HetTheGreaterer
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I mean how?? Cilic is better in FH, BH, Movement and behind only in service against Isner. How does he lost to him? Same case at the last year rome
Cillic losing to Isner ???
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mightyrick
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I watched the match and Isner actually played well. He returned well and his backhand was actually holding up for his standards. And when when that happens... it is going to be a tough day at the office for his opponent.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
The Isner serve is so good that he can beat anyone on a given day. It's not that surprising really. He once took Nadal to five sets at 2011 FO.
mightyrick
Legend
Or beat Federer in best of five, indoors, on clay at Davis Cup.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
And in 4 sets too. No shame in losing to Isner.
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
Me happy.
Bukmeikara
Legend
There is a reason why Isner is top 20 since 2010 + at least one Master SF each year
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
If the better player always won we wouldn't need to watch sports.
airchallenge2
Hall of Fame
+1. Thanks for your post.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
And Federer again in Paris 2015.
And actually lived with Federer for a while at the 2015 USO.
Not to mention wins over Djokovic at 2012 IW and 2015 Cincy.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Isner can be a threat in BO3 off clay. It's mostly in BO5 where he gets exposed.
I remember his great run to the semis in Miami in 2015. I was actually impressed by that run. He defeated Dimitrov, Raonic and Nishikori, all in the same tournament. He single-handedly eviscerated the Lost Gen.
I remember his great run to the semis in Miami in 2015. I was actually impressed by that run. He defeated Dimitrov, Raonic and Nishikori, all in the same tournament. He single-handedly eviscerated the Lost Gen.
vive le beau jeu !
Talk Tennis Guru
because playing guys like isner and karlovic can often be a matter of...
that being said... 7-0 in the tie-break is impressive for isner
he's still good at playing the important points...
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Also, why are you so surprised, @HetTheGreaterer? This is Cilic for you. He will always remain the inconsistent giraffe he is always known to be. Sure, he can win a slam and reach 2 other slam finals, pushing Fed to 5 sets in one of them, but he will never be known for his consistency.
He is unpredictable, kinda like Verdasco.
He is unpredictable, kinda like Verdasco.
Isner is quite a beast at M1000 hard court tournaments, especially in America. If his serve is on, good luck. Having no pressure on his own serve allows him to swing away at the opponent's serve without hesitation. All he needs is one break (or even just a mini break in a tiebreaker) and the set is likely his.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
And also beat Federer indoors at the Paris Masters in 2015. Isn't it funny that Isner has never beaten Rafa and is 0:7 against him and he is 2:5 against Federer having beaten Fed twice, indoors, but it's Isner taking Rafa to 5 sets in a match that Isner lost that sticks in people's mind.
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Mainad
Bionic Poster
The H2H is 7-3 in Cilic's favour but Isner's 3 wins have come in their last 4 meetings so he seems to have started to come good against Marin lately for some reason.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
You're are absolutely right so why is it that these Giants never make it to the top of the rankings or win loads of titles? I find they are more vulnerable in TBs because they can't erase losing a point with their serve; all their errors count so if they serve a couple of DFs, for example, and their opponent manages to avoid errors the Giants can easily lose a TB.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
Also pushed Nadal to 3 sets 2015 MC. Lost a tight breaker 8-6 1st set. Don't think anyone likes to see him in their draw.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
Yes, but he is still 0:7 against Rafa and 2:5 against Fed but no one ever mentions his wins against Fed. Don't get me wrong, he's not someone anyone wants to play.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
I was proud to be an American that day
mike danny
Bionic Poster
The answer is simple. Because GS matches are usually remembered more.
Take Tipsarevic for example. He has never beaten Fed, but their AO 2008 match will always be remembered.
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
Saw an interview w Isner. Isner loves RG. Said its one of his fav tournaments. He loves Paris.
A servebot that loves clay?
Got to like Isner
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Saw an interview w Isner. Isner loves RG. Said its one of his fav tournaments. He loves Paris.
A servebot that loves clay?
Got to like Isner
Not so surprising. Isner tends to do well in Paris, often at both RG (gave Nadal an almighty scare in 2011 R1) and especially Bercy (finalist in 2016, semi-finalist last year). He's not just the home-loving American guy many people suppose him to be.
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
RAFA lost to Isner in Laver Cup...RAFA took Laver Cup very seriously...
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Isner also beat Del Potro last year in Paris Bercy. No one saw it coming.
Isner has those unpleasant things.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
He also had a surprising loss last year in Wimbledon.
Never bet on an Isner match!
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
Rafa beating anyone, especially Isner, in 2015 was a triumph. Rafa couldn't buy a win then. His form was way off and he had no confidence in his game.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
Yes, Rafa didn't treat The Laver Cup as an exho but Isner said he played like he had nothing to lose. Would Isner play with such freedom in a tour event?
Isner said the victory was among his best ever, certainly rivalling his four-sets win over Roger Federer on Swiss clay in the Davis Cup five years ago. “I went onto court feeling pretty good, and my arm was feeling loose, so I just went out there and swung away. But that’s what you have to do against a guy like him. It makes the game plan pretty easy.”
https://lavercup.com/news/2017/09/24/inspired-isner-takes-nadal
“I walked to the court like I had absolutely nothing to lose and I just went for it,” Isner said.
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Federer and Del Potro
Bionic Poster
They remember the 5 setter because the match was far bigger and would have been 100x the upset that the two wins over Federer were.
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Isner is one of the few players that can turn tennis into an annoying experience.Like his serve for instance?
Bukmeikara
Legend
Players like Isner help tennis in plenty of ways:
1. They improve serving as a stand alone weapon and other players likely look at them for some tips
2. By serving great they help to improve the return game on an overall level
3. They provide variety for the Tour
4. They provide a target for negative people
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
He took advice from his teammate Kyrgoat...smart...
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
Except that Isner didn't win that match.
The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
Oh come on, big John must be one of the leat surprising players to cause an upset on the tour. Rarely am I stunned when I hear he has defeated a top ten opponent. Big John's peak is scary. Miami against Nishi, Paris against Cilic for example....
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Indeed. He is mountain tall.
barnes1172
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His kick serve jumps on clay. I've seen him play a couple of times on some gritty hard courts (IW, Davis Cup in Portland). His second serve was harder to return than his first serve.Saw an interview w Isner. Isner loves RG. Said its one of his fav tournaments. He loves Paris.
A servebot that loves clay?
Got to like Isner
mightyrick
Legend
Yep, pretty much any American player (past or present) with a great serve loves clay. It certainly exacerbates the effect of the serve. I think it is an unspoken rule that two defining qualities of good American players have always been nasty kick serves (American twist variety) and great forehands.
Rafa's OCD
Semi-Pro
didn't see the match but on paper he looks to have blitzed Chung today. what the hell happened? based on what all the pundits say, Djokovic Mk. II should have had a field day with him.
True Fanerer
G.O.A.T.
The same can be said for Sampras and Roddick
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tacou
G.O.A.T.
Read the above posts haha. He broke early and had no issue whatsoever holding. Swung away, played confident. Chung was subpar
mightyrick
Legend
The same can be said for Sampras and Roddick
And Blake... and Courier... and Agassi (his twist serve was very underrated)... and Querrey... and the list goes on and on...
What did Blake and Querrey achieve on clay?
The only good Murican claycourters were Chang, Courier and Agassi, whose serves could never be "great". Sampras would have laughed out if these serves are called great.
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