does chip and charge in doubles work well or its a bad idea to do?
I chip and charge most of my returns on second serves. I get inside the service line (I'm 60) from the baseline, hit with lots of underspin with some sidespin component, and can first volley from there about one full level higher than my playing level.
Problem is, most good players topspin lob over my weak and slow moving partners, forcing me to cover them as well as my own long CC court.
Or they just go DTL at my partner, mostly avoiding hitting to me.
If you want to win, hit to the weaker link, as always.
Big problem is my netman is the weakest of the foursome, so he's usually bellybuttoned to the netcord, to avoid weak shots. Of course, he's got the slowest reactions, and can't cover his own overheads.....
But when I stay back, I'm basically playing singles fetch with my netman glued in position, so I hate to trade groundies when it's a level and a half below my volleys.
time for new partner? or teach him to volley?
NEVER ever said I was 7.0, 6.0, or even California top 15 A player. I said I went to semis in Q's for one pro tournament, and finals in Q's for another...which would make me WHATEVER. Out of over 6 A tournaments played, went at least 3 rounds in 4 of them.
..and that's exactly why YOU play at your 3.5 -4.0 level, and will never get better..
Sure, I play right there nowadaze, but I'm 60 years old. 30 odd years ago, I played right there at 6.0 levels, going multiple rounds in pro Q's and beating most Div1 top singles players.
Actually a chip and charge in doubles is a much more risky tactic than in singles. In singles, your opponent has to actually get to your chip first to attempt a passing shot. But in doubles, you may well be chipping into the hitting zone of the opposing partner.
In my experience chip and charge works better off of the first serve than the second. I will commonly hit out on the second serve and charge. The one exception are the scary spinny kickers that 4.5 and 5.0 guys will use as their second serves.
Barring those type of serves, a first serve C&C will usually catch the S&V server at his shoetops (since he is charging the net) a hard hit return will be a routine volley for him.
Lucky makes some great points. I've seen/used a lot of chip and charge at high levels of tennis because with the kinds of serves you see in college or in 4.5 and up leagues, you don't get many opportunities to tee off on a return. So a chip return can be more effective because it can somewhat neutralize the effect of a bigger serve (or use its pace to your advantage) and then give the incoming server a more difficult ball to volley.
Lucky makes some great points. I've seen/used a lot of chip and charge at high levels of tennis because with the kinds of serves you see in college or in 4.5 and up leagues, you don't get many opportunities to tee off on a return. So a chip return can be more effective because it can somewhat neutralize the effect of a bigger serve (or use its pace to your advantage) and then give the incoming server a more difficult ball to volley.
I can see that chipping the return on a good first serve by someone playing S&V doubles makes sense - you're simply blocking it (no time for big carve) to the most difficult placement for the incoming volleyer.
What I'm not so sure about is whether you should automatically follow that return with a "charge" forward. In singles it does make sense, as it increases your court coverage, but in singles you have to cover the whole court alone. But it's not quite the same in doubles.
The way I see it, the incoming server has some difficult options to play, with the ball at his shoelaces. If he simply pops it up towards the middle of the court, then it should be an easy putaway for your partner at the net. So, his only effective options are:-
1. low volley / half volley deep back to the returner - and if he does that (because he's a good volleyer), and if by then the returner is charging forward, then the returner has to check his forward move and play a lowish volley from behind the service line into an opposition by now camped at the net and covering well. Here, charging puts the pressure back on the returner, as he in turn is caught charging the net.
2. low volley / dink, short, across to the returner' side - here, the fact that the returner was charging forward is of help, as he's already on his way to the net.
3. low volley / half volley lob over and behind the net person - this is by far the toughest shot to play, yet it can be done if the returner's partner at the net commits himself too early for an interception and has already started to come across (if he's gone too far, it doesn't need to be a lob, either 1. or 2. above but played down the gap on his right will do the job, because his racket is now positioned to take a ball going to his left, so on the "wrong" side.
I'm not saying that charging is wrong. What I'm saying is that perhaps it shouldn't be the automatic move following a chipped return in doubles - first, wait and see what the incoming volleyer can (and does) do with a couple of chipped returns. If he's good at 1. (which means he's a good volleyer!) and can volley off his shoelaces accurately back to you on the baseline, then your better option is to wait on the baseline and then play a groundie. If so, you can also bet your bottom dollar that if your partner tries to be cute and comes across too early, the volleyer will simply redirect some past him by fractionally changing the racketface angle (and to stay in the point and save your partner you'll have to scramble to the other side of the baseline). And occasionally, the volleyer with throw a short dink - this time, to keep you honest. My take here is, if you're facing that level of volleyer then you have to be just as good as him - if not better - to want to charge the net after a chipped return which gets you in a volleying duel.
On the other hand, if under pressure the incoming server can only scramble short dinks off your chips, then by all means follow your chips in.
I don't disagree with your initial analysis. I agree with your 3 options. Myself, I do #2. However, a couple of things: if you are running into #1 a lot, then you are in for a long day, regardless. But even if you do, I have not necessarily had that bad of luck approaching. If you stay back you will be hitting a groundstroke which is good for you, but you be hitting it into a two up formation where both players are likely in second volley position (unlike your return), not that great from a one up one back position. Also, when you approach off of the C&C, you are expecting the return as it would be a tactical error to hit up the middle or to your netman (unless it is a great lob, #3). So it should be a routine volley and the closer to the net you get, the higher above the net the ball will likely be, relatively speaking.
The #2 is also common and if you approach quickly you can hit a low (but not shoetop) volley yourself, if you stay back and his shot is poor you can secondarily approach and tee off with a topspinny dipper, but more likely you will catch your groundstroke rather low and without a lot of pace.
I hardly ever see #3 as it is difficult to pull off and IMo the netman should be looking to back up in anticipation of the returner hitting a good shot off of the server's shot (which may end up in a defensive lob).
I can see that chipping the return on a good first serve by someone playing S&V doubles makes sense - you're simply blocking it (no time for big carve) to the most difficult placement for the incoming volleyer.
...The way I see it, the incoming server has some difficult options to play, with the ball at his shoelaces...
I can see that you've played some good doubles.
I agree with you, option 3. (going for the netman) is toughest for the incoming server, I only do it if I see the netman has sold himself by setting across for the intercept too early and if the return is a wide cross-court - basically, he's trying to close the door of my going back to the returner with an angled cross-court off my shoelaces, but in doing so he's opened a much bigger door. Now I only have to prod the volley straight in the gap (the position the netman has just left) to win the point, which is a much easier shot.
As for options 1. or 2., I play 1. if I can take it on the low volley and then move into second-volley position, and 2. if I have to play a half-volley (trying to roll my racket up and over the ball, like when you do mid-court warm-ups), so I put some overspin to clear the net but then it dips short and towards the tramlines - as you say, the idea is to force the returner (even if he's moving in after his chip) to have to play a ball which carries no pace and pick it low, so can't do a topspin shot and has to get his racket under and hit it up.