Chicago State University Men's Tennis

xeropwnage

New User
Currently attending CSU and have noticed they have a men's tennis team. Have not had a chance to see them play yet, but their record for the past few years has been rather pitiful.

The point of this thread is not to insult them or the program. I have no experience or knowledge with college tennis and am genuinely interested: are they really that bad or is everyone else just that good?
 
You don't have to be nice about it. They are one of the worst D1 programs. Up there with MD-Eastern Shore and Oral Roberts(not as bad but should definitely be better considering their solid other sports programs).

Some schools just don't have the resources. Chicago State is pretty bad in all sports, it wasn't long ago that they went winless in basketball. Probably just a case of absolutely no resources.
 

andfor

Legend
You don't have to be nice about it. They are one of the worst D1 programs. Up there with MD-Eastern Shore and Oral Roberts(not as bad but should definitely be better considering their solid other sports programs).

Some schools just don't have the resources. Chicago State is pretty bad in all sports, it wasn't long ago that they went winless in basketball. Probably just a case of absolutely no resources.
I can think of a number of D1 programs much worse than the ones you mentioned. Naming them does not do anyone any good. Schools that have tennis programs are a good thing, they can't all be top 25. Give the kids a break that are going out they and putting it on the line, regardless of their skill level. Lack of resources are typically at the heart of weak D1 programs. We all know of DII, DIII, NAIA and Juco programs that beat DI programs every year.
 

Dream_On

Rookie
You don't have to be nice about it. They are one of the worst D1 programs. Up there with MD-Eastern Shore and Oral Roberts(not as bad but should definitely be better considering their solid other sports programs).

Some schools just don't have the resources. Chicago State is pretty bad in all sports, it wasn't long ago that they went winless in basketball. Probably just a case of absolutely no resources.
UAPB is worse than all of those
 
Like I said I know Oral Roberts isn't head to head as bad as many but they are a very weak team and it's odd in comparison to their otherwise strong athletics program. Basketball makes the tournament often, baseball has made the super regionals, both soccer teams have been in the top 25. The other schools that are bad dont have good athletic programs to begin with. (I find it pretty hard to believe anyone is worse than MDES).
 

JLyon

Hall of Fame
Like I said I know Oral Roberts isn't head to head as bad as many but they are a very weak team and it's odd in comparison to their otherwise strong athletics program. Basketball makes the tournament often, baseball has made the super regionals, both soccer teams have been in the top 25. The other schools that are bad dont have good athletic programs to begin with. (I find it pretty hard to believe anyone is worse than MDES).
You have not seen MVSU then
 

Vicious Vik

Semi-Pro
I can think of a number of D1 programs much worse than the ones you mentioned. Naming them does not do anyone any good. Schools that have tennis programs are a good thing, they can't all be top 25. Give the kids a break that are going out they and putting it on the line, regardless of their skill level. Lack of resources are typically at the heart of weak D1 programs. We all know of DII, DIII, NAIA and Juco programs that beat DI programs every year.
nonsense, these guys are getting part of their school paid for for having a minimal skill at best. Getting beat 6-0 6-0 almost every match is really nothing close to "putting it on the line"
 

atatu

Legend
I was going to post something along the lines of they shouldn't be bringing in guys from overseas if they are losing every match 0 and 0, you can find American kids who want to play D1 tennis. However, I just looked at their results so far this year (mostly tournaments) and these guys are not that bad, so I don't know why everyone thinks they are so terrible.

Valparaiso, Ind.- Junior Luis Ulloa (Guayaquil, Ecuador) won two titles during day two of the Valparaiso Fall Invitational. He won his singles bracket consolation championship while also claiming a doubles consolation title with junior teammate Julian Chavez (Bogota, Colombia).

The Chicago State duo of Ulloa and Chavez defeated Tommy Vang and Donnersson Penna of Cardinal Stritch 8-5 to take home their doubles title.

After beating Joe Brenneman of Huntington 6-1, 6-3, Ulloa won his bracket consolation final by default over Goshen's Caleb Harnish.

Chavez won both of his singles matches, defeating Caio Barros of Olivet Nazarene 4-6, 6-4 (10-7) and winning by injury default over Valparaiso's Michael Baiocchi.

Juniors Mario Noboa (Santo Domingo de los Colorados, Ecuador) and Sergiu Muresan (Roman, Romania) lost their doubles bracket championship match to Valparaiso's Dave Bacalla and Charlie Emhardt 8-5. Despite the loss, Chicago State head tennis coach Jack Barton came away impressed.

"Mario and Sergiu played very well today," said Barton. "Valparaiso just came up with big shots at the right time. I believe we made them earn that victory."

In singles action, Oscar Manciheiras of Olivet Nazarene defeated Muresan 6-2, 6-4 and then beat Noboa 2-6, 6-2 (10-1).

The Cougars return to the court at the Ball State Fall Invitational (Oct. 4-6).
 

andfor

Legend
nonsense, these guys are getting part of their school paid for for having a minimal skill at best. Getting beat 6-0 6-0 almost every match is really nothing close to "putting it on the line"
Not all internationals are on athletic scholarship. Not all internationals playing college tennis are good. I would find it unlikely that an international player at the DI level losing 0-0 regularly is on athletic scholarship. Fact is there are many programs on all levels that would not field a full roster if not for internationals.
 

andfor

Legend
I'm not talking about nationalities of players.
You're right. For any player at the DI level losing 0-0 regularly, it's unlikely they are on athletic scholarship. Not all DI programs have 4.5 scholarships, some (even outside the Ivy League) have none at all.
 
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Boston College is one of those teams. I believe MVSU does actually give tennis scholarships though according to a website I saw. MD-ESH doesn't so I will ease on them a bit.
 

andfor

Legend
Boston College is one of those teams. I believe MVSU does actually give tennis scholarships though according to a website I saw. MD-ESH doesn't so I will ease on them a bit.
Sadly not all DI teams are good. There's actually more roster spots then there are tennis players willing to play and fill them. Then there is competition from NAIA, DII and DIII. I've talked about this so much I'll spare everyone from saying more.

As far as I'm concerned, any college tennis program that remains and continues to compete at all levels is a good thing.
 

Bdarb

Hall of Fame
Sadly not all DI teams are good. There's actually more roster spots then there are tennis players willing to play and fill them. Then there is competition from NAIA, DII and DIII. I've talked about this so much I'll spare everyone from saying more.

As far as I'm concerned, any college tennis program that remains and continues to compete at all levels is a good thing.
BC has no mens scholarships offered. The girls program is something like half scholarships. This was the state as of last season anyway.
 

Bdarb

Hall of Fame
nonsense, these guys are getting part of their school paid for for having a minimal skill at best. Getting beat 6-0 6-0 almost every match is really nothing close to "putting it on the line"
That especially is putting it on the line. Think they want to go out and have their *** handed to them? Plenty of schools out there in the D1 aren't offering scholarships, especially these days with the economy the way it is.
 

tayerm

New User
Regardless of how you view the lower level D1 teams, they are still highly competitive. Obviously they come no where near the same level as top D1 programs. Nonetheless the students are still putting themselves out there, competing, doing something positive, and playing the game they love. I think that most of the players in these forums, including myself, would not stand a chance against D1 players regardless of which school unless the person played D1 or highly competitive tennis themselves. Give these guys a break and some credit!
 
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