Cillic losing to Isner ???

I mean how?? Cilic is better in FH, BH, Movement and behind only in service against Isner. How does he lost to him? Same case at the last year rome
 

mightyrick

Legend
I watched the match and Isner actually played well. He returned well and his backhand was actually holding up for his standards. And when when that happens... it is going to be a tough day at the office for his opponent.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Also, why are you so surprised, @HetTheGreaterer? This is Cilic for you. He will always remain the inconsistent giraffe he is always known to be. Sure, he can win a slam and reach 2 other slam finals, pushing Fed to 5 sets in one of them, but he will never be known for his consistency.

He is unpredictable, kinda like Verdasco.
 

tacou

G.O.A.T.
Because John is a good tennis player and Cilic is pretty inconsistent, even during one of the better stretches of his career.
 

papertank

Hall of Fame
Isner is quite a beast at M1000 hard court tournaments, especially in America. If his serve is on, good luck. Having no pressure on his own serve allows him to swing away at the opponent's serve without hesitation. All he needs is one break (or even just a mini break in a tiebreaker) and the set is likely his.
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
Or beat Federer in best of five, indoors, on clay at Davis Cup.
And also beat Federer indoors at the Paris Masters in 2015. Isn't it funny that Isner has never beaten Rafa and is 0:7 against him and he is 2:5 against Federer having beaten Fed twice, indoors, but it's Isner taking Rafa to 5 sets in a match that Isner lost that sticks in people's mind.
 
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Mainad

Bionic Poster
I mean how?? Cilic is better in FH, BH, Movement and behind only in service against Isner. How does he lost to him? Same case at the last year rome
The H2H is 7-3 in Cilic's favour but Isner's 3 wins have come in their last 4 meetings so he seems to have started to come good against Marin lately for some reason.
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
Isner is quite a beast at M1000 hard court tournaments, especially in America. If his serve is on, good luck. Having no pressure on his own serve allows him to swing away at the opponent's serve without hesitation. All he needs is one break (or even just a mini break in a tiebreaker) and the set is likely his.
You're are absolutely right so why is it that these Giants never make it to the top of the rankings or win loads of titles? I find they are more vulnerable in TBs because they can't erase losing a point with their serve; all their errors count so if they serve a couple of DFs, for example, and their opponent manages to avoid errors the Giants can easily lose a TB.
 

WarrenMP

Professional
Not surprised at all. I like Isner and his game. He built his game on his serve, and huge forehand. His serve is consistent and he mixes it up pretty well. It's a no brainer that he will hold. All he need to do is break once.
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
That match at RG when he took Rafa to 5 sets was in the 1st round! The defending champion, playing Isner in the 1st round! That was a rough draw.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
And also beat Federer indoors at the Paris Masters in 2015. Isn't it funny that Isner has never beaten Rafa and is 0:7 against him and he is 2:5 against Federer having beaten Fed twice, indoors, but it's Isner taking Rafa to 5 sets in a match that Isner lost that sticks in people's mind.
The answer is simple. Because GS matches are usually remembered more.

Take Tipsarevic for example. He has never beaten Fed, but their AO 2008 match will always be remembered.
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
That match at RG when he took Rafa to 5 sets was in the 1st round! The defending champion, playing Isner in the 1st round! That was a rough draw.
Saw an interview w Isner. Isner loves RG. Said its one of his fav tournaments. He loves Paris.
A servebot that loves clay?
Got to like Isner ;)
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Saw an interview w Isner. Isner loves RG. Said its one of his fav tournaments. He loves Paris.
A servebot that loves clay?
Got to like Isner ;)
Not so surprising. Isner tends to do well in Paris, often at both RG (gave Nadal an almighty scare in 2011 R1) and especially Bercy (finalist in 2016, semi-finalist last year). He's not just the home-loving American guy many people suppose him to be.
 
And also beat Federer indoors at the Paris Masters in 2015. Isn't it funny that Isner has never beaten Rafa and is 0:7 against him and he is 2:5 against Federer having beaten Fed twice, indoors, but it's Isner taking Rafa to 5 sets in a match that Isner lost that sticks in people's mind.
RAFA lost to Isner in Laver Cup...RAFA took Laver Cup very seriously...
 

FiReFTW

Legend
You think humans are robots? So even if 1 is slightly better he always plays his 100% and every point 100%?
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
Also pushed Nadal to 3 sets 2015 MC. Lost a tight breaker 8-6 1st set. Don't think anyone likes to see him in their draw.
Rafa beating anyone, especially Isner, in 2015 was a triumph. Rafa couldn't buy a win then. His form was way off and he had no confidence in his game.
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
RAFA lost to Isner in Laver Cup...RAFA took Laver Cup very seriously...
Yes, Rafa didn't treat The Laver Cup as an exho but Isner said he played like he had nothing to lose. Would Isner play with such freedom in a tour event?

Isner said the victory was among his best ever, certainly rivalling his four-sets win over Roger Federer on Swiss clay in the Davis Cup five years ago. “I went onto court feeling pretty good, and my arm was feeling loose, so I just went out there and swung away. But that’s what you have to do against a guy like him. It makes the game plan pretty easy.”

https://lavercup.com/news/2017/09/24/inspired-isner-takes-nadal

“I walked to the court like I had absolutely nothing to lose and I just went for it,” Isner said.
 
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And also beat Federer indoors at the Paris Masters in 2015. Isn't it funny that Isner has never beaten Rafa and is 0:7 against him and he is 2:5 against Federer having beaten Fed twice, indoors, but it's Isner taking Rafa to 5 sets in a match that Isner lost that sticks in people's mind.
They remember the 5 setter because the match was far bigger and would have been 100x the upset that the two wins over Federer were.
 

Bukmeikara

Legend
Isner is one of the few players that can turn tennis into an annoying experience.
Players like Isner help tennis in plenty of ways:

1. They improve serving as a stand alone weapon and other players likely look at them for some tips
2. By serving great they help to improve the return game on an overall level
3. They provide variety for the Tour
4. They provide a target for negative people
 
Yes, Rafa didn't treat The Laver Cup as an exho but Isner said he played like he had nothing to lose. Would Isner play with such freedom in a tour event?

Isner said the victory was among his best ever, certainly rivalling his four-sets win over Roger Federer on Swiss clay in the Davis Cup five years ago. “I went onto court feeling pretty good, and my arm was feeling loose, so I just went out there and swung away. But that’s what you have to do against a guy like him. It makes the game plan pretty easy.”

https://lavercup.com/news/2017/09/24/inspired-isner-takes-nadal

“I walked to the court like I had absolutely nothing to lose and I just went for it,” Isner said.
He took advice from his teammate Kyrgoat...smart...
 

The Green Mile

Bionic Poster
Oh come on, big John must be one of the leat surprising players to cause an upset on the tour. Rarely am I stunned when I hear he has defeated a top ten opponent. Big John's peak is scary. Miami against Nishi, Paris against Cilic for example....
 

Sudacafan

G.O.A.T.
Oh come on, big John must be one of the leat surprising players to cause an upset on the tour. Rarely am I stunned when I hear he has defeated a top ten opponent. Big John's peak is scary. Miami against Nishi, Paris against Cilic for example....
Indeed. He is mountain tall.
 

mightyrick

Legend
His kick serve jumps on clay. I've seen him play a couple of times on some gritty hard courts (IW, Davis Cup in Portland). His second serve was harder to return than his first serve.
Yep, pretty much any American player (past or present) with a great serve loves clay. It certainly exacerbates the effect of the serve. I think it is an unspoken rule that two defining qualities of good American players have always been nasty kick serves (American twist variety) and great forehands.
 

Rafa's OCD

Semi-Pro
didn't see the match but on paper he looks to have blitzed Chung today. what the hell happened? based on what all the pundits say, Djokovic Mk. II should have had a field day with him.
 

Thomas195

Semi-Pro
Yep, pretty much any American player (past or present) with a great serve loves clay. It certainly exacerbates the effect of the serve. I think it is an unspoken rule that two defining qualities of good American players have always been nasty kick serves (American twist variety) and great forehands.
The same can be said for Sampras and Roddick :)))))
 

tacou

G.O.A.T.
didn't see the match but on paper he looks to have blitzed Chung today. what the hell happened? based on what all the pundits say, Djokovic Mk. II should have had a field day with him.
Read the above posts haha. He broke early and had no issue whatsoever holding. Swung away, played confident. Chung was subpar
 

Thomas195

Semi-Pro
And Blake... and Courier... and Agassi (his twist serve was very underrated)... and Querrey... and the list goes on and on...
What did Blake and Querrey achieve on clay?

The only good Murican claycourters were Chang, Courier and Agassi, whose serves could never be "great". Sampras would have laughed out if these serves are called great.
 
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