Chung losing to Isner ???

jacob22

Professional
Isner can beat anybody, if he can break the opponent's serve at all. Why do you think he's plays so many tiebreakers?
 

BHServe

Semi-Pro
Unfathomable. 1 and 4 ? Did I miss Isner playing like 06 Fed??
Chung had no business returning Isner’s serve yesterday. He even struggled with the 2nd ones badly, huge kickers hit above head level barely got to mid-court to Isner. Chungs on serve was even more terrible than usual, and he was very very shaky even from the baseline which usually is his bread and butter.
 

kimguroo

Legend
Isner always hit huge serves. Isner has one of slowest movement on the tour so either he hit junk balls/blocking balls back to opponents or hit 50% chance aggressive shots for winner.
Many opponents who are successful to Isner, they have decent service games and hang tight then looking for isner’s mistakes.

When Chung plays Isner, he does not have same game strategy like other opponents beause he does not have good serves. It does not matter Chung can win 8 of 10 groundstroke points against Isner. Isner hold his service games but Chung could not have easy service games. Isner’s game plan can be more flexible than chung. Hit good serves and either hit junk balls/ blocking balls or Going for winner whether he misses it or not. If he misses those balls, it’s totally fine. Isner can just hold his service game.
Exactly it happened today. I don’t remember Isner had trouble in his service games. It was easy for him.
For chung, he was up 40-15 but still can’t close games. Early break will give him more pressure on his game. Missing many shots than usual from Isner’s blocking/junk balls.

Chung played 4 matches with Isner and won one match in this year. All 4 matches were exactly same.
When Chung won the match in this year, his service game was decent and it was very tight three set match. The match could go either way.

Chung can’t go deeper unless he improves his serve. His height is listed as 6’-2” but someone might claim he might be 6’-3” but usual serve speed of 115mph for the first serves are not enough.
Chung might be the slowest serve player ever among over 6’-1” players.
 

Checkmate

Hall of Fame
Isner always hit huge serves. Isner has one of slowest movement on the tour so either he hit junk balls/blocking balls back to opponents or hit 50% chance aggressive shots for winner.
Many opponents who are successful to Isner, they have decent service games and hang tight then looking for isner’s mistakes.

When Chung plays Isner, he does not have same game strategy like other opponents beause he does not have good serves. It does not matter Chung can win 8 of 10 groundstroke points against Isner. Isner hold his service games but Chung could not have easy service games. Isner’s game plan can be more flexible than chung. Hit good serves and either hit junk balls/ blocking balls or Going for winner whether he misses it or not. If he misses those balls, it’s totally fine. Isner can just hold his service game.
Exactly it happened today. I don’t remember Isner had trouble in his service games. It was easy for him.
For chung, he was up 40-15 but still can’t close games. Early break will give him more pressure on his game. Missing many shots than usual from Isner’s blocking/junk balls.

Chung played 4 matches with Isner and won one match in this year. All 4 matches were exactly same.
When Chung won the match in this year, his service game was decent and it was very tight three set match. The match could go either way.

Chung can’t go deeper unless he improves his serve. His height is listed as 6’-2” but someone might claim he might be 6’-3” but usual serve speed of 115mph for the first serves are not enough.
Chung might be the slowest serve player ever among over 6’-1” players.

Isn't Chung something like 5'10'' or 5'11'' ?

 

Max G.

Legend
Isner's still ranked higher than Chung, and more of a hardcourt specialist than Chung is, so it shouldn't be surprising that he could win. Isner is good!
 
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Unfathomable. 1 and 4 ? Did I miss Isner playing like 06 Fed??
Like 50,000 other people you overrate Chung. He is your average garden variety top 10-20 player (like Tipsarevic for example). I seem to remember I trolled you heavily in the past and you (incorrectly) asserted I was "crazy" and a "psycho". :D
 

Checkmate

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Like 50,000 other people you overrate Chung. He is your average garden variety top 10-20 player (like Tipsarevic for example). I seem to remember I trolled you heavily in the past and you (incorrectly) asserted I was "crazy" and a "psycho". :D
Nah, his movement is something special. Allow him to grow.
 
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Deleted member 307496

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Nah, his movement is something special. Allow him to grow.
Most top tier baseliners with a defensive game (Murray being your best modern example) were fully flourishing top 5-10 players by his age. He only has so much potential.

I expect a drop next year in the rankings and a later resurgence, but he will never be anything besides what I described in my honest opinion.
 

Checkmate

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Most top tier baseliners with a defensive game (Murray being your best modern example) were fully flourishing top 5-10 players by his age. He only has so much potential.

I expect a drop next year in the rankings and a later resurgence, but he will never be anything besides what I described in my honest opinion.
Yeah, his barely-there-bikini serve is doing a lot of injustice to his ground game.
 

George Turner

Hall of Fame
The result was no shock. Isner likes these conditions and has played surprisingly well this tournament. Chung didn't beat anybody worth mentioning before this round.

Chung has potential but his serve is limiting it. You can't be close to number one serving like that. It's a high tier WTA serve.

Agassi was able to develop his serve from being a liability to being average, so hopefully Chung can do something similar.
 
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Nashvegas

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That serve... looks like he’s trying to get the least out of it he possibly can.
 

WarrenMP

Professional
Chung will learn in the future how to handle a tall server. Isner amps up the level on serves with good placement and extreme pace. Chung has the speed to retrieve big serves. He just need a better read on it.
 
Murray plays great against big servers. That is why he won the Wimbledon in 2016 against Raonic.
Sure he does. That doesn't make the stat any less amazing. It would be ordinary if Murray simply almost never allowed Isner to get to BPs, but Isner has actually been good enough to force multiple BPs in every match they played, but Murray just kept raising his level every time to save 40 of them.
 

snvplayer

Hall of Fame
Well Isner is a good player who can beat anybody with that monster serve of his.

Federer hit wide serves in a row on the ad side in one game and Chung couldn't get any of them back, which made me think he's vulnerable to wide serves.
I didn't watch Chung vs Isner, but I wonder if Isner's ability to hit sharper angles on the serve affected the outcome..
 

mavsman149

Hall of Fame
Never surprised when Isner wins, if he serves well he can beat anybody....the issue here is that Chung got breadsticked by Isner, normally he only wins in tiebreaks or snags a lucky break.
 

victa

New User
He needs to fix that toss on the serve. Lower it. Actually more like Tiafoe. Their motions are similar but Francis has a lower toss and doesn't have to pause and wait for it to drop.
 

kimguroo

Legend
He needs to fix that toss on the serve. Lower it. Actually more like Tiafoe. Their motions are similar but Francis has a lower toss and doesn't have to pause and wait for it to drop.
That’s what I thought and watched his old video (around 15-17). Looks like his toss was lower than now and he tossed ball way more inside than now. Probably those did not work so Neville might be experimenting with higher toss and less into court??? But unfortunately seems like it’s not working. Probably he should take next step or dramatically change his serving motion. It might take time but it will reward him more for his future.
 
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