Check out these old greats on vid
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NicoMK
Hall of Fame
Great! One that I've ever wanted to see. Thanks for the update
Moose Malloy
G.O.A.T.
Fun highlights of McNamee-Nelson 1st round at Wimbledon, 1987. Match was scheduled on Monday, started play on Wednesday on an outer court, was finished on Center Court on Friday. At the time it set the record for longest 5th set in a major in the Open Era(19-17). Both players were ranked outside the top 100 at the time. McNamee saved 5 match points.
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NicoMK
Hall of Fame
Thanks. Never heard of this match before, I'll have a look. Incredible that it spanned from Monday to Friday on 2 different courts lol.
PDJ
G.O.A.T.
Thanks for posting. Fun to watch.
NicoMK
Hall of Fame
If you asked me, I'd say that it is a great upload. Gosh these guys have been playing against each other since they were kids. I wish I could clock back the time once again. I wonder if these guys would like too.
Coupe Galea 1978 (you have to watch it on YT, sorry for this).
Coupe Galea 1978 (you have to watch it on YT, sorry for this).
Moose Malloy
G.O.A.T.
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thelimfactor
Rookie
Observations: Wilander came in a few times to finish off points. Bobo's serve reminded me of Gaby's serve. Bobo resembles Sly Stallone!
Spencer Gore
Legend
Does anyone know if the Wimbledon official Films for 1970,1971 and 1972 are available anywhere? Amazon Prime have the rest for sale/rent but seem to be missing those years.
Any help tracking them down greatly appreciated!
Any help tracking them down greatly appreciated!
PDJ
G.O.A.T.
The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
Anybody watch that match with Gumy?
PDJ
G.O.A.T.
I watched this last week. I must admit, I did think he'd won at RG!
Spencer Gore
Legend
Hi PDJ,
Thanks so much for your reply. I was actually referring to the fact that 1970,71 and 72 are missing from the Prime Video website in the UK. Although they say 1970 is available, when you buy it the video doesn't play (other reviewers mention this, also). 1971 and 1972 aren't listed at all. I remember seeing 1971 on YouTube a few years ago but I'm not even sure if 1972 has ever been available. Does anyone know?
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I have some old official tournament videos of 1968 and 1968 with the voice of Charlton Heston. They are not very good, because they often have close ups and seldom overview court perspectives of rallies. Better to watch are videos of finals 1969, 1970, 1971 and 1972, which were available to buy by internet sellers and for a time on you tube. Sadly, the 1968 final never was sold on the internet.
PDJ
G.O.A.T.
I'm sure I've seen something on 1972 - because of Chris Evert. I'll do some digging.
PDJ
G.O.A.T.
The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
PDJ
G.O.A.T.
1971
Dance of champions at Wimbledon 1971 | Sounds like a fun night Two great Aussie champions having a laugh on the dance floor. #Wimbledon | By Australian Open | Facebook
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MEN'S AND WOMEN'S SINGLE WIMBLEDON 1971 - Film & Video Stock
The 1971 Wimbledon Open Tennis Tournament. Evonne Goolagong defeating Margaret Court in women's singles. John Newcombe defeating Stan Smith in the men's singles. Both winner's receive trophies for their efforts.
PDJ
G.O.A.T.
I've seen both. Yes, really good. Leconte came off as less as a d1ck than normal!
Sabatini, looked incredible!
I appreciated how honest both of them were.
PDJ
G.O.A.T.
1970
Wimbledon 1970 - Quand Pietrangeli déclarait forfait pour assister au Mondial
En 1970, Nicola Pietrangeli a préféré assister au Mondial au Mexique plutôt que de disputer Wimbledon ! Dans Troisième Service, Julien Pichené narre cet événement.
UK: DEFENDING CHAMPION ROD LAVER OF AUSTRALIA BEATEN IN MENS SINGLES AT WIMBLEDON, BY BRITAIN'S ROGER TAYLOR
Plenty+of+upsets+today+%28Saturday%29+at+the+Wimbledon+Open+Tennis+Championships+-+the+biggest+surprise+being+the+defeat+of+champion+and+odds-on+favourite+rod+Laver+by+Britain%27s+Roger+Taylor.
www.britishpathe.com
https://youtu.be/ec_PhVf_iyY
Spencer Gore
Legend
PDJ,1970
Wimbledon 1970 - Quand Pietrangeli déclarait forfait pour assister au Mondial
En 1970, Nicola Pietrangeli a préféré assister au Mondial au Mexique plutôt que de disputer Wimbledon ! Dans Troisième Service, Julien Pichené narre cet événement.fr.sports.yahoo.com
UK: DEFENDING CHAMPION ROD LAVER OF AUSTRALIA BEATEN IN MENS SINGLES AT WIMBLEDON, BY BRITAIN'S ROGER TAYLOR
Plenty+of+upsets+today+%28Saturday%29+at+the+Wimbledon+Open+Tennis+Championships+-+the+biggest+surprise+being+the+defeat+of+champion+and+odds-on+favourite+rod+Laver+by+Britain%27s+Roger+Taylor.
https://youtu.be/ec_PhVf_iyY
Thank you so much for your sterling efforts tracking down all this material. Unfortunately, I'm actually specifically looking for the official films from 1970,71 and 72 to complete my collection. But I'm very much looking forward to watching these vids that you have provided!
PDJ
G.O.A.T.
I enjoyed looking. Plus found some hidden gems that I would have otherwise missed.
Good luck with finding your missing films.
Spencer Gore
Legend
King_olaf_the_hairy
Professional
Some footage on the British Pathé YT channel from the very first Open tennis tournament in Bournemouth in 1968:
King_olaf_the_hairy
Professional
King_olaf_the_hairy
Professional
There's a BBC documentary series called "Gods of Tennis" (about the sport in the 1970s and '80s) which broadcast its first episode this past Sunday. I'm pretty sure people outside the UK can't watch the actual show on iPlayer unless you're adept at bypassing the various restrictions, but can you view the two-minute long previews?
www.bbc.co.uk
www.bbc.co.uk
www.bbc.co.uk
McEnroe's iconic Wimbledon meltdown
Three-time champion John McEnroe relives his iconic rant at the Wimbledon match officials in 1981 as part of a new BBC documentary series, Gods of Tennis.
www.bbc.co.uk
'I was the bad guy of Wimbledon' - Navratilova
Martina Navratilova explains how she burst on to the scene as the "brash, aggressive, bad guy" of Wimbledon in the new BBC documentary series, Gods of Tennis.
www.bbc.co.uk
When Borg mania hit Wimbledon
Tennis legends look back to 1973, when the arrival of Bjorn Borg sparked wild scenes at Wimbledon as female fans mobbed the Swedish star, in the new BBC documentary Gods of Tennis.
www.bbc.co.uk
PDJ
G.O.A.T.
Short answer is 'no', you can't view outside the UK without a VPN.There's a BBC documentary series called "Gods of Tennis" (about the sport in the 1970s and '80s) which broadcast its first episode this past Sunday. I'm pretty sure people outside the UK can't watch the actual show on iPlayer unless you're adept at bypassing the various restrictions, but can you view the two-minute long previews?
McEnroe's iconic Wimbledon meltdown
Three-time champion John McEnroe relives his iconic rant at the Wimbledon match officials in 1981 as part of a new BBC documentary series, Gods of Tennis.
'I was the bad guy of Wimbledon' - Navratilova
Martina Navratilova explains how she burst on to the scene as the "brash, aggressive, bad guy" of Wimbledon in the new BBC documentary series, Gods of Tennis.
When Borg mania hit Wimbledon
Tennis legends look back to 1973, when the arrival of Bjorn Borg sparked wild scenes at Wimbledon as female fans mobbed the Swedish star, in the new BBC documentary Gods of Tennis.
Znak
Hall of Fame
King_olaf_the_hairy
Professional
Those of a certain age may remember at Wimbledon in 1981 where, after his semi-final with Rod Frawley, John McEnroe stormed out of the post-match press-conference having been asked about his relationship with Stacy Margolin. American journalists took exception to the British tabloid "rotters" wrecking the Q&A, while the Brits felt it was all fair game. Pretty quickly the whole thing descended into a fracas with punches thrown, etc etc. The Independent reminisced about it here in 2006 (its 25th anniversary) courtesy of one of the hacks who was present at the time.
Well, apparently last year the ITN Archives' YouTube channel uploaded footage of the... brawl? Melee? Scuffle? Handbags at dawn? Worth watching just for the "punchline" at the end from the AELTC staffer desperately trying to restore order.
Well, apparently last year the ITN Archives' YouTube channel uploaded footage of the... brawl? Melee? Scuffle? Handbags at dawn? Worth watching just for the "punchline" at the end from the AELTC staffer desperately trying to restore order.
I found a short clip by British Pathe from the Laver-Okker match at Madison Square Garden, the final of the Tennis Classic series 1971, in which Laver won all 13 matches and 160000$. Note the second point, which is a fine rally between two of the fastest players.
www.britishpathe.com/asset/225998/
www.britishpathe.com/asset/225998/
King_olaf_the_hairy
Professional
Thirty years ago today: Pete Sampras vs Andrew Foster in Wimbledon's fourth round, uploaded to Youtube only a month ago. It has a big ugly IMG watermark on it so god only knows how the uploader got hold of it.
It should have been an uneventful straight sets win for the champion-to-be, ending the fairytale run of a 332nd-ranked wildcard. Instead, away out on Court no.14, the not-so-genteel crowd got completely under his skin as they cheered their home hope's every winner (and Pete's every error) until the American closed it out in the third set tiebreak. At that moment, he turned to the crowd, pumped his fist, and said "YEAH! Take that you motherf*****s!", and then walked off to a chorus of loud boos.
Unfortunately you only hear the "YEAH" in the video, as the initial applause drowns out his pithy repartee, but you can see some in the crowd reacting to him. Sampras denied it in the post-match press conference, telling reporters he'd merely said "Thank you very much, God bless you, hasta la vista", but in an NPR interview in 2008 admitted that the fruity version was the accurate one.
It should have been an uneventful straight sets win for the champion-to-be, ending the fairytale run of a 332nd-ranked wildcard. Instead, away out on Court no.14, the not-so-genteel crowd got completely under his skin as they cheered their home hope's every winner (and Pete's every error) until the American closed it out in the third set tiebreak. At that moment, he turned to the crowd, pumped his fist, and said "YEAH! Take that you motherf*****s!", and then walked off to a chorus of loud boos.
Unfortunately you only hear the "YEAH" in the video, as the initial applause drowns out his pithy repartee, but you can see some in the crowd reacting to him. Sampras denied it in the post-match press conference, telling reporters he'd merely said "Thank you very much, God bless you, hasta la vista", but in an NPR interview in 2008 admitted that the fruity version was the accurate one.
NonP
Legend
He actually fessed up to it earlier in his book (for those of you who haven't read it). Pretty sure it was already common knowledge among the pros, though.
Speaking of which:
Yes, in his book Pete flat-out calls it a "snub" and makes no bones about feeling disrespected. I didn't know till recently that he served a whopping 27 aces in 1R vs. Martin Lee. Doubt he ever posted a higher rate in a straight-setter, which does lend credence to the view that his shock L to Bastl was a one-off.
King_olaf_the_hairy
Professional
He actually fessed up to it earlier in his book (for those of you who haven't read it). Pretty sure it was already common knowledge among the pros, though.
For some reason I had it in my head that Sampras' book came out after Andre's, i.e. after 2009. In retrospect the NPR interview was presumably part of a tour to promote the book.
I had another look at A Champion's Mind, which I confess I've only skimmed so far. (Pete may have been the greater player, but Agassi > Sampras when it comes to hiring ghost writers. Open, for all its flaws, was a much easier read.) Anyway, what I noticed was another addition to the old thread trashing inaccurate biographies:
To make matters worse for me, we were assigned to the most remote court on the grounds, Court 13.
Technically, 13 was one of the main or "show" courts, because it had a towering stand of portable aluminum bleachers on one side of the court. (In contrast, the "field" courts, where they usually put obscure players, have very little seating room.) But it was first-come, first-served seating at 13, and anyone who had a ticket or pass that got him onto the Wimbledon grounds could stake out a place there. That meant the most passionate and enthusiastic fans would be there, but also the rowdiest, most partisan—and most inebriated.
The matches scheduled before ours went long, so it was early evening by the time Foster and I took the court. That gave fans plenty of time to lube their pipes with British lagers or the traditional fruity Pimms cups. I was determined not to get into a war out there, because that’s just the kind of situation that could spin out of control. I played nearly flawless tennis to win the first two sets, losing just three games.
But Foster, stoked out of his gourd by the occasion and the vocal fans, hung tough in the third set. We stayed on serve through six, eight, ten games—by which time the crowd, sensing life in Foster, was really getting into it. It was also getting toward twilight. All the elements that a favorite dreads were falling into place: lousy conditions, unruly fans, a lead that could slip away. Still, I figured that in the worst case I could just extend the match until it was called because of darkness, and regroup to put the guy away the following day. But something inside me didn’t want to do that. Something in me really wanted to bear down, dig deep, and put the guy out. This was part of wiping away that bitter aftertaste that had lingered in my mouth after the last U.S. Open final. Foster was no Edberg, and Court 16 [?!] was not Louis Armstrong Stadium, but in its own way this was a pivotal moment for me.
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Moose Malloy
G.O.A.T.
He actually fessed up to it earlier in his book (for those of you who haven't read it). Pretty sure it was already common knowledge among the pros, though.
Speaking of which:
Yes, in his book Pete flat-out calls it a "snub" and makes no bones about feeling disrespected. I didn't know till recently that he served a whopping 27 aces in 1R vs. Martin Lee. Doubt he ever posted a higher rate in a straight-setter, which does lend credence to the view that his shock L to Bastl was a one-off.
Pete must have selective memory - he was put on outside courts a fair amount during his Wimbledon reign, he got no big 3 treatment. It's a myth that he and top players of the 90s always played on Centre or Court 1 back then, being put on Court 2 or less was not uncommon. In that context being on Court 2 in 2002 was not surprising. Samprasfan1987 has added a lot of early round Sampras matches to youtube recently where you can see his court assignments. Plus I researched it a lot over the years(since Bastl always gets brought up as some sort of outlier).
Here are some of Sampras' court assignments(in comparison Fed and Djokovic have played many years where they never played outside of Centre, and people here freak out when they get put on Court 1 once every 5 years or so). Also, Court 1 prior to being rebuilt in '97 was kind of a lame court - not a lot of seating and barriers obstructing views. Many outside courts today are of much better quality than the old Court 1.
1999 - first 4 rounds - Centre, Court 1, Court 1, Court 2(wonder if the five time champ felt disrespected being on 2 that year? Henman was more of a priority with Wimbledon that year)
1997 - first 4 rounds - Centre, Court 1, Centre, Court 1
1995 - first 4 rounds - Centre, Court 1, Court 1, Centre
1994 - Sampras - his first year as defending champion, was put on Court 14 for his 2nd round vs Reneberg! And he was out on Court 2 for his 3rd and 4th round matches.
1993 - Sampras was #1 seed. first 4 rounds - Court 1, Centre, Court 2, Court 14
Also here were Agassi's court assignments in '92- Court 1, Court 2, Centre, Court 2. He was the biggest draw then, but still got relegated to Court 2 - I was in the standing room only section of that Court, couldn't really see much
It's clear that Wimbledon back then tried to be a bit more fair and balanced with Court assignments than they are today.Here's that Reneberg match from '94. Still shaking my head at #1 seed and defending champion being out on Court 14. I think Djokovic's crazy fans would probably riot if that ever happened.
I gather that there was rain on Day 2, so they were slightly behind schedule, but it's still weird they would relegate him to Court 14 on Day 3. Edberg, Stich and Bruguera-Rafter(a classic match) got show courts that day.
26 aces in a pretty short match. wonder what the unret serve % was?
I remember, that Sampras once had a pretty tough match on a minor court with the big serving Czech Vacek. Some other close matches on outside courts i remember, were Laver-Lall in 1969, Borg-Edmondson in 1977, Becker-Mayotte in 1985. Mayer-Nastase in 1973 was i think on Nr.2, the graveyard of champions..
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King_olaf_the_hairy
Professional
I was looking at Sampras's 1996 Wimbledon run, which @Moose Malloy didn't list. Maybe he spent all his time on Centre Court that year? It shows how players had it compared to today's 32-seed draws:
Thomas Muster (ranked #2 but contentiously the seventh seed) dropped out just before the event began and everyone else below him was moved up a place. So that means of Pete's five matches only Kucera would have been unseeded in a current slam. Frankly, with the drop-off in top talent in the so-called "weak era"/"career inflation era" they should maybe think about going back to 16 seeds...
Anyhoo, the real reason I came back to this thread was to post a wee clip of the 1948 Wimbledon final between Falkenburg and Bromwich, which was 75 years ago today.
The interesting thing for me is watching Bromwich and his famous strokes. The long rally featured in this newsreel clip shows him serving with his right, and then during the rally he hits a lefty forehand, some two-handed backhands (including volleys) and a right-handed overhead! The coaches at a modern tennis academy would have kittens if they saw something like that. So too would fans today — if the GPPD forum think someone like Daniil Medvedev is unorthodox, what would they make of the Aussie?
- R1: Richey Reneberg (ranked #24)
- R2: Mark Phillippousis (ranked #33)
- R3: Karol Kucera (ranked #102, but would be top 10 within a couple of years)
- R4: Cedric Pioline (ranked #15)
- QF: Richard Krajicek (ranked #17)
Thomas Muster (ranked #2 but contentiously the seventh seed) dropped out just before the event began and everyone else below him was moved up a place. So that means of Pete's five matches only Kucera would have been unseeded in a current slam. Frankly, with the drop-off in top talent in the so-called "weak era"/"career inflation era" they should maybe think about going back to 16 seeds...
Anyhoo, the real reason I came back to this thread was to post a wee clip of the 1948 Wimbledon final between Falkenburg and Bromwich, which was 75 years ago today.
The interesting thing for me is watching Bromwich and his famous strokes. The long rally featured in this newsreel clip shows him serving with his right, and then during the rally he hits a lefty forehand, some two-handed backhands (including volleys) and a right-handed overhead! The coaches at a modern tennis academy would have kittens if they saw something like that. So too would fans today — if the GPPD forum think someone like Daniil Medvedev is unorthodox, what would they make of the Aussie?
Debraj
New User
Excuse my english,but can you please tell me,from where you collected the data about match venues?i checked both tennis abstract and uts for this,but they don't have data about courts specifically.Also if you don't mind,can you please specify the differences between conditions of a typical inside court and a typical outside court?(sorry if i sound rude)Pete must have selective memory - he was put on outside courts a fair amount during his Wimbledon reign, he got no big 3 treatment. It's a myth that he and top players of the 90s always played on Centre or Court 1 back then, being put on Court 2 or less was not uncommon. In that context being on Court 2 in 2002 was not surprising. Samprasfan1987 has added a lot of early round Sampras matches to youtube recently where you can see his court assignments. Plus I researched it a lot over the years(since Bastl always gets brought up as some sort of outlier).
Here are some of Sampras' court assignments(in comparison Fed and Djokovic have played many years where they never played outside of Centre, and people here freak out when they get put on Court 1 once every 5 years or so). Also, Court 1 prior to being rebuilt in '97 was kind of a lame court - not a lot of seating and barriers obstructing views. Many outside courts today are of much better quality than the old Court 1.
1999 - first 4 rounds - Centre, Court 1, Court 1, Court 2(wonder if the five time champ felt disrespected being on 2 that year? Henman was more of a priority with Wimbledon that year)
1997 - first 4 rounds - Centre, Court 1, Centre, Court 1
1995 - first 4 rounds - Centre, Court 1, Court 1, Centre
1994 - Sampras - his first year as defending champion, was put on Court 14 for his 2nd round vs Reneberg! And he was out on Court 2 for his 3rd and 4th round matches.
1993 - Sampras was #1 seed. first 4 rounds - Court 1, Centre, Court 2, Court 14
Also here were Agassi's court assignments in '92- Court 1, Court 2, Centre, Court 2. He was the biggest draw then, but still got relegated to Court 2 - I was in the standing room only section of that Court, couldn't really see much
Here's that Reneberg match from '94. Still shaking my head at #1 seed and defending champion being out on Court 14. I think Djokovic's crazy fans would probably riot if that ever happened.
I gather that there was rain on Day 2, so they were slightly behind schedule, but it's still weird they would relegate him to Court 14 on Day 3. Edberg, Stich and Bruguera-Rafter(a classic match) got show courts that day.
26 aces in a pretty short match. wonder what the unret serve % was?
NicoMK
Hall of Fame
Excerpts of a great match, one that should should upset @Mustard and @Musterrific lol
All good here for Guga, except that it's probably this match that brought Luxilon into tennis and probably changed the face of it.
All good here for Guga, except that it's probably this match that brought Luxilon into tennis and probably changed the face of it.
NicoMK
Hall of Fame
So true!
Mustard
Bionic Poster
On the surface, that's the biggest shocker of all there in 1994, especially considering that Sampras had been showing excellent form for the best part of a year, and that the first half of 1994 was perhaps the most dominant run of form in his whole career. Sampras was also the reigning Wimbledon champion, yet went Court 14, Court, 2, Court 2 from the second to fourth rounds! Jeremy Bates was probably more of a priority for the Wimbledon authorities.
Actually, I read that Bromwich carried some German shrapnel in his shoulder from service in North Africa.
Perhaps he got wounded in both theatres of war?
CyBorg
Legend
This channel has been absolutely killing it the past few weeks with oustanding, and often rare, uploads. Support them and encourage them to post more: https://www.youtube.com/@tennislegendsonlineretrotennis
bobcolbert
Rookie
Becker-Vilas 86, in a very fast court. Great.
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