Cibulkova-Serena Should Not Be Seeded

[MatsPhilander]

It "would not be fair" for seven-time champion Serena Williams to be seeded for Wimbledon, says world number 32 Dominika Cibulkova. The 29-year-old will not be seeded if the ex-world number one - currently 183rd in the rankings - is seeded.

Williams, 36, has called for players returning from pregnancy to have protected seedings as well as protected rankings. But Slovakia's Cibulkova said: "I don't think it's the right thing to do." She added: "I think it's just not fair. I have tried and I should be seeded. If they put her in front of me then I will lose my spot that I am supposed to have. "I was a former number four, and it's also like why should I not be seeded if I have the right to be?"

The decision on seeding will be announced at 10:00 BST on Wednesday. Williams has played only three tournaments in the past 12 months, having given birth to a baby girl in September. The All England Club usually follows the WTA ranking list, but reserves the right to make a change if it "is necessary to produce a balanced draw". Cibulkova has twice reached the quarter-finals at Wimbledon.

 

[MichaelNadal]

If anyone has earned it. It's Serena. But im ok with her not being seeded too. I don't think it matters that much, she's going to do well or terribly regardless.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Well she’s the one it impacts most (besides Serena).

 

[Mainad]

Well she’s the one it impacts most (besides Serena).

Barbora Strycova has also come out against it. Says that as pregnancy is simply a lifestyle choice (as opposed to illness or injury) she doesn't see why that should merit a protected seeding. The views of the other women players on this subject are particularly interesting.

 

[Bukowski]

I think a protected ranking sortve thing is certainly deserved, but seeding is too much. Her form coming back from giving birth would completely understandably be lesser than when she left the tour.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Barbora Strycova has also come out against it. Says that as pregnancy is simply a lifestyle choice (as opposed to illness or injury) she doesn't see why that should merit a protected seeding. The views of the other women players on this subject are particularly interesting.

Heather Watson said the same which I thoroughly disagree with. Guarantee when Heather gets knocked up by bloody Lloyd Glasspool she’d love being able to use her protected ranking.

Anyway, a number of other women have come out to support it.

 

[Bukowski]

Barbora Strycova has also come out against it. Says that as pregnancy is simply a lifestyle choice (as opposed to illness or injury) she doesn't see why that should merit a protected seeding. The views of the other women players on this subject are particularly interesting.

What a bizarre statement. I wonder if this has something to do with Serena's terrible treatment of other players. I'd imagine its hard to get behind Serena acting self righteous. Probably would've helped if she or other high profile players were outspoken on the issue before.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

What a bizarre statement. I wonder if this has something to do with Serena's terrible treatment of other players. I'd imagine its hard to get behind Serena acting self righteous. Probably would've helped if she or other high profile players were outspoken on the issue before.

Ahh I think you’ve mixed Serena up with Sharapova. Maria is notoriously hated by the fellow WTA players. Just see what Mladenovic said about the whole locker room hating her.

Serena meanwhile regularly gets congratulations and praise from her fellow tennis players. Just cause three people think pregnancy shouldn’t get a PR doesn’t mean they dislike Serena...

 

[Bukowski]

Ahh I think you’ve mixed Serena up with Sharapova. Maria is notoriously hated by the fellow WTA players. Just see what Mladenovic said about the whole locker room hating her.

Serena meanwhile regularly gets congratulations and praise from her fellow tennis players. Just cause three people think pregnancy shouldn’t get a PR doesn’t mean they dislike Serena...

To the best of my understanding theyre both disliked fairly universally. Ive heard 1st hand stories of Serena in the locker room saying loudly and pointing in a 360 angle that, "all these players my b!tches."

 

[Aussie Darcy]

To the best of my understanding theyre both disliked fairly universally. Ive heard 1st hand stories of Serena in the locker room saying loudly and pointing in a 360 angle that, "all these players my b!tches."

HAHAHAHHA. Oh that gave me a laugh. Another case of the ‘ive heard a story from a friend of a friends sons uncle’.

Check out all the times Serena gets praised for winning a slam. Nothing for Sharapova. Serena is loved.

 

[Yoneyama]

Both sides have a point when you look at it from each perspective.

I think that women who chose to get pregnant should have protected entry to tournaments, but not protected seedings. If a player is or was of a high enough calibre to have been seeded prior to pregnancy, then they should be able to float in the draw and be able to challenge any opponent. This is of course assuming they don't enter a tournament a month after giving birth.

The other aspect of unfairness that protected seedings get is exactly what the other players are complaining about, it takes a seed spot away from someone who has worked hard to get it.

Serena of all people in the WTA does not need the seeded spot to succeed.

 

[Bukowski]

HAHAHAHHA. Oh that gave me a laugh. Another case of the ‘ive heard a story from a friend of a friends sons uncle’.

Check out all the times Serena gets praised for winning a slam. Nothing for Sharapova. Serena is loved.

Umm no ive played with multiple successful womens players. 2 of whom are still ranked in the top 50 on the WTA tour.. Thats why i said 1ST HAND

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Umm no ive played with multiple successful womens players. 2 of whom are still ranked in the top 50 on the WTA tour.. Thats why i said 1ST HAND

Sure buddy, I DEFINITELY believe you.

 

[Bukowski]

Sure buddy, I DEFINITELY believe you.

Lol ok, I guess you dont have to, surely you know best. I played Div 1 on a ranked team a few years ago and as a junior I hit with Mattek-Sands (before the Sands part) Jankovic, Giorgi, and Angela Haynes. And was at an academy co coached and owned by a former top 20 ATP player. Also I played with some of the up and coming American juniors that are discussed on these boards, Donaldson for example, and other lower ranked guys coming outve college. Im no godly tennis player but i do have some interesting tid bits of info and experiences that I like to share when it pertains. But yeah, much easier to believe Serena is a wonderful compassionate fellow pro

 

[MatsPhilander]

Heather Watson said the same which I thoroughly disagree with. Guarantee when Heather gets knocked up by bloody Lloyd Glasspool she’d love being able to use her protected ranking.

Anyway, a number of other women have come out to support it.

She has little to protect.

 

[MatsPhilander]

To the best of my understanding theyre both disliked fairly universally. Ive heard 1st hand stories of Serena in the locker room saying loudly and pointing in a 360 angle that, "all these players my b!tches."

The other players admiration for her is bizarre-Maria is aloof to the other women but doesn't go out of her way to be mean unless provoked by comments they make, her dignified silence when Bouchard was going off endlessly about her before & after their match was impressive, you could imagine Serena's response if Bouchard had said stuff like that about her. Serena's whole demeanour & behaviour to players, officials & the media is that of an entitled bully. She is right in that they are her bitches for the most part, they lack the mental strength to beat her at the business end of tournaments & many will never beat her simply because they are so mentally weak/intimidated by her that they have lost before they even walk out. You have to respect her record of winning, but not the way she does it or the way she behaves.

 

[Bukowski]

The other players admiration for her is bizarre-Maria is aloof to the other women but doesn't go out of her way to be mean unless provoked by comments they make, her dignified silence when Bouchard was going off endlessly about her before & after their match was impressive, you could imagine Serena's response if Bouchard had said stuff like that about her. Serena's whole demeanour & behaviour to players, officials & the media is that of an entitled bully. She is right in that they are her bitches for the most part, they lack the mental strength to beat her at the business end of tournaments & many will never beat her simply because they are so mentally weak/intimidated by her that they have lost before they even walk out. You have to respect her record of winning, but not the way she does it or the way she behaves.

Agreed on many parts. She is a champion and deserves certain respect in that regard. I think her spotlight and next level fame are what keep players from talking trash to the media about her and the tendency for the PC admiration you mention. Things like the HBO special and the like...

 

[MarcusInKensington]

Serena seeded 25th. And the point of that is??

 

[Sudacafan]

Cibulkova-Serena Should Not Be Seeded


Serena was seeded in 2017.

 

[Smurph]

it's a tough call whether Serena should be seeded. Who is more likely to win a grass match in 2018? I say Serena over Dominika.

I do think that Karma played a role in Cibulkova's not being seeded. She was very vocal in her opposition to Maria Sharapova getting a wildcard after her suspension. Perhaps she should just play and keep her petite mouth shut.

 

[tenisdecente]

it's a tough call whether Serena should be seeded. Who is more likely to win a grass match in 2018? I say Serena over Dominika.

Not sure what has this to do with the subject, since nobody is saying Cibulkova is better than Serena or the likeliness to win a match in grass. It is about fair treatment and respect what a player achieves by effort.

Cibulkova-Serena Should Not Be Seeded

Serena was seeded in 2017.

Serena did not play in 2017, or did she with a big belly? Not sure

 

[Bartelby]

Nadal - Roger Should not be No. 1 Seed.

 

[Bartelby]

It's just behind Sharapova. So that indicates about where her current ranking lies, or would lie, given also that she withdrew from the Sharapova match with injury.

Serena seeded 25th. And the point of that is??

 

[West Coast Ace]

What a bizarre statement.

Why is it bizarre? She and her boyfriend then husband made a CHOICE to perform an act that can lead to pregnancy. And it’s in the context of protected rankings that previously have only been used for injuries.

 

[West Coast Ace]

It's just behind Sharapova. So that indicates about where her current ranking lies, or would lie, given also that she withdrew from the Sharapova match with obesity.

Fixed for you. You’re welcome.

 

[tennisaddict]

If anyone has earned it. It's Serena. But im ok with her not being seeded too. I don't think it matters that much, she's going to do well or terribly regardless.

You ‘earn’ an entry to allow for pregnancy but to give this higher level if protection with a seeding doesn’t sound like a prudent decision.

 

[Bartelby]

So you are into fat-shaming as well? Such vice-signalling is very typical of you!

Fixed for you. You’re welcome.

 

[Musterrific]

Cibulcova is hot.

 

[Bartelby]

Her muscular thighs are twice the size of Serena's pregnant belly so hot and heavy might be apt.

Cibulcova is hot.

 

[West Coast Ace]

So you are into fat-shaming as well?

The truth. Your ultra-left team has called it ‘shaming’. Obesity (and smoking) are gargantuan drains on healthcare resources.

 

[Bartelby]

You have a failed society obviously.

The truth. Your ultra-left team has called it ‘shaming’. Obesity (and smoking) are gargantuan drains on healthcare resources.

 

[Service Ace]

The truth. Your ultra-left team has called it ‘shaming’. Obesity (and smoking) are gargantuan drains on healthcare resources.

Lol at calling a Russian "ultra left." You can really tell what a classy and smart and not the least bit brainwashed guy West Coast Ace is with comments like this and the one previous

 

[sureshs]

Cibulcova is hot.

I would not say that. She is short and stocky, and has elephantine legs.

 

[Service Ace]

I would not say that. She is short and stocky, and has elephantine legs.

For most of the mouth breathers on this forum, being blonde is all it takes to be considered "hot." They don't call it Low Standards Warehouse for nothing.

 

[Legend of Borg]

For most of the mouth breathers on this forum, being blonde is all it takes to be considered "hot." They don't call it Low Standards Warehouse for nothing.

ouch

you might catch some flak for that

true doe

 

[MichaelNadal]

I would not say that. She is short and stocky, and has elephantine legs.

White gives you free points from "go"

 

[West Coast Ace]

Lol at calling a Russian "ultra left." You can really tell what a classy and smart and not the least bit brainwashed guy West Coast Ace is with comments like this and the one previous

What are you babbling about?

So all Russians think alike? And you’re calling other people Brainwashed? Thanks for the laugh.

 

[West Coast Ace]

White gives you free points from "go"

Play that Card, kid! Play it until it falls apart....

Go watch some pro wrestling....

 

[MichaelNadal]

Play that Card, kid! Play it until it falls apart....

Go watch some pro wrestling....

It is what it is. Easy to call it a card when you get to live outside the deck. Minimize me however you need, wrestling has nothing to do with common sense. Play THAT card though

 

[VaporDude95]

Barbora Strycova has also come out against it. Says that as pregnancy is simply a lifestyle choice (as opposed to illness or injury) she doesn't see why that should merit a protected seeding. The views of the other women players on this subject are particularly interesting.

I would agree with Barbara here. I actually said exactly the same thing but I was labelled a “sexist” and a “misogynist” by a few on here ....(*cough* Bartelby and AussieDarcy *cough*)

 

[Service Ace]

What are you babbling about?

So all Russians think alike? And you’re calling other people Brainwashed? Thanks for the laugh.

Can't see the irony in calling a Russian "ultra left" then proceeds to put words in people's mouth because his own ignorant mind comprehend the stupidity of that statement. Then sinks even further into imbecility by making some illogical correlation between his already faulty inference and being brainwashed. Lol just stop posting before you burn off what few brain cells you have left.

 

[Mainad]

What a bizarre statement. I wonder if this has something to do with Serena's terrible treatment of other players. I'd imagine its hard to get behind Serena acting self righteous. Probably would've helped if she or other high profile players were outspoken on the issue before.

Why is it bizarre? Pregnancy IS a lifestyle choice, it's not an illness or injury.

 

[Tennisanity]

Too many rights for pregnancy. It's a choice.

 

[TMF]

Feel bad for Cibulkova. She works so hard for her ranking just to get rob at the biggest tennis tournament of the year.

 

[noobforehand20]

i want to see cibulkova in a thight dress, give her the seed!!

 

[Gemini]

Found this on the WTA site.

"A player can use their WTA Special Ranking to gain entry (not for seeding) into eight tournaments within one year of their return date. The Special Ranking can be used at a maximum of two Premier Mandatory Tournaments (Indian Wells, Miami, Madrid, Beijing) and two Grand Slams, a new rule implemented for 2015 (previously could only use Special Ranking to enter one Grand Slam)."

Based on this, Serena's just abiding by the rules. She has the right to ask for a seeding but the AELTC doesn't have to give it to her. If people are going to be angry, they should be angry with the AELTC. Also, the AELTC reserves the right to seed players as they see fit. It's pretty much been their prerogative from the beginning.

 

[Chadillac]

Wimbledon uses a 2yr seed system, she won in 2016 so its fair.

What the us open is trying isnt.

Plus, her fans would of protested, looted and rioted if she wasnt.

 

[bigserving]

Tennis is a business. No matter what form her game is in, Serena will sell waaaaay more tickets and draw more interest than Cibulkova, or most of the other players. I understand why the tournament would want to seed Serena to theoretically give her a better opportunity to go deeper in the draw.

If a player wishes to be seeded, they can go out and win the event a few times and they will have a better chance to get a seeding.

Wimbledon, giving the people what they want.

 

[mellowyellow]

Wimbledon uses a 2yr seed system, she won in 2016 so its fair.

What the us open is trying isnt.

Plus, her fans would of protested, looted and rioted if she wasnt.

Wimbledon draw rigging like Isner Mahut 2, historically Wimbledon doesn't usually use the formula for the women's draw... And I was under the impression if it's used it's used for everyone, and if not a seed already it can't make you one. FFS when does the partiality end? Has benefited her entire career from an elitist system that everyone agrees has no place in determining the best players. Get this antiquated bs draw system out. Make your rules before their is an issue, not during an issue...

 

[Deleted member 688153]

Lol ok, I guess you dont have to, surely you know best. I played Div 1 on a ranked team a few years ago and as a junior I hit with Mattek-Sands (before the Sands part) Jankovic, Giorgi, and Angela Haynes. And was at an academy co coached and owned by a former top 20 ATP player. Also I played with some of the up and coming American juniors that are discussed on these boards, Donaldson for example, and other lower ranked guys coming outve college. Im no godly tennis player but i do have some interesting tid bits of info and experiences that I like to share when it pertains. But yeah, much easier to believe Serena is a wonderful compassionate fellow pro

Oh yeah? I'm best friends with Federer and Nadal and they say Serena is a great person.