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Cirstea on Konta: "Next time I am in trouble I will cry too"
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tenisdecente
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I have to agree at some extent with Sorana, even if her comments are not the most political correct to say the least...
- Konta breaking down after being broken (2 games after Nastase was ejected from the stadium)
- 20-25 minutes interruption... really? 5 minutes to calm her down and the crowd would be enough
- Konta's past is not really nice with some questionable MTO's
I despise Nastase's behaviour - IMHO he should not be able to attend any other competition even as a spectator. But I sense some gamemanship from Konta's this time
- Konta breaking down after being broken (2 games after Nastase was ejected from the stadium)
- 20-25 minutes interruption... really? 5 minutes to calm her down and the crowd would be enough
- Konta's past is not really nice with some questionable MTO's
I despise Nastase's behaviour - IMHO he should not be able to attend any other competition even as a spectator. But I sense some gamemanship from Konta's this time
Mr Feeny
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That's what has me thinking it's insidious. If she had reacted that way immediately after the abuse, I'd have chalked it off as an emotional reaction go getting abuse. But to see her all fine and dandy and later down the line starts crying, is what throws a wrench in things.
That's the kind of thing that has you thinking it's a ploy because she was in trouble.
Having said that, the abuse shouldn't have happened. Glad they kicked him out and he should be reprimanded.
Mr Feeny
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Yeah I think I agree. Not that it's right. She shouldn't have been subjected to the abuse. And it shouldn't happen again.
But I think I agree. Something about it seemed underhanded.
haqq777
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I played college tennis for 3 years and change. Trust me, no where near comparable to the Fed Cup incident. Not sure where this guy played but sounds like BS. If any of my coaches/captain behaved like that, calling other team members b!tches etc, our team would have been defaulted from the match instantly. Also, only Big 12 started allowing heckling/screaming during points and that too in 2015. Before that, proper tennis etiquette was to be observed. Which meant no heckling, shouting during rallies and points etc.
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tennis tom
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There needs to be an investigation and a lab analysis of her tears to discover if they belonged to a crocodile--if she was wearing Chemise LaCoste, it's a no-brainer.
millicurie999
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Next time, use United flight crew.
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PittsburghDad
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"Something about it seems underhanded."
Um. Not really. Unless you want it to be. For your own personal reasons.
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PittsburghDad
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Think about that. "She shouldn't have been subjected to the abuse.". But I think her crying is underhanded. Because it didn't happen as immediately as I wanted.
I mean you people can't be serious.
And the asst coach who was also called a "f***** b*****" by him on court, was her reaction good for you at the press conference? When he asks her for her hotel room number and pulls her closer as she leans away. She's pregnant and married. And she reacted like she's been programmed to. She dealt with it. Konta reacted, or tried to, as stoically as she could. A person storming on court to call her a "f****** b****". But her reaction wasn't JUST the way you wanted. So she's "underhanded" Well, good for you. 1/2 of you think she's too weak because she cried. The other 1/2 think she's so ruthless she faked it.
In the rush to blame her for this, you can't even be cohesive on what garbage angle you want to take.
Odd folk in this world.
I mean you people can't be serious.
And the asst coach who was also called a "f***** b*****" by him on court, was her reaction good for you at the press conference? When he asks her for her hotel room number and pulls her closer as she leans away. She's pregnant and married. And she reacted like she's been programmed to. She dealt with it. Konta reacted, or tried to, as stoically as she could. A person storming on court to call her a "f****** b****". But her reaction wasn't JUST the way you wanted. So she's "underhanded" Well, good for you. 1/2 of you think she's too weak because she cried. The other 1/2 think she's so ruthless she faked it.
In the rush to blame her for this, you can't even be cohesive on what garbage angle you want to take.
Odd folk in this world.
Faris
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absolutely spot on!
r2473
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PittsburghDad
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That the best you got? Pretty weak.
DRII
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problem is, they are not that odd (as far as representation is concerned). we saw what happened here in last year's election in the US. the way of thinking under discussion in this thread makes up a very sizeable/large minority of people, and then when you add in those who are adjacent to it (meaning misogyny/racism/discrimination is not that relevant to them or seems overblown in this PC era) we get enough people to represent close to half the population.
tennis tom
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Hey, to put this into perspective, no one got beheaded, no one lost a leg, no one's car got stolen. Nasty Nastasie was Nasty Nastasie, his reputation is intact--he made the girls cry and made a corn-ball remark that in this snowflake world will be psychobabbled to death on slow news days. These are professionals and Konta recovered and won the match. She's probably not even gonna' need twelve sessions of therapy.
atatu
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I still don't get why everyone is overlooking the fact that the fans were being abusive to her after Nastase made the remarks ? So everyone who is saying that Konta had a delayed reaction is ignoring the fact that the fans were abusing her non stop from the time that he was kicked out ? That kind of destroys the entire argument doesn't it ?
r2473
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I was just making a smart ass comment because you were asking the definition of a word. I had no idea who you were. But I read a bit of the thread and see that you like confrontation.
So yes, that's the best I got. Sorry to disappoint you.
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Tiki-Taka
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Kind of surprised Konta got this much criticism. I feel bad for Cirstea dealing with all kinds of abuse over the world, I am sure people from her region and around it get discriminated from time to time, and I really admire her for managing to ignore all of that but not everybody went through the same problems so I wouldn't fault Konta for having a more emotional reaction to something she probably never or hardly ever experienced before.
After all she should have never been put into such a position, criticizing her for crying but not the people that insulted her makes no sense to me. And reactions aren't instant all the time, it can take some time to process everything or people just try to keep calm but fail to do it and simply burst out a bit later. A player like her surely turned around bigger deficits than one break in the second set after actually winning the first so I really don't think she staged this to halt some momentum. After all she isn't the one that decided the match will have a 20-25 minute break, it was the officials.
In the end this can be used as a lesson for everybody. For the tennis crowds to behave better, for Konta to respond better if any new abuse happens. And of course make sure Nastase is never in a position to cause more problems again.
After all she should have never been put into such a position, criticizing her for crying but not the people that insulted her makes no sense to me. And reactions aren't instant all the time, it can take some time to process everything or people just try to keep calm but fail to do it and simply burst out a bit later. A player like her surely turned around bigger deficits than one break in the second set after actually winning the first so I really don't think she staged this to halt some momentum. After all she isn't the one that decided the match will have a 20-25 minute break, it was the officials.
In the end this can be used as a lesson for everybody. For the tennis crowds to behave better, for Konta to respond better if any new abuse happens. And of course make sure Nastase is never in a position to cause more problems again.
rodan1957
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She may have and the Romanian players believe she might have
Bender
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So from what I gather, some posters here are saying that when Ill Nasty cusses Konta on international TV and in front of thousands of spectators, Konta should have (basically) taken the verbal abuse like a man, but are admitting that they themselves are offended by the fact that Konta--the recipient of the verbal abuse--found it offensive?
This from the same board composed of the same men that resort to throwing hissy fits and character assassination whenever their favourite players get beaten by a player they don't like?
I'm starting to think that some of these guys who claim that they would have handled it far better than Konta aren't actually as 'tough', considering that even mild debate / retorts seem to set them off.
This from the same board composed of the same men that resort to throwing hissy fits and character assassination whenever their favourite players get beaten by a player they don't like?
I'm starting to think that some of these guys who claim that they would have handled it far better than Konta aren't actually as 'tough', considering that even mild debate / retorts seem to set them off.
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Bender
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And what's this bull**** about Romanians not being capable of being racist?
Of course they can be racist. Despite what Tumblr likes to think, racism ≠ prejudice + power. It's just discrimination / prejudice on the basis of race and / or nationality. Cirstea just made a sweeping statement of all Brits--that's racist.
It's like saying you can't be racist because you're black, yellow, brown, pink, or off-white. Of course you can. Come to Asia where racism runs rampant, and in some countries are practically institutionalised. It's like saying you can't be sexist because you're female. Of course you can. Any father who's so much as taken their children out for a walk in the park, who has been on the receiving end of young mothers accusing them of being paedophiles can tell you that women can be just as sexist.
Of course they can be racist. Despite what Tumblr likes to think, racism ≠ prejudice + power. It's just discrimination / prejudice on the basis of race and / or nationality. Cirstea just made a sweeping statement of all Brits--that's racist.
It's like saying you can't be racist because you're black, yellow, brown, pink, or off-white. Of course you can. Come to Asia where racism runs rampant, and in some countries are practically institutionalised. It's like saying you can't be sexist because you're female. Of course you can. Any father who's so much as taken their children out for a walk in the park, who has been on the receiving end of young mothers accusing them of being paedophiles can tell you that women can be just as sexist.
ComeBackKimiko
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Who is "We"?
You and Bartleby? Keep your hands to yourself, thanks, don't need any more reaching from that quarter...
smalahove
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Romania were sentenced to play a Euro 2016 qualifier behind closed doors after Uefa fined them for racist behaviour by supporters. That doesn't happen often in soccer ...
The match that resulted in the ban was against Hungary (where her parents are from). No lost love there.
tenisdecente
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One thing is what is punished and another what really happens. Racism in football is EVERYWHERE: Spain, France, Italy, etc. but I guess only Romanian/croatians are the real barbarics LMAO
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PittsburghDad
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I'm sure this thread speaks for itself. Quite a stretch, (but obviously motivated), to go after Konta on this. It's a deplorable opinion. But we know those exist. What can you do?
So you say it is impossible she faked it? Because in this situation (and with her reputation) I see it as very possible situation and if so... she is on par with Nastase. If it is impossible in your opinion than OK, lets agree to disagree.
smalahove
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I'm not labelling all Romanian fans. What I know is that some of the Romanian and Hungarian woman's handball fans are notorious for their deplorable conduct - and that there is no lost love between the two.
And of course there is racism in sports everywhere, but doesn't mean you can equate sports racism and hooliganism in France with Turkey f.inst., where soccer can be a matter of life and death. There was an incident a while back where a fan broke the chin (?) of a Steaua Bucuresti player on the pitch. That doesn't happen that often, except in countries where soccer is taken very, very seriously.
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PittsburghDad
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Not impossible. Nothing is. But not very likely. And again I think it speaks volumes about a person's predispositions when something like that happens and the response is "the girl's faking it.". I would question somebody's mindset who does. I mean, Nastase basically hit the trifecta. He made a ridiculous comment about the color of one woman's child. He then asked for the hotel room number of a married, pregnant woman in a professional setting. And physically touching her. Then for his coda he stomped around the court calling women "f***** B*****es.".
And immediately there is a thread that among other things claims that Konta is a weak person, that she gamed the system and even that she got the time because she "has a nice arse.".
There's a bit more going on here then "she got too much time.".
It's a twisted up mindset.
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