Discussion in 'Former Pro Player Talk' started by R-Fed, Dec 14, 2007.
This is unbelieveable.
That's what Chrissie does, loves em and leaves em. Connors, Gerulaitis, Lloyd, Burt Reynolds, Jack Ford; Andy Mill is just the latest. This shows that she's a normal person who falls in and out of love and unless we know the details, we won't know what exactly went wrong between her and Andy Mill.
Also, weren't Norman and Mill good friends before this happened?
A lot of mileage there.... :?
But no doubt history will repeat itself.
I hope he has a prenup...he will need it.
She had to pay $7 million to Mill after the divorce... pretty costly to run off with another guy.
Unless the new guy has 20 times that much... which he does!
Evert is a 50+ year old woman. Any person that age has dated/been in a relationship with more than a few in their lifetime. What's so unusual about her being just like everyone else? Also most men can't handle it when their wife makes/made more money than they ever did/do and also can't handle it when the wife is a lot more famous than the husband is. However, we don't know the exact details as to why Chris and Andy divorced and they have both made it clear that it is a private family matter and have refused to discuss it publicly.
Caption contest. Have at it, gang.
is that your skull or are you just happy to be alive?
Chris Evert and Greg Norman Engaged!
Good for them. I's no doubt because of Hewitt who caddied for Noman, and then Norman came to watch him play. And then Chrissie spied him when the camera panned into the audience...and that was it! Or somethg like that. Lleyton can be the ring bearer.
Their annual budget will be bigger than most cities.
I think Chrissie should forgo the wedding and just buy Greg Norman a house somewhere.
As wealthy as Evert is , Normans net worth I am sure dwarfs hers.
What do you think their combine net worth is? All the money in the world could not buy Norman what he truly coveted-THE MASTERS? He choked like a dog and never recovered but I am sure all his toys and mansions throughout the world help ease the pain!
Who cares about them when Vaidisova and Stepanek are getting married?
^^^Totally Agrees. I can't believe Vaidisova...she could've dated an actual good looking guy, lucky stepanek
makes me wonder....did he quit hingis or she quit him....he's actually dating a hotter woman than hingis, i'd never think that possible
Greg norman needs to wear the straw hat he golfs in AT ALL TIMES. He looks like a living zombie without it
see what i mean?
she left her husband (andy mill) for her husband's best friend (greg norman). to hell with both of them. hope andy mill scores a hot 25 year old after this.
that would be "to hell with both chrissie and greg norman". i don't care how infatuated you are, shouldn't your best friend's wife (or your husband's best friend) be off limits? whatever happened to self control?
Greg Norman's ex-wife lashes out against Chris Evert
Greg Norman's ex-wife lashes out against Chris Evert
Chris Evert returns Laura Norman's serve
Is this what happens when 50 becomes the new 30?
WIll Chrissie Evert become the new Liz Taylor?
Kidding, only half-kidding. Sad, unfortunate and selfish people.
I feel for their kids. What sort of an example are they setting for their kids?
In talking with friends in Florida, Norman must enjoy Everts experience in the bedroom due to her active days while on the tour!
Chris Evert Lloyd Mills, a home wrecker? :shock:
Checkmate, pass Greg Norman's ex-wife the knife.
There is nothing more sad than a woman whose man left her for someone else saying that she's found love ... with a dog. That's like saying, "I'm OK," and then bursting into tears.
$100 Million + to leave your devoted wife for freakin' 50 + Chris Evert? Hello? Not a good decision.
At least when Greg and Chris get divorced, Norman won't have to write a
big check. Also kind of a lousy thing to do a casual friend let alone your best friend. I had a casual friend's wife (much much hotter than Chris) come on to me and I just never went back to their house again. I felt uncomfortable. I can't imagine getting involved with a friend's wife. It's sick. I knew another guy whose best friend ran off with his wife; it really messed him up for years.
What goes around comes around. They deserve each other and I'm sure in no time they will be miserable together. If they are still together in two years, I'll be surprised.
Slice bh compliment. I also feel sorry for their kids. I feel sorry for Mr. Mill and Mrs. Norman (his original wife) and their kids.
But I must invite your kind attention to that Quranic verse for which I took lots of undue beating in the thread "Islam -- Is this Peaceful"?
First the famous Quranic verse:
"If you fear 'disobedience' on the part of your wife, (1) counsel her, admonish her; if this does not work, (2) do not share bed with her (sorry, no sex); if that does not work, (3) beat her lightly".
Obviously, Allah intends to proect the family fabric, and to protect others from any intentional or unintentional harm this 'disobedience' might cause.
Now, it is very clear that Andy Mill was friendly with Greg Norman, and Chris Evert was friendly with the original wife of Greg Norman. Andy Mill was ready to take a bullet for his friend, Greg. Unfortunately his own wife, Chris, and Greg pulled the trigger together! Whilst Chris was still married to Mill, through disguised "friendship" she abandoned her husband and kids, and ran away with Greg who also abandoned his wife of 25 years and kids.
Now here is food for thought: If Andy Mill had used the 3-step corrective mechanism that Islam has provided, don't you think both families would have been protected, and both Mrs. Norman, Andy Mill and their kids would have spared the pain they are undergoing now?
Be honest, I need your honest, frank opinion.
All this is only speculation because we'll never really know what exactly happened. Also, the former Mrs Norman wouldn't be the first bitter ex-wife who publicly lashed out at both her ex and her ex's new woman. Things like this are better left private and if there was any wrongdoing on anyone's part then they just have to live with it.
Honestly and frankly, I'm no authority on marriage. I would be curious to hear from someone qualified in the field. I feel this is largely cultural. Divorce rates are high here, so I'm not going to tell you we've got it perfect in the US. But we have wifebeaters here, too.
That 3 step plan might be wonderful for you. I'm sure your wife and daughter enjoy being managed in that way.
Me, I DO NOT FEAR DISOBEDIENCE ON THE PART OF MY WIFE. I think that is creepy, awful, lacking in love and humility (on the man's part), and just overall pretty weak (on the part of the man) and cowardly. You asked me to be honest.
My wife and I trust one another, have eachother's (and our family's) best interest in mind, and we let love rule our actions. Mutually, like a partnership, like a team, like two lovers united by God, together, we understand that our roles are different from eachother's, and we do our best, hand in hand, to live them well.
Naturally, we are human, and on a bad day, we might be disappointed with eachother, but disobediance and fear are really NEVER part of the equation. Love, communication, nurturing, compassion, humility, and sacrifice: yes. This is the example we strive to set for our child. Not fear of disobedience. Not anger. Not a pattern of one-way counseling. Not even a beating.
Where love is involved, people can live wonderfully and beautifully without need for violence, fear, intimidation and abuse.
As for the Quranic 3 stepper:
2) no thanks. We never let the sun go down on our anger. We go to bed satisfied and in love. And usually pretty tired.
3) Sorrymate. Not part of the vocabulary. Would not want it to be. But that is easy for me to say, since I really love and respect my wife. She's the coolest, why would I want to counsel her? Why would I want to NOT make love to her? Why would I want to beat her?
I just want to love her, spend time with her and, raise our family together in love, peace and obedience to God/Yahweh/Allah. If I had a daughter, I would not want beatings to be part of her relationship with her husband. I would not want my mother, my sister, a female neighbor or friend to be beaten either.
Back to Chrissy Evert for a moment, I think Jimmy knew what he was getting into back in 74 when they were engaged. He got out. He's got to be feeling pretty lucky at this point.
If Chrissy and Andy, Chrissy and John Lloyd...Chrissy and the Shark lack a loving relationship, I feel for them. Maybe they need to come to counseling in Karachi or Islamabad so Greg can learn the ways of the Glorious Quran and the family Khan.
Congratulations to you, with wonderful wife you are leading a happyful life. The 3-stepper is not for every one, and it is not for you. I never said it is for you or for me. When I had a conflict with my wife in Kuwait back in 1998 I was not even aware that such a verse existed in Qur'an. We just exchanged couple of soft pushes and the conflict was resolved.
Maybe one should ask ex-wife of Norman and ex-husband of Evert .. the victims .. about the 3-stepper. I am sure their response will be different from yours.
By the way, the arabic word used means 'disobedience' or 'disloyalty'. I mean if a married spouse is looking out of the window for some additional sex, it is dubbed disloyalty. Maybe 'disloyalty' is a better translation.
Asking Andy and the former Mrs. Shark about the three step plan.....
Or maybe, like me, they'd think steps one and two are condescending and lack humility, and that step three is barbaric and cowardly.
Or maybe they themselves would enjoy this conversation, go out for a coffee and strike up a relationship.
Did the soft pushes do the trick in resolving your conflict? Or was it love?
Good question. I think it was love for our daughter that made those soft pushes effective and corrective.
Mahboob Khan has been inducted into Hall of Fame!
As a result of our discussions, I have been inducted into Tennis Hall of Fame!
Mahboob, please can you clarify whether you would beat your wife, lightly or otherwise, if you fear disobedience. And please clarify "fear" - would this mean "suspect"?
There is no correct translation for Quranic Arabic. This is from someone who knows a bit of Arabic. I spent ten years in the Middle East. The Arabic words used could be translated, "if you suspect" "if you have reasons to suspect" "if you fear or have reasons to fear" that your wife may be disloyal (dating someone else) or simply disobedient (does not care when you have the urge for a sex). I think a plain trasnlation would be:
"If you have reasons to suspect that your wife is dating someone else (disloyal) and/or does not answer your call when you want to meet (disobedient), and/or simply does not obey you, then:
(1) have a counseling session with her which may include admonishing;
(2) refuse to share bed with her meaning no sex with her if (1) does not work;
(3) beat her lightly if 1 and 2 do not work."
No, I do not beat my wife and no one should. The above Quranic verse is just an advice available. It is not a commandment which is binding on all Muslims.
What I am saying, the 3-step correctional mechanism might have saved six parties:
1. Andy Mill
2. Andy Mill and Evert's children
3. Laura, ex-wife of Norman
4. Laura's children
5. Greg Norman himself.
For educated people steps 1-2 will do the trick. Yes, for uneducated people (look back some 1400 years ago), some tactful soft beating for some might have been necessary.
ok, I think I see the crux of the problems you've been having on this board recently. Misunderstanding. I am pleased that you said you didn't hit your wife and don't condone this behaviour. But your question to everyone was
"If Andy Mill had used the 3-step corrective mechanism that Islam has provided, don't you think both families would have been protected, and both Mrs. Norman, Andy Mill and their kids would have spared the pain they are undergoing now?"
I think people get mixed messages from your posts, you are quoting something from the Quran and then let it be known that you do not follow that particular practice.
Would you agree?
Well, healthy people do not go to Doctors!
If someone is having great time with his wife such as Slice BH Compliment, why invoke the 3-stepper?. And if someone could resolve their problems away from the 3-stepper there is no harm. I mean the 3-stepper is not a commandment, it is just a vehicle available for those who have the need to use it and for those who believe (Faith). I mean, if you have the Faith in Islam, then you will not question it, you will say, "I believe in this all as it is from Allah. I heard it and I obey it".
Since Islam is complete Way of Life, it has provided a complete solution. I do believe, if steps 1 and 2 are properly exhausted, there won't be any need for step 3 "soft beating". I think for tactful people even step 1 "advice/admonishment" is enough".
-- I mean you can sit together on a hot cup of coffee discussing good times you have together;
-- Politely touch base on the problem areas;
-- Listen to each other carefully because at times problem may hinge on a small "misunderstanding".
-- Take her out for a movie;
-- Take her out for a game of tennis/hitting session if she plays tennis, or any other game (bed game including, laughing).
-- Involve common friends and listen to their advice/solutions.
-- Buy her a gift; if you are rich buy her a car, diamond, etc.
-- If you are not rich, at least give her your love, if possible.
I do believe that for those with reasons even step 1 will be enough.
Again, the 3-stepper is NOT mandatory to follow. If someone can resolve their problems away from the 3-stepper that's fine. But how? One way or the other they will be bordering their solution with step 1 which Islam has provided.
I think if can open a "Spousal Correctional Center" somewhere in the U.S. it will run quite well for in every 12 seconds a husband in the U.S. either beats or kills his wife. Any party interested in joint venture? "Khan's Spousal Correctional Center"? Ha.
Tactful soft beating
I don't know if you're familiar with the word oxymoron, but you've just defined it in a new 3-word version.
I don't know that there is anything such as a tacful beating or a soft beating. Beating implies by definition that you a knocking the crap out of something and there is nothing tactful or soft about it.
Finally, I've been married 26 years. I would imagine that is due in no small part to:
1. I treat her as I would have her treat me
2. Knowing that she is at least my equal and my partner
3. Ignoring advice such as this
Physically abusing my wife, for any transgression, has never once crossed my mind. Only a coward would hit a woman my friend. And before you play it, that statement has nothing to do with religion.
Wow this thread seems to have gone way off topic.
For the record though I happen to agree with you, Rabbit.
You better read my post(s) again and you will understand the spirit of Quranic verse. Your mind is just stuck on point 3 (beating). Yea, that's right do not take my post out of context and avoid misleading others. Try to understand everybody does not live in Europe or America where everybody is educated!
I can read. I took nothing out of context. When all else fails, hit. I don't agree and never will. Again, only a coward hits a woman.
No one is asking you to beat your wife. But please consider, in every 12 seconds a woman is either beaten or killed by her husband in the United States; thus, the problem exists, not with you, but in your own country and there is wisdom in the Quranic verse. And if you have some time, please go back and read your own Bible OT (ej has provided verse numbers) in Islam -- Is it Peaceful? Word of God cannot be thrown out. Maybe you have done it, but we don't do that!
I am a New Testament kind of guy, Mahboob. There was this guy who came along....
I understand Rabbit that you follow New Testament, but please with honest mind try to appreciate this that we believe in all the previous Scriptures of God i.e. Torat (Old Testament) and Injeel (Bible New Testament). Yes, it is true that we do not believe in those changes that were brought in by Men. We believe in the Word of Allah, but we do not believe in the word of Man:
Chapter 3 Ale Imran (Family of Imran) verses 84-85:
Say, "We believe in Allah and what has been sent down to us and what was sent down to Ibrahim (Abraham), Ismail and Ishaq (Isaac) and Yaqub and the Tribes, and what Musa and Isa (Jesus) and all the Prophets were given by their Lord. We do not differentiate between any of them. We are Muslims submitted to Him. If anyone desires anything other than Islam as a religion, it will not be accepted from him, and in the Hereafter he will be among the losers."
All the previous Prophets including Jesus Christ preached just one religion .. Submission to God:
3:19: "The Religion with Allah is Islam. Those given the Book only differed after knowledge had come to them, envying one another. As for those who reject Allah's Signs, Allah is swift at reckoning."
If you are a believer in NT but reject OT, you will be going against the teachings of your own Lord, Jesus who said:
3:50: "I am confirming the Torah (Old Testament) I find already there, and to make lawful for you some of what was previously forbidden to you. I have brought you a sign from your Lord. So have fear of Allah and obey me".
Sadaqallah hul Azeem!
Translate that for us, will you?
you mean their kids from prev marriages, the ones that are already grown up and in their 30's?
yes, their children of any age.....and their grandchildren, too.
Met Chris at a Laver's Racquet Club wine and cheese party in 1985. Nice enough, but she and her sisters Clare and Jeane weren't cute enough to get invited to our after-hours pool parties. Neither were Hana Mandlikova and Betty Stove, who lived above my condo. Ian Laver ran the place, OMG what an extroverted Lauderdale party-animal, the opposite of his introverted cousin Rod. With 50 courts, and run by Aussies, it bankrupted several groups of International Investors!
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