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PittsburghDad
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I'm still trying to figure out what "red-blooded" means. I've only heard that in "Red blooded American."
Cirstea on Konta: "Next time I am in trouble I will cry too"
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jon70
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Being a thug is, as I said, uncalled for and unacceptable. Red-blooded is just a description, not the best one I admit, because red-blooded is often used to describe healthy male enthusiasm, which this wasn't. As for her suffering, you're assuming it's genuine, when a number of people, including her opponent, think it may have been exaggerated.
It's not being excused. He's guilty of poor behaviour.
There's not some hidden misogyny here. I don't like bullies, but I don't like cheats either.
Latetothegame
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PittsburghDad
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Nastase should have been booted after asking the Asst coach for her hotel room number. In full view of the cameras. Since when is that remotely accceptable in a workplace? This could have been avoided. At that point he's not fit to be there.
airchallenge2
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I would LOVE to know what was said to Konta that made her cry. Obviously it wasn't Nastase cause it happened 2 games after that. This incident reminds me of Sampras crying at AO while dropping aces on Courier. I guess Pete should have stopped for 20 minutes and that would have been be okay with Jim, right?
ComeBackKimiko
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xFullCourtTenniSx
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Actually, being raised in sterile conditions aren't the only things that can cause this. Apparently my grandfather was abusive and as a result my mom cries if you use the wrong tone with her. I'm guessing it gives her bad flashbacks. Some people just aren't tough.
Funny.
Well, Pete and Jim were good friends (and Jim's an incredible guy). Jim would've been fine with it if they suspended the match for a day (which he did offer). Maybe Cirstea should've done the same. She probably felt Konta might have been disingenuous since her reaction was delayed. She's not the only one. I'm on the fence. I understand that people don't always react how you'd expect (which would be crying near immediately) and that some people are very fragile. At the same time, this apparently isn't the first time she's taken a questionable break (someone mentioned the USO).
I don't think anyone will argue for Nastase's defense. He was immediately removed and subsequently banned (although that "provisional" next to the ban worries me; wasn't the p-word I was looking for). Don't know why if someone feels Konta's reaction to be fake or over the top that it would automatically mean they think what Nastase did was okay.
The topics are:
1) Was her crying genuine (not whether it is allowed or warranted), and
2) should she have been allowed a 25 minute time out for crying?
The topics that AREN'T relevant are:
1) ANYTHING regarding Nastase (if you think ANYONE is defending that guy, you're making giant leaps in logic or unwarranted assumptions), and
2) whether she should be allowed to cry (what you think that says about her or what others think of what you think of it is irrelevant).
For the topics, I'm on the fence about whether she was being genuine or not. Apparently she was in a similar situation before, but her sports psychologist committed suicide 6 months ago. Maybe things have been building up with her in her personal life. Maybe what Nastase said caused her to recall something very unpleasant. Maybe she was holding it in until she couldn't hide it anymore and that's why it looked like a delayed reaction. I don't think there's enough information to make an informed decision. Until we hear more (which will be never), there's nothing to do but give Konta the benefit of the doubt. You're innocent until proven guilty. And it's in the rules of tennis to give your opponent the benefit of the doubt.
As for whether she should be allowed the time out, you have to argue between sportsmanship and continuous play. Sampras showed real heart playing through it. Courier showed real sportsmanship offering to suspend play. As a Sampras fan, I think you should play though it (maybe be allowed a 5 minute MTO, but that's probably the limit unless the opponent offers you more). He played through vomiting on the court and news of his coach having terminal cancer. Michael Chang played through insane cramps. It's on both players to be courteous to each other. But there are a lot of factors to take into consideration. And it's hard to be fair while also denying any chance of abusing the system. People already want players to be penalized when they use medical time outs. And I'd rather not have honest players punished because there might be a few dishonest players abusing the system.
smalahove
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For those unable to understand her breakdown, I suggs reading the following:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2...a-badly-shaken-called-ing-*****-ilie-nastase/
The Romanian-Hungarian hatred among fans is well know in football (and woman handball), and Romanian (team) fans are reputed for their unsportmanslike behaviour, to put it in a PC way.
Just as a sidenote, it's very rare to see grown men crying as a result of fan heckling, but those pictures most often come from eastern euro countries ...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tennis/2...a-badly-shaken-called-ing-*****-ilie-nastase/
The situation escalated quickly until Nastase was forced to leave the stadium, throwing a parting shot of “----ing bitches” at Konta and her captain Anne Keothavong as he went.
That was not the end of the abuse for Konta, however, as jeers and catcalls rained down from the stands. It may not have helped that she has a Hungarian background, as there are deep resentments between the two countries. But whatever the explanation, it was entirely understandable that she broke down in tears at the end of the next game, and had to be allowed a short break – of 20 minutes or so – to regather herself in the locker-room.
“It was just unfortunate that I think the crowd took initiative from the Romanian captain’s behaviour,” said Konta after completing her 6-2, 6-3 victory over Sorana Cirstea. “The abusive language of everybody there who was there, it kind of snowballed. Once you promote something like that, it gives courage to a lot of people to think it’s okay. It quite frankly got out of hand.
So it's not like she broke down after another game due to the parting FU from Nastase ...That was not the end of the abuse for Konta, however, as jeers and catcalls rained down from the stands. It may not have helped that she has a Hungarian background, as there are deep resentments between the two countries. But whatever the explanation, it was entirely understandable that she broke down in tears at the end of the next game, and had to be allowed a short break – of 20 minutes or so – to regather herself in the locker-room.
“It was just unfortunate that I think the crowd took initiative from the Romanian captain’s behaviour,” said Konta after completing her 6-2, 6-3 victory over Sorana Cirstea. “The abusive language of everybody there who was there, it kind of snowballed. Once you promote something like that, it gives courage to a lot of people to think it’s okay. It quite frankly got out of hand.
The Romanian-Hungarian hatred among fans is well know in football (and woman handball), and Romanian (team) fans are reputed for their unsportmanslike behaviour, to put it in a PC way.
Just as a sidenote, it's very rare to see grown men crying as a result of fan heckling, but those pictures most often come from eastern euro countries ...
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PittsburghDad
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You must be proud. Of what, I have no idea.
Bartelby
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rodan1957
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did not see it but she could have and Cirstea said she faked or exaggerated it
accidental
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Nastase would have verbally abused hundreds, if not thousands of professional players and umpires in his career
i don't recall any of them being given a break to have a good cry
i don't recall any of them being given a break to have a good cry
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
So you went over in your mind all the thousands he abused, when and how exactly?
And you absolutely do not recall, really?
Why don't you put this massive archive you've assembled on line to see if we agree?
(You need a new rhetorical device because this one just doen't fly!)
And you absolutely do not recall, really?
Why don't you put this massive archive you've assembled on line to see if we agree?
(You need a new rhetorical device because this one just doen't fly!)
TahoeTennis
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So your not from pittsburg and not a dad?
*you're
Chanwan
G.O.A.T.
This. End thread/Lol...just listen to yourselves! Nastase makes a foul-mouthed insult at a visiting player, upsets her, and its all somehow HER fault???
Instead of apologising like any normal team would do and being thoroughly ashamed that they actually put someone like HIM in charge of their team, embarrassing themselves in front of the entire world, they are all busy blaming Konta and Team GB for daring to get upset at their OWN CAPTAIN's appalling behaviour!!!
Do me a favour....puhhlleeasse!!!
DRII
G.O.A.T.
the "West' is sterile, you know with our expectation of decorum/politeness/respect and all...
we're just delicate snowflakes living in a 'PC' culture and forgot what real life is where certain groups knew their place and not to get all uppity or empowered.
we're weak and soft unlike Putin and his ilk...
DRII
G.O.A.T.
yea well, BernieBros empowered one here.
so be careful throwing stones in that glass house of yours.
ScottleeSV
Hall of Fame
Utterly staggered by some of the attacks on Konta on here, and can only really put it down to ignorance or lack of life experience.
It is perfectly plausible to have a delayed reaction when something shocks you. Also, it's completely unacceptable to pass off abuse as 'part of the game, and crack on with it lass'.
If this had been on the other foot and the tie had been at Wimbledon, Konta likely would have gone around the net, checked Cirstea was okay, and then offered to walk her back to the changing rooms for the timeout herself.
The Romanian players may be 'tougher' than the British, for whatever that's worth, but personally...I'd rather have the most dignity and class.
It is perfectly plausible to have a delayed reaction when something shocks you. Also, it's completely unacceptable to pass off abuse as 'part of the game, and crack on with it lass'.
If this had been on the other foot and the tie had been at Wimbledon, Konta likely would have gone around the net, checked Cirstea was okay, and then offered to walk her back to the changing rooms for the timeout herself.
The Romanian players may be 'tougher' than the British, for whatever that's worth, but personally...I'd rather have the most dignity and class.
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PittsburghDad
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It won't be, but it should be the coda of the thread. Well put.
bigservesofthands
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Things are getting better in the western world when it comes to accommodating mental illness and related conditions (anxiety, depression, panic ....). These conditions have real physical manifestations that individuals can't control (shaking, crying, loss of motor control ....). These are as real as any physical injury and the physiological mechanisms that govern them are being understood only in the recent past with advances in things like brain imaging.
Mardy Fish's promising career was cut short. I think he would have done much better had he been born a decade or two later. Kvitova and Konta got help and managed to reach their potential.
Subjecting people who suffer from such conditions to triggering stimuli from spectators is akin to letting spectators in a boxing match throw things at a cut and bleeding eye of a prize fighter.
There have to be limits!
Mardy Fish's promising career was cut short. I think he would have done much better had he been born a decade or two later. Kvitova and Konta got help and managed to reach their potential.
Subjecting people who suffer from such conditions to triggering stimuli from spectators is akin to letting spectators in a boxing match throw things at a cut and bleeding eye of a prize fighter.
There have to be limits!
Gullyfoyle
Rookie
Team captain swears at ref, send off the court, calls the opposing team captain. f******g B***h
Then calls the opposing player the same, in the middle of a match.. the game should have been forfeited.
Nasty's tirade emboldened an already volatile crown onto even greater acts of unsportsmanlike behaviour.
It's his fault, not some poor woman trying to play a game of tennis.
And it's nothing to do with nationality, everybody cries .....sometimes.
Then calls the opposing player the same, in the middle of a match.. the game should have been forfeited.
Nasty's tirade emboldened an already volatile crown onto even greater acts of unsportsmanlike behaviour.
It's his fault, not some poor woman trying to play a game of tennis.
And it's nothing to do with nationality, everybody cries .....sometimes.
Vanhool
Hall of Fame
Exactly. Konta had the momentum before Cirstea's team captain disrupted the match. Romanian team was lucky that they weren't made to pay for Nastase's boorish behavior with DQ or some other heavy penalty.
It's absolutely ridiculous to think that Konta (who is heavily favored in this matchup) would purposefully endure all the embarrassment and hoopla of sobbing and timeout to gain an advantage at 3-1 in the first frickin' set! No way in hell was it gamesmanship; that is just idiotic. One can argue that she should be tough enough not to require a timeout (and that would obviously be preferred), but the whole thing was set in motion by a bannable offense commited by opposing team captain, so timeout seems like a reasonable compromise.
Aussie Darcy
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This thread and some of the comments are just downright disgusting.
What a world we are living in when this grown man heckled his opposing team by calling them f*cking b*tches and we manage to blame anyone other than the vile person who said it.
Throw on top of it the racist comments from him about Serena's baby the other day, him asking for GBR's coaches room number and Pam Shriver revealing the disgusting things he's done over the years.
Bitterly disappointed in posts from certain posters on here. Degrading women to sexual objects, getting annoyed at someone reacting to being verbally abused. 0 accountability on Nastase.
And posters here try to say the world isn't sexist. Disgrace.
What a world we are living in when this grown man heckled his opposing team by calling them f*cking b*tches and we manage to blame anyone other than the vile person who said it.
Throw on top of it the racist comments from him about Serena's baby the other day, him asking for GBR's coaches room number and Pam Shriver revealing the disgusting things he's done over the years.
Bitterly disappointed in posts from certain posters on here. Degrading women to sexual objects, getting annoyed at someone reacting to being verbally abused. 0 accountability on Nastase.
And posters here try to say the world isn't sexist. Disgrace.
Bhagi Katbamna
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Makes me admire people like Henry Aaron more. He was booed everywhere he came up to bat and people were sending him death threats when he was close to breaking Babe Ruth's home run record.
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Chadillac
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Just because you care about these things, doesnt mean everyone else does. Words can only do what you allow them to.
I dont see any woman standing up for mens rights, instead its the opposite. When i do, i'll return the favor.
killerboi2
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I agree. Plus If a man started crying and delayed the match because a female swore at him I guarantee most people would (rightly) burst out laughing at him. It's special treatment in my opinion. Also a question of favouritism. If Kyrgios delayed the match because he was upset at the entire crowds obnoxious behaviour towards him in Miami the press would just lay into him even more.
The Fedfather
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Tennis players should not be expected to deal with any type of abuse, that's not a part of their job. Konta getting upset to the point of crying because of insults and verbal threats directed at her during the match is not an issue, not objectively at least. Props to Cristea for not letting hostile crowds get to her, self-discipline is an admirable quality, but berating Konta for inability to handle abuse well is absurd. The problem is that such nasty behavior from some people in the crowd gets a free pass when it absolutely should not. Cristea's anger should be directed at the idiots in the crowd and the umpire who, if I understand correctly, did not make any effort to keep them in check.
Big_Dangerous
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accidental
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I've just posted this archive to my personal website at your request my friend.
Please PM me and I'll send you the link and take you through each case one by one.
Pavla
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Nastase unrepentant, Serena responds: http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2017...t-after-abusing-british-players-umpire/65629/
PeteD
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I think one reason for the delay may have been a lot of the security guys were needed escorting Nastase out of the stadium, so they wanted them to come back in case something else happened.
Bartelby
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jon70
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Interesting how people are pointing to Courier's Sampras comment as an example of sportsmanship. I always thought it was until I saw the clip and now I think it was said in jest, as in, 'It's OK Pete, I'm in the middle of trying to win a match but you can take time out to have a breakdown.'
Slice'n'dice
Hall of Fame
Thought the officials stopped play? People are slagging Konta off for being upset about something. Some of you people around here are really ****ing weird.
Slice'n'dice
Hall of Fame
Yeah white people and men have had a hard time of it over the years haven't they.
I'd quit while you are already pretty far behind mate. Take some time off the forums and educate yourself.
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Chadillac
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The most discriminated group today. If you would like to debate affirmative action, racial and gender quota's im all for it. Asians still have it the worst (im not asian).
You have to remember, i dont respect what people like you have to say. If Konta felt the same way, this is a non issue. See how well it works?
Edit - straight white men. I forgot gay people get special protections as well
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
Seriously, you're turning this issue where Konta was called a f*cking b*tch by Nastase into mens rights? Good god, you'll find any way to bring that topic into conversation.
Just absolutely laughable. As a white male, I do not feel discriminated against when I see articles about how a white male (Nastase) comments on a black females pregnancy and what colour the child could be (Serena). Or a white male (Nastase) calling an Asian heritaged Brit (Anne Keothavang) and a white female (Konta) f*cking b*tches.
Quit acting like we, the white men are hard done by. How often do we see threads here of women attacking the mens tour? Rarely, if ever. Yet we see threads frequently where men attack the womens tour, call them weak, hormonal, question their worth, degrade them to their body parts such as their asses (as we saw on this thread).
It's an absolute disgrace and the fact you've turned this thread somehow into men being victims is laughable.
Slice'n'dice
Hall of Fame
Ignorance is bliss eh?
On Konta, you can't choose how something affects you, sometimes something can upset you. You shouldn't be condemned for being upset by being abused. To say otherwise is absurd. From what I understand the umpire stopped play anyway. Not Konta, so there is even less reason for her to be blamed (and there was already zero).
Well he is a laughable poster, so maybe that's appropriate the stereotypical ignorant American who thinks Donald Trump is God.
sportsfan1
Legend
As an impartial dude, gotta go with Cirstea on this one. 
Jokes aside, Nastase was an ass, maybe he's just used to a different culture or he was just being smart, but Cirstea still has a point on the delayed water works from Konta that started only after getting broken. Just desserts for the GB team that they lost the tie.
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Jokes aside, Nastase was an ass, maybe he's just used to a different culture or he was just being smart, but Cirstea still has a point on the delayed water works from Konta that started only after getting broken. Just desserts for the GB team that they lost the tie.
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PittsburghDad
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Wow. Not much to say there.
Bender
G.O.A.T.
Not just a woman, anyone really...
Could not agree more. If anything Courier's comment were actually quite mean given the circumstances. He was clearly not too pleased with Sampras' behavior. The fact that anyone would bring that scenario as an example of 'sportsmanship' is beyond silly.
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Chadillac
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I forgot how we got there but it was ot and questionable, neither of us will convince the other of change.
Moving on from unproductive topics is actually productive.
Like it or not the tennis on the wta vs atp isnt comparable, it usually stems from equal pay. That is really bothersome, whoever won miami got paid more than krygios, thats just not right.
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PittsburghDad
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Some of the attitudes on here are.wild. Is this the people we are supposed to be reaching out to these days in America. You know....To "understand how they feel". No thanks. I get it.
tennis tom
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It's been discussed a lot here, but one thread has disappeared and two others are locked--end of discussion--this one will likely be locked too--this ain't UC Berkeley the cradle of free speech and where it abounds.
tennis tom
Legend
Konta needs some deconditioning interventions; she should be forced to attend soccer matches.
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Vanhool
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I suspect that there are one or a few paid non-American trolls (who also happen to be tennis fans) that have set up an account (or multiple accounts) in here. This is kind of their downtime, but if they throw in some political crap with their tennis talk they can hang out in here on the clock for hours.
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