Cilic is overrated!!!!

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im new to this forum,but i've been seeing lots of buzz and talk about him being a future top 5 player or possibly a future world no.1......eh but so far he has only reached the quarterfinal at the US Open and then suddenly he's a threat to everyone...

weird how soderling had to reach the final of the french,roddick to reach the final of wimby and del potro to win the us open YET people are writing these three off as the ones to slip down the rankings in 2010,and some even say cilic is a better player than del potro?! Yes maybe in the future,but at least Delpo has a slam already and has achieved much more than cilic has done so far..he's just a little overrated at the moment blah
 
Pentagonal said:
im new to this forum,but i've been seeing lots of buzz and talk about him being a future top 5 player or possibly a future world no.1......eh but so far he has only reached the quarterfinal at the US Open and then suddenly he's a threat to everyone...

weird how soderling had to reach the final of the french,roddick to reach the final of wimby and del potro to win the us open YET people are writing these three off as the ones to slip down the rankings in 2010,and some even say cilic is a better player than del potro?! Yes maybe in the future,but at least Delpo has a slam already and has achieved much more than cilic has done so far..he's just a little overrated at the moment blah
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Okay first of all lets do some research here.

Cilic is 21..a junior grand slam champion of prior.
Cilic showed remarkable improvement this year making 4 ATP finals winning 2 titles and improving his ranking.
Cilic is far younger than Roddick and Soderling.
Del Po is in the top 5 and most are only saying he will slip as they not sure if he is going to be consistent week in and out and nobody is saying he will slip far but maybe a spot or two since he is now in the limelight and has tons of poitns to defend.
Cilic has relitively no points to defend and showed he can get top 10 players with his dominating performance over Murray.
Roddick's ranking is soley high due to big runs in slams, he is older now a bad run in the AO and he can be on the border again.
Cilic has few points to defend in most of the big events and most can see him with a higher ranking getting easier draws and improving.
Soderling is MOST LIKELY not going to defend his French Open run and this can see him right out the top 10.
Cilic can easily defend all his slam runs if not improve on them.


I don't see the big deal about saying Cilic is future top 5. Future number 1 is a stretch but he has the talent, watch him playing Andy Murray in the 4R of the US Open and come back and look at what you said. He is 21 and 14 in the world right now. He stands one hell of a chance at making it into the top 5 next year.
 
IMO, not overrated. I have made this point a lot on TW, and I'll do it again.

So many people throw around "overrated" and "underrated" without any thought. In the end, the terms often just mean that other people do not share the same opinion of a specific player as the person posting does.

You say Cilic is overrated. So, you need to answer (1) what is his "rating", and (2) how is his rating more than it should be.

In the past year Cilic has made some progress, but he is still a work in progress. Almost every tennis commentator I've listened to has said as much. Yes, Cilic has been identified as a possible future star, and potential future Slam champ. But, he is hardly ever talked about as some sort of sure thing, a definite "next great champion." He's basically a "talented up and comer" who has a "bright future", which is a description attached to 3-6 guys every year.

Maybe you come across some TW posters who enthusiastically promote Cilic as on the verge of being an all-time great. But, from what I've read, I don't think that is by any means the majority opinion.

So, IMO, he's not overrated. Only if you think he has absolutely no potential and is not a talented up-and-comer, is he overrated.
 
i don´t think cilic is overrated he has the talent to be a top player if he can improve his mental strenght that was a big reason why he lost the quarterfinal at the USO to del potro.
 
Celic has the tools to be top 10. Only time will tell. I felt the same way about Gulbis, but he has been slumping as of late.
 
By and large I agree w/ what others haves said, he isn't overrated on here. I haven't seen that many say he's a future #1, just that he's a guy who's on the rise and could be a potential factor to make a deep run in slams this year. From that standpoint he is not overrated.
 
I think he is probably the hardest hitter in mens tennis today. There isnt any guy I can imagine overpowering him. Be that Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Blake, Safin (well if he wasnt just retired), Gulbis, Gonzalez, Soderling, Verdasco, Davydenko, Roddick, even Del Potro. He was overpowering Del Potro in their matches this year, and Del Potro is the guy I would have considered probably the hardest hitter today if it werent for his matches with Cilic. He lost his matches to Del Potro since he made way too many errors, has no variety, no tactics, and loses it mentally.

Agaisnt Haas at Wimbledon this year he hit over 100 winners and Haas had 30-something and Cilic still lost the match.
 
anointedone said:
I think he is probably the hardest hitter in mens tennis today. There isnt any guy I can imagine overpowering him. Be that Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Blake, Safin (well if he wasnt just retired), Gulbis, Gonzalez, Soderling, Verdasco, Davydenko, Roddick, even Del Potro. He was overpowering Del Potro in their matches this year, and Del Potro is the guy I would have considered probably the hardest hitter today if it werent for his matches with Cilic. He lost his matches to Del Potro since he made way too many errors, has no variety, no tactics, and loses it mentally.

Agaisnt Haas at Wimbledon this year he hit over 100 winners and Haas had 30-something and Cilic still lost the match.
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I don't know: I like Cilic. He showed some real shotmaking at the USO against Murray (who is very difficult to out think) and he overpowered Murray, a tactician. I've also seen him win some other very clutch matches recently over heavy hitters like the Davis cup rubber over Blake this year. He's showing alot of mental and physical gains and has the potential (like other players mentioned here) to have some great results this year.
 
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Geez... I was at the US Open this past summer and saw most of the top mens practice. I saw Blake, Murray, Simon, DelPo, Djok, Haas, roddick, Robredo, etc... All played sets amongst each other...

Until you see these players play in person, up close you have no idea how much more respect you need to give them. The pace, control, spin and angles are just amazing to watch. I was in the first row in qualies week where all the pros practice playing sets with each other and the most impressive players who had sound strokes, power and were just amazing to watch were actually Soderling and Cilic. I actually picked Cilic to win it all, that's how impressive he was. His serve was just enormous. He hit a kick serve that that Giles Simon couldn't even put a racquet on, not because of the angle but because it kicked up too high! And he did it so casually. After that serve Giles actually gave him a look and smirk, then walked to the deuce court to try to return another one of his serves. He has incredibly soft hands and a nice touch. He has amazing speed for his size and he's just really fun to watch. He is a big guy and he serves like Ivo, but with better groundies and overall game. The power that guy generated was scary, when he matched up against Murray, I secretly thought Murray had no chance. You really need to experience watching that guy play live to really understand how much talent he really has, he has so much power and control. His serve is also just so powerful. Honestly, I never really thought anything of him until I saw him in person. He is definitely one of the most talented younger players on tour.
 
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Cilic totally made my week, that day he beat Murray at the USO.

I honestly haven't seen him play enough to judge his game. But, I did watch him totally crumble mentally against Delpo at the USO, so he does need some work there. Still, I wouldn't put it past him to make top 10 this year.

. . . and I don't think he's overrated. There's plenty of others overrated on this board, and in the tennis world in general.

But time will tell!!! Maybe I will watch him play in Chennai tomorrow.
 
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Prefer Gulbis. Both are the same age and have 1 GS QF to date. Pretty sure Gulbis would have achieved alot more, had he actually had a proper tennis up until this year.

Gulbis can probably hit as hard if not harder than Cillic along with having much better feel at the net.

Cillic is one of the most 1-dimensional baseliner bashers in the top 20. Haas took him out at Wimbledon playing serve and volley. Once you take away his baseline rhythm he is toast.
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What point are you trying to make here? If it's that Gulbis to this point is a better player than Cilic, you're fighting a losing battle.

Cilic is much more consistent. He made the 4th round of 3 of the 4 slams last year. Has made the 4th round of all 4 slams in his career. 3 singles titles. Beaten the likes of Nadal, Roddick, Murray in big events. Right now Gulbis isn't in the discussion when seriously talking about next great wave of players in tennis.

If anyone's overrated it's Gulbis, not Cilic.
 
Gugafan said:
Prefer Gulbis. Both are the same age and have 1 GS QF to date. Pretty sure Gulbis would have achieved alot more, had he actually had a proper tennis up until this year.

Gulbis can probably hit as hard if not harder than Cillic along with having much better feel at the net.

Cillic is one of the most 1-dimensional baseliner bashers in the top 20. Haas took him out at Wimbledon playing serve and volley. Once you take away his baseline rhythm he is toast.
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And Gulbis isn't lol? Look at the way Cilic smoked Murray at the US Open and he was outhitting and outplaying Del Potro for a set and a half. Gulbis can barely string 2 wins together and is heading for mediocre career, whilst Cilic is an almost cert to crack the top 10 this year. Many people are predicting Cilic might even win a slam 1 day, no chance of Gulbis every winning a slam.

Gulbis is one of the most overrated players on here.
 
Cilic better be good, I need a replacement for Goran. But I need him to work on his mental side. Way to composed for my liking - he needs to show his frustration, work on his racquet smashing, develop a self-destruct button. Either that, or suffer the fate of Ancic.
 
Gugafan said:
I'm not doubting Cillic is the more consistent player, but I believe Gulbis has the talent to be a better all round game. Whether he fulfills this potential, remains to be seen.
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Either way, I don't think Gulbis has what it takes mentally to surpass Cilic.

Unless he turns around the lack of desire, I don't ever see him being a major player.
 
Gugafan said:
That match your talking about ended up being a very one sided 4 setter to Del Potro.

Gulbis had a horrid 2009, based on lack of motivation, no coaching, and infact spent most of his time improving his physical fitness/strength...I have been watching him at Brisbane, and things look promising soo far. He just needs to start improving his consistency. He has all the weapons needed to be a great player. Mentally, not sure yet?.

Players are judged by slam performances, and up until now neither Gulbis or Cillic have rocked the tennis world. Gulbis maybe ranked considerably lower, but all it takes is one breakthrough tournament ala Aussie Open Baghdatis/Verdasco, for a player to start mixing it with the top guys.
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Cilic beat the #2 player in the world at the time, and defending finalist at a slam. He also has wins over #2 Nadal, #6 Roddick, and #7 Gonzalez when he was defending AO finalist in 2008.

Cilic has had bigger wins in the slams, and as I mentioned, more solid performances at all 4 slams than Gulbis has. I'd say Cilic's win over Murray definitely rocked the tennis world, as well as his total beatdown of Nadal in China.
 
How is he overrated? Look at Nalby, who only plays good for one part of the year, Safin, and Gulbis, a guy who can't even win a first round match.
 
I don't want to draw this out too much, but you're comparing his loss to the guy who won the freakin tournament, the guy who beat Nadal and Federer in the same tournament back to back. I wouldn't feel so bad if I lost to that guy. So it's not like comparing a lopsided loss to some unknown, delpo played very well this past USO. I'm sure if gulbis played it would have been a much more lopsided loss. Anyways, everyone is allowed to lose once in a while even if it is to a Tommy Haas. But I don't go back and make comparisons to when Djokovic lost to Haas at Halle or USO. Because it's just a loss, I like to look at the bigger picture and when you talk about a Gulbis and a Cilic, there is one that has much more talent and consistency and who actualizes results than theoretical potentials of when this guy is going to come out of his shell. You know who else has potential that everyone has been waiting on but we don't know if he's ever going to make anything of himself ahem... Donald Young.

Gugafan said:
That match your talking about ended up being a very one sided 4 setter to Del Potro.

Gulbis had a horrid 2009, based on lack of motivation, no coaching, and infact spent most of his time improving his physical fitness/strength...I have been watching him at Brisbane, and things look promising soo far. He just needs to start improving his consistency. He has all the weapons needed to be a great player. Mentally, not sure yet?.

Players are judged by slam performances, and up until now neither Gulbis or Cillic have rocked the tennis world. Gulbis maybe ranked considerably lower, but all it takes is one breakthrough tournament ala Aussie Open Baghdatis/Verdasco, for a player to start mixing it with the top guys.
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Pentagonal said:
im new to this forum,but i've been seeing lots of buzz and talk about him being a future top 5 player or possibly a future world no.1......eh but so far he has only reached the quarterfinal at the US Open and then suddenly he's a threat to everyone...

weird how soderling had to reach the final of the french,roddick to reach the final of wimby and del potro to win the us open YET people are writing these three off as the ones to slip down the rankings in 2010,and some even say cilic is a better player than del potro?! Yes maybe in the future,but at least Delpo has a slam already and has achieved much more than cilic has done so far..he's just a little overrated at the moment blah
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he's 21 and he's top ten and over rated? :shock:
 
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