Cincinnati Masters (2014) - Semifinal: R. Federer [2] vs. M. Raonic [5]
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This is the match you guys were screaming for during the Sharapova/Ivanovic match?
If anyone was screaming during the women's match it was the players.
Marius_Hancu
Talk Tennis Guru
Masterclass and matchup
I guess everyone on tour except the top 5 should retire then. We can watch tournaments with the same 5 player draw every week. Excellent idea.
Say Chi Sin Lo
G.O.A.T.
marc45
G.O.A.T.
yeah, that was kind of frightening comments from Ivan...way too smart to truly believe that
gogo
Legend
Thank you. That is what I was looking for. He definitely has some challenges. There aren't many young'uns that can put much pressure on the top three. Each of the up and comers has their weaknesses.
I am enjoying being a "new" student of the game, even though I am not young! Thank you very much jake for your insight. That is exactly what I was looking for.
marc45
G.O.A.T.
there was a tournament called the Pepsi Challenge in the 70's that was just the stars, maybe there should be more of these than just the WTF
Say Chi Sin Lo
G.O.A.T.
Well that's not far. Everyone got a bucket of ice, Brad Gilbert just got an entire tub of it!
every7
Hall of Fame
I agree that at this stage it is VERY hard to think of Milos as a number one BUT it is not fair to think of him only as a serve bot. His forehand is also very strong.
Against the top guys, though, he is not nearly versatile enough, and this result was very easy to pick.
Charlemagne
Hall of Fame
Dude.. It's enough. Stop flaming. Raonic is number 7 in the world. You don't become 7 in the world being a "horrible tennis player". Enough with the hyperbole.
West Coast Ace
G.O.A.T.
+1. I'm not a big fan of sports psychologists - but couldn't hurt.
Playing against a legend should be loose and easy - everyone thinks you're going to lose. Come out swinging. Not tight as a 14 yr old asking a girl to the dance...
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
Why is it that guys with Big serves, No groundies and No return game, Do Really BAD against Federer all the Time and become his Pigeon ?
The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
Because he is good at neutralizing the big first serve, and can beat them from the baseline. They usually all have bad movement which Fededer exposes.
West Coast Ace
G.O.A.T.
Sorry. Some of the people ripping him are trolls. But the Isner comparison is legit. And Isner is a serve and inside out FH - AND he's beaten Fed - on clay, in SUI in Davis Cup. Beaten Djokovic TWICE. Won sets off Nadal at RG. He doesn't freeze up against the top guys. Sorry if you're Canadian and you don't like hearing it. But it's the truth.
Feather
Legend
Just like how Rafa won all his clay titles, right?
Serious question, out of curiosity, do you post in this forum only to rile up other posters ?
counterloop
Professional
Not true....John Isner has beaten Federer once or twice if I'm not mistaken.
His forehand is strong, in that he can hit it fast, but his technique is a la WTA, so his ability to hit spin is limited. Thus, his margin for error is small. His forehand technique is a mismatch for his size and natural power. This will always hold him back in today's game. He's not consistent enough.
Guy's like Tsonga, Murray and Delpo can get away with hitting relatively flat on the forehand side, but that's because they are more talented ball strikers than Raonic.
gogo
Legend
FAir enough, but why isn't Isner still in the tourney and why isn't he ranked higher than Raonic if he is so much "better"? Just curious.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Ljubicic and everyone think Roanic plays the way Sampras did.
dunlop_fort_knox
Professional
isner at least makes the big boys work. you know you're in a match with big john. the big boys just cruise through matches with MILOS. breezy...
Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
This is obviously a matchup issue for Milos. Some people are way too hard on him. Good win for Federer.
Mayonnaise
Banned
Federer haters are upset Raonic didn't beat him. Simple.
every7
Hall of Fame
I'm not a big defender of Raonic's game. My post was really just to add that Raonic has a strong forehand and is not just a big serve. In regard to what has been mentioned about Isner, I agree, Isner has had some great results against the big guys, including wins over number 1's on their favourite surfaces.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Federer definitely brought it tonight. Made Raonic look like a hacker. :shock:
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
The difference is that Sampras had natural talent. :shock:
gogo
Legend
Who is a Fed hater? I think Fed is awesome! I'm really not sure what your point is.
West Coast Ace
G.O.A.T.
Now you sound like @90's Clay and the other trolls.... So one tournament and Raonic is better than Isner? I gave you a rundown of Isner's big wins against the best. What are Raonic's.
I'm not going to defend the trolls - but I can see where they're coming from. If the ATP becomes a game where very tall guys can serve their way into and take up spots in the top 10, the game isn't going to be very fun to watch going forward (after the Big 4 retire). I'm sure the ATP thinks about it; not sure what they can do.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Well, ONE player in particular.
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
How about impose a height limit? :shock:
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
The only shot Raonic knows how to hit is the inside-out forehand. Make him hit any other shot and he's lost.
FD3S
Hall of Fame
The thing with Isner is that he, for whatever reason, can be counted upon to rise to the occasion when he plays the top guys. Personally speaking I think Raonic does have more upside, but if I had to pick between the two in a hypothetical scenario against the best in the world, I'd go with Isner.
That said, day to day against the rest of the field Raonic has been outperforming Isner. Time will tell if that will change, but as of now I don't see Isner being able to overtake Raonic in the rankings any time soon.
radtennisfan
Rookie
Raonic will never be world #1, too limited a game.
But his limited skills have him firmly in the top 10 now so much respect to the guy.
But his limited skills have him firmly in the top 10 now so much respect to the guy.
Mayonnaise
Banned
It was brought on by 90's clay, and everybody started discussing it. Wasn't talking about you.
gogo
Legend
I'm pretty sure that's not what I said. I never referred to one specific tournament. We all know anything can happen in any one tourney. I was referring to the official ATP ranking. But who am I to criticise the ATP?? I am glad you are willing to take them on. I don't think this makes me a troll.
Why don't we just throw out the official rankings? Does that make sense to everyone here?
West Coast Ace
G.O.A.T.
You said "why isn't Isner still in the tournament?" - how else would you expect that to get interpreted?
And as far as rankings? It's dictated by points. Isner doesn't play as many tournaments as Raonic due to the health issue related to being so tall (the rest of his body didn't scale the same way - look at all the NBA centers who had to retire early due to foot, leg issues - they are outliers when it comes to growth).
PS - I actually think @TheLjubicic and Piatti have improved Raonic's return and BH (volleys.... maybe a tiny bit) - but the Canadians coming to these boards over-hyping the guy is getting old. Reminds me of when Murray first showed up. He'd win a few matches and the Brits had him winning majors - and we all know how long that took.
sportsfan1
Legend
Ranoic lost the match even before it started. He looked tight as a drum during the pre match interview, came out the same way in the first set and blew it away. In his mind it looked like he wasn't playing a 33 years old Fed, but rather Fed's aura. He recovered in the second set and actually played better than Fed for a while and put him under pressure, but Fed was able to close it out.
gogo
Legend
Totally agree. Good assessment.
tipsa...don'tlikehim!
Talk Tennis Guru
LazyNinja19
Banned
Couldn't watch the match, but this is seriously mug worthy from Raonic.
I guessed 6-3 6-4, but he even performed below that. :lol:
Lost 2 SF to a guy 10 yrs older than him, & missed chance on making a Slam final. Maybe he shouldn't spend 95% of the time practising only serve.
I guessed 6-3 6-4, but he even performed below that. :lol:
Lost 2 SF to a guy 10 yrs older than him, & missed chance on making a Slam final. Maybe he shouldn't spend 95% of the time practising only serve.
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Josh Lyman
Hall of Fame
Oh hey... :twisted:
smoledman
G.O.A.T.
Yeah I notice that Raonic has a lot of trouble with those short slice returns. Almost each one was an automatic point win for Federer.
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