Cincinnati Open ATP M1000 2024

Who wins?

  • Jannik Sinner

    Votes: 1 3.3%

  • Carlos Alcaraz

    Votes: 20 66.7%

  • Alexander Zverev

    Votes: 3 10.0%

  • Daniil Medvedev

    Votes: 3 10.0%

  • Andrey Rublev

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Casper Ruud

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Hubie Hurkacz

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Grigor Dimitrov

    Votes: 1 3.3%

  • Stefanos Tsitsipas

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other (Paul, Fritz, et al)

    Votes: 2 6.7%
  • Total voters
    30
  • Poll closed .
Baseline_Bungle said:
Can't believe a worthless l@rd@ss can single-handedly affect the ending of such an encounter between two world-class athletes.

And PS I was rooting for Draper, but this was just awful.

And by the way, yeah, Draper TOTALLY knew.
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To be fair, there's no way the umpire could have definitively seen that at real speed. The issue here is the lack of replay.
 
MisterP said:
Draper can’t make that call. It’s directly below him. There’s zero chance he could tell. It’s happening in a microsecond.
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Come on. Again, Draper isn't obligated to call it, but he could totally tell. He even gave a sheepish grin afterwards.
 
MisterP said:
Draper can’t make that call. It’s directly below him. There’s zero chance he could tell. It’s happening in a microsecond.
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Disagree. Did you see him in the post-match interview? Completely dodged the question of what he thought happened. Every tennis player from probably the high school level and up would know whether or not they hit the ball before it hit the ground, let alone pros. Their touch and feel is world class, they can perceive the minute differences in spin and angle through their racket
 
Aabye5 said:
Come on. Again, Draper isn't obligated to call it, but he could totally tell. He even gave a sheepish grin afterwards.
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I think he definitely know it’s possible. But I don’t think he would cheat if he definitively knew it was a double bounce.

My wife watched it three times in slow motion before she saw the double bounce. Idk.
 
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bw114 said:
Disagree. Did you see him in the post-match interview? Completely dodged the question of what he thought happened. Every tennis player from probably the high school level and up would know whether or not they hit the ball before it hit the ground, let alone pros. Their touch and feel is world class, they can perceive the minute differences in spin and angle through their racket
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Not necessarily. Things happen fast and you can't always be sure what happened but he did offer to replay the point. However the umpire wouldn't back down. Blame him.
 
MisterP said:
I think he definitely know it’s possible. But I don’t think he would cheat if he definitively knew it was a double bounce.

My wife watched it three times in slow motion before she saw the double bounce. Idk.
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Draper hit it, looked at the ref, realized he wasn't going to call it. It was definitely hard to see on camera, but it clearly had an awkward bounce. He would have felt it.

Is it cheating if the ref doesn't see? Not technically, it's just bad sportsmanship.
 
Felix's loss was not based on the half volley but 12 double faults. It's not Draper's job to make the call unless he knew 100% it double bounced. Pretty impossible for the umpire to make that call from that high in the air.
That said, we'll have replays soon enough.
 
Mainad said:
Not necessarily. Things happen fast and you can't always be sure what happened but he did offer to replay the point. However the umpire wouldn't back down. Blame him.
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It’s definitely on the umpire, I don’t hold it against Draper in a moral sense. I just think he knew
 
MisterP said:
I think he definitely know it’s possible. But I don’t think he would cheat if he definitively knew it was a double bounce.

My wife watched it three times in slow motion before she saw the double bounce. Idk.
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Any half-competitive tennis player would know. Draper may have retained a tiny hypothetical percentage of doubt, but he knew with 99.9% certainty that he'd lost that point. In fact, his body language immediately after the fact, with the ball still in the air, TOTALLY gives it away. Which, by the way, only worsens the umpire's position, because even if he doesn't see the bounce, he should be able to make the JUDGMENT CALL just by interpreting the player's reaction.

In sum: VERY WEAK by Draper - BEYOND BAD by the worthless chair guy.
 
I think video replay needs to be used consistently for double bounce and calls similar to this one. Umpires are consistently bad at double bounce calls and nobody does anything about it. This situation is even worse because the umpire clearly wasn't paying enough attention. Felix very clearly saw the entire thing and didn't even have one bit of doubt about what happened. I didn't even have a good view on TV and I thought it was a shank of the ground. Robbie Koenig also immediately chimed in that "this is surely off the ground" right after it happened.
 
The most ridiculous part of the whole thing is that the entire tv production crew immediately knew the right call and could have easily shown it to the ref.

I’ve personally been on a court where I hit a ball that I genuinely thought was “up” and my dubs partner called it “not up”. And I’ve done the same to my partner. It’s a lot harder than you think it is to see something that happens in 0.02 seconds. That’s about the amount of time it took for the ball to hit his frame, hit the ground and pop up.
 
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roysid said:
Not much of a chance there
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It would make for a really weird year. Zverev (zero one Slam final) at #2, Alcaraz (two Slam titles) at #3, Djokovic (one Slam final) #7.

Edit: Zverev made the RG final, Djokovic made only one Slam final.
 
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Aabye5 said:
It would make for a really weird year. Zverev (zero Slam finals) at #2, Alcaraz (two Slam titles) at #3, Djokovic (two Slam finals) #7.
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Numbers don’t lie. It’s like Djokovic being the goat for having 24 slams. He certainly has the numbers but it does feel weird. But again, numbers don’t lie.
 
Baseline_Bungle said:
Any half-competitive tennis player would know. Draper may have retained a tiny hypothetical percentage of doubt, but he knew with 99.9% certainty that he'd lost that point. In fact, his body language immediately after the fact, with the ball still in the air, TOTALLY gives it away. Which, by the way, only worsens the umpire's position, because even if he doesn't see the bounce, he should be able to make the JUDGMENT CALL just by interpreting the player's reaction.
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That is not the rule now, and it would be a terrible rule if implemented. Rulings made on the basis of shoulder shrugs, eye rolls, or sheepish grins? Please.
 
FloridaAG said:
Same Ump who screwed up the Fritz call last week. Dude has no idea what he is doing. And I think Draper knew exactly what happened
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There is no way he could have made that call at real speed with the naked eye. It took three replays, advanced frame by frame, significantly zoomed in to determine Draper trapped the ball. The lack of video replay is the issue here.
 
Open Stance said:
There is no way he could have made that call at real speed with the naked eye. It took three replays, advanced frame by frame, significantly zoomed in to determine Draper trapped the ball. The lack of video replay is the issue here.
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I disagree entirely. It was obvious from one replay, it was obvious in live time and if you had any concept as to how a ball bounces ob court it would have been obvious. Your bias shows clearly
 
FloridaAG said:
I disagree entirely. It was obvious from one replay, it was obvious in live time and if you had any concept as to how a ball bounces ob court it would have been obvious. Your bias shows clearly
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It was far from obvious. It seems like you are the one with bias directed towards Allensworth. The issue here is the lack of video review on calls like this.
 
Did anybody stay up (or get up early) to watch the third set of the Tiafoe match? Looks like it went to another TB. Tiafoe doesn’t like to make things easy on himself.
 
ppma said:
Marozsan was on fire in that match.
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Watched him play this week in person. That kid is composed and focused. I am not sure he has the skills but he certainly has the mental makeup to be good.

The one that played outstanding in my mind was Etchavary (I am sure I misspelled). Similarly very focused except he backed it up with great skill

That match with Shelton was probably the best match I have ever seen in person. The house was rocking.
 
i got it,, i been thinking about this all night and figured out why Carlos was so mad..... he doesn't like losing to Old guys..... he loses to novak the oldest man with one knee gone, and now to Monfils another old dude. Carlos hates losing to OLD players...


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LOBALOT said:
Watched him play this week in person. That kid is composed and focused. I am not sure he has the skills but he certainly has the mental makeup to be good.

The one that played outstanding in my mind was Etchavary (I am sure I misspelled). Similarly very focused except he backed it up with great skill

That match with Shelton was probably the best match I have ever seen in person. The house was rocking.
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Fabian absolutely has the skills imo. It's the mentality that's sus. He's a beautiful player to watch when in flight.
 
Rafa4LifeEver said:
Rio R1 withdrawal

And he has been useless by HIS standards, he is an ATG material we're talking about, not Alexander Zverev or Stefanos Tsitsipas.
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He effectively didn’t play Rio as he rolled his ankle. Honestly stop with the vitriol and the bashing. You didn’t expect Rafa to be A1 perfect every week of every season. It’s really tiresome how people have ridiculous expectations of players and slam them for not winning everything all the time.
 
Rattie said:
He effectively didn’t play Rio as he rolled his ankle. Honestly stop with the vitriol and the bashing. You didn’t expect Rafa to be A1 perfect every week of every season. It’s really tiresome how people have ridiculous expectations of players and slam them for not winning everything all the time.
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Get used to this. The big 3 all went through it and it will be no different for golden boy.
 
Rattie said:
He effectively didn’t play Rio as he rolled his ankle. Honestly stop with the vitriol and the bashing. You didn’t expect Rafa to be A1 perfect every week of every season. It’s really tiresome how people have ridiculous expectations of players and slam them for not winning everything all the time.
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And now a loss against Clownfils. Just when we thought his BO3 shenanigans couldn't get any worse.
He seriously needs to man up and treat BO3 with seriousness as well; he is not a 35 year old veteran who has the mileage, and therefore luxury to treat the non slams as mere warmups or non serious events.
 
Rafa4LifeEver said:
And now a loss against Clownfils. Just when we thought his BO3 shenanigans couldn't get any worse.
He seriously needs to man up and treat BO3 with seriousness as well; he is not a 35 year old veteran who has the mileage, and therefore luxury to treat the non slams as mere warmups or non serious events.
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To be fair you called it spot on again sir. You said why is everyone going for golden boy in thread and then he crashed out. A great prediction by you brother :)
 
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