , but will never read this thread of post about it.

When I string a frame, I string it as if it were my own frame. I offer a money back guarantee on every string job I give. If a customer doesn't like it, I will restring for free or refund their money. I offer many customers their choice of X1 or PPC, and tell them what I would put in my frame if it were me.

I was dumb enough to buy four reels of 16g X1-BI-Phase. If a player likes 16g X1, my advice is don't be as dumb as I was, buy two reels of PPC instead.
I have been using Prince Premier Attack(now called PPC) 16 lately and absolutely love it in every hybrid I have used. Right now, I have PPA 16 in the mains and experimenting with different smooth polys in the crosses. X1 is very expensive and not a good price to performance value if you are a string breaker.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
I agree with a lot of what most of you are saying. People should try other strings to find the string that suits there game best. Stiffer strings are not always bad. With a little stiffer string it usually has a little less energy return which enable you to swing harder putting more spin on the ball and resulting in a faster ball return. It don't be so blind to think that some one that doesn't like the same strings you like are foolish. A lot of people like different strings for a lot of different reasons.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
Novak Djokovic used to play with X-One and I'm sure he could have played with any string he wanted even if he had to pay for the string which I doubt.
 

anhboa2

Rookie
Novak Djokovic used to play with X-One and I'm sure he could have played with any string he wanted even if he had to pay for the string which I doubt.
Can't deny it is a good string but also I believe OP asked for alternative replacement that's mean he is searching for smt closer in performance but CHEAPER ?
 

Dso

Semi-Pro
Can't deny it is a good string but also I believe OP asked for alternative replacement that's mean he is searching for smt closer in performance but CHEAPER ?
The OP disappeared so it's our thread now. LOL. j/k. I'm not aware of anything although others have posted options. ;)
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
Can't deny it is a good string but also I believe OP asked for alternative replacement that's mean he is searching for smt closer in performance but CHEAPER ?
I think so too. Don't you think NRG2 at >$13 / set is cheaper? Or even using X-One in the mains and hybrid it it or NRG2 with MultiFeel is cheaper? I got the impression the OP wanted something like X-One which was cheaper or lasted longer. And was going to keep him away from TE.
NRG2 is a very good string and it's on sale right now if you buy 3 sets. Also Multifeel is a good string but it won't last as long but it's about 1/3 the price right now. There's also HDX Tour but that a step up in price and durability. TGV is also a great string. Look for a string while it on sale TW has them on sale a lot. Live Wire Professional is a good soft string too.

EDIT: One of my customers is a big X-One 17 fan he just does not like the price. I started using X-One mains and Multifeel crosses and he likes it almost just as well.
There is another cheaper string that will last a great deal longer that most find easy on the elbow Head RIP Control.

EDIT: But X-One and RIP Control are completely different strings. If you like X-One you probably won't like a completely different substitute. I like just about all the Tecnifibre multi strings (and many others,) but there are son cheap Syn Guts I like too. I'm trying a Sun Gut now I got on sale for $1/set. You're never going to know what's best for you until you start exploring.
 
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