Check out these old greats on vid

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  1. Limpinhitter

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    Tony Trabert vs. Ken Rosewall at the 1955 U.S. Nationals finals. Trabert won the French, Wimbledon and U.S. Championships that year. Rosewall kept Trabert from winning The Grand Slam by beating him in the semifinal of the Australian Nationals.

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    We've seen highlights as posted by Krosero, but here's the full match...

    FULL VERSION Borg vs Laver WITC 1977
     
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    I am so grateful for these clips.. !! I was hardly born then and wish tennis was more like this now. My game is similar to this! I guess i was born 20 years to late!
     
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    Double post sorry
     
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    Glad you found it. I posted a link to this match a few months ago, but then it was taken down. Borg had just won his first Wimbledon title at 20. Laver was 38 and semi-retired, but, seemed to be unhampered by prior injuries (although he is noticeably overweight compared to his prime), and played a great match, on clay, against a clay court GOAT.

    PS: Gonzalez makes some complimentary observations about Laver's forehand and serve. You usually hear about Laver's backhand. But, before his wrist injury, his forehand was probably a bigger weapon.

    PPS: Watching it again, I noticed Laver shaking out his wrist after a missed serve. So, I'm not so sure about the status of that in this match.
     
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    So much to study for people who don't know these guys, just by watching this video. Unlike earlier videos on grass, strokes are very clear.

    Did you catch Gonzalez's comment that Borg hit a lot of short balls because of all the topspin? This underscores the similarity between Borg and Nadal.
     
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    McEnroe Borg Fire and Ice


    Perhaps download this stuff before it gets taken down.

    You can use keepvid.com.
     
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    I'm going to piggy-back on this video in a new thread. I think it deserves more comment...
     
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    Not going to search to see if this was posted before as it is well worth another look.

     
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    USO 1977 Final - Full match

     
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    The greatest victory of Vilas. The match which makes him a god in Argentina.
     
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    Jean Pierre, clearly it was his most famous victory but I think his 1974 victory in the Year End Masters on grass may have been even more impressive. He beat Borg, Ramirez, Newcombe, Nastase and I think Parun.

    The legend goes that Vilas practiced for at least three hours before the final which does show his incredible stamina. What a great backhand he had! Bud Collins compared it to Laver's backhand.
     
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    I agree. I always thought that the most brilliant victories of Vilas were in Australia (especially Masters but also AO), because it was on grass, and he had to do an incredible work to win on grass.
     
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    Edit: Blocked already. Sorry....
     
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    Hope this stays up. Part 1 of 5.

     
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    Another classic.

     
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    Talk with Wilander at 1:11:10, and Don Budge at 1:20:05 on court side.

     
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    Interesting match stats mentioned in the mecir Connors match, if correct. First set mecir with 12 winners, Connors none? I have trouble seeing Connors not hitting a winner in a set in any match in his career(even the double bagel vs Lendl)
     
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    Loved Don gabbing about the 2HBH. Thanks for posting.

    Very unusual indeed. Can you point to the timeframe those stats are mentioned?
     
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    Trabert was an awesome player. He seemed to own Rosewall in these big occasions.
     
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    @NonP at 1:22 Donald Dell mentions that Connors didn't have any winners in the first set, but watching some of that set I can confirm that's not correct.
     
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    Bobby Riggs seemed to indicate that if Trabert fully dedicated himself to tennis in the pros that he would have had a good chance to be number one. I'll see if I can find the quote later.
     
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    From Tennis, Myth and Method by Ellsworth Vines-Quote by Bobby Riggs-Now Trabert was another case. When he was amateur champion he was a good competitor but I felt as a professional he threw in the towel too early after being waxed by Gonzalez on their tour. He didn't hang around the scene...and he should have. He was the one player who hit as hard and almost as consistently as Budge, and his serve was even harder. I've told Tony he was a disappointment to me in this regard...and he simply said: "I realized all my goals. ...I could make as much money running tennis camps."

    If I read between the lines Dan, it's seems to me that Riggs believes that Trabert could have been number one in comparing him to Don Budge.
     
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    Trabert was awesome, his only admitted weak point was foot speed, not that he was slow, but that he played in a group of speedy rabbits, like Gonzales, Hoad, Sedgman, Rosewall, Segura, eventually Laver.
    Trabert seemed to be able to overpower Rosewall in many big matches, including the 1953 Davis Cup, the 1955 Forest Hills final, the 1958 Wembley semi, the 1959 Roland Garros semi, the 1961 Kramer Cup final.
     
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    Trabert definitely was an awesome player. He was one of the few players that in absolute terms had a better backhand than forehand. Both sides were great on return and on groundstokes.
     
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    Hoad was quoted in a Sports Illustrated interview, that everyone talked about Rosewall's backhand, but that Hoad was always more afraid of Trabert's backhand, which he thought was the more dangerous weapon.
     
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    Interesting. I wouldn't rule it out. Trabert was one of the few with a topspin backhand in those days. Of course dangerous doesn't necessarily mean better but from what I've read Trabert at worst had a comparable backhand to Rosewall.
     
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    This is an unusual find. 8 minutes of Evert's first Wimbledon win in 1974 over Olga Morazova, the same woman she faced in France a month earlier to win RG. This may be her luckiest draw to a major title. Olga was overwhelmed and out of her league.
     
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    I don't know if it's an official tournament (I think not). Very difficult for Vilas against Becker on hard court.

     
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    Thanks. Yeah I'm guessing it's unusual for even the most passive pushers not to have a single winner for an entire set. For Jimbo that would be close to a unicorn.

    In that same book Vines himself says Trabert was the only one who would be able to challenge Budge from the baseline consistently and it would be Don's slightly superior food speed that makes the difference. And as Riggs said Tony wasn't the most tenacious of champions. Both of them obviously held Tony in high regard and felt he should've done more.
     
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    The final point to break in the 5th was so unfortunate for the losing player.

     
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