DSH
Bionic Poster
Wimbledon or the US Open, this season.
I hope that the good sinner continues to improve his serve and strengthen his physique, if he succeeds, the best is yet to come for him.
Clay to expose Sinner false dawn? (Sinner 2024 vs Fed 2004)
- Thread starter Meles
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I hope that the good sinner continues to improve his serve and strengthen his physique, if he succeeds, the best is yet to come for him.
dking68
G.O.A.T.
Why do you think Sinner has what it takes to succeed on British Lawns this year? What aspects of his game will allow him to do so?Wimbledon or the US Open, this season.
I hope that the good sinner continues to improve his service and strengthen his physique, if he succeeds, the best is yet to come for him.
DSH
Bionic Poster
A high percentage of first serves, going up to the net to finish the point, using the slice to change the pace of the match, using the parallel backhand to destabilize the opponent on duty.
Be more offensive with the return of his opponents' second serves to take away their reaction time.
CHillTennis
Hall of Fame
Ok. So if a 22 year old tennis player loses to a 36 year old tennis player, then what does that tell us about their ability?The prime of a tennis player begins at 22 and ends at 28, 29 years old.
The peak of the great tennis players is between 24 and 27 years old, as a general rule.
Prime Sinner loses to ancient Djokovic.
dking68
G.O.A.T.
Keep doubting Sinner, your video is embarrassingly wrong so farOk. So if a 22 year old tennis player loses to a 36 year old tennis player, then what does that tell us about their ability?
Prime Sinner loses to ancient Djokovic.
DSH
Bionic Poster
Yes, he didn't play the ATP Finals definition well and the Serbian wolf ate his entire prey mercilessly.Ok. So if a 22 year old tennis player loses to a 36 year old tennis player, then what does that tell us about their ability?
But, he quickly vindicated himself in the Davis Cup Finals, giving him a taste of his own medicine, saving three match points against him and in the Australian Open he finished with the longest winning streak of his rival, ending his invincibility in the semifinals, comfortably winning the match, except for a distraction in the third set.
Of course, he should never lose again against his opponent who is 14 years older, since unlike Alcaraz, the good sinner is already in his prime and has no excuses for having a negative result against him from now on.
CHillTennis
Hall of Fame
Sinner also got smoked in that Wimbledon semi-final, which happened just a month before his 22nd birthday.Yes, he didn't play the ATP Finals definition well and the Serbian wolf ate his entire prey mercilessly.
But, he quickly vindicated himself in the Davis Cup Finals, giving him a taste of his own medicine, saving three match points against him and in the Australian Open he finished with the longest winning streak of his rival, ending his invincibility in the semifinals, comfortably winning the match, except for a distraction in the third set.
Of course, he should never lose again against his opponent who is 14 years older, since unlike Alcaraz, the good sinner is already in his prime and has no excuses for having a negative result against him from now on.
I agree with what you say, that the player's prime typically begins around age 22.
With that being said...there has never been a multi-time grand slam champion, that has lost matches to a player who is 14 years their senior, after the multi-time grand slam champion's 22nd birthday.
Not since the start of the Open era, at any rate.
CHillTennis
Hall of Fame
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
I hope the common sense might prevail and you see the light.
DSH
Bionic Poster
From RG 2024 to the Australian Open 2025, they are the last Major tournaments that the Serbian wolf will compete at a high level, before his final decline.
The good sinner will have to show what stuff he is made of and put an end to the greatest winner of GS titles in history once and for all and establish a new era, this time definitive.
CHillTennis
Hall of Fame
I'm not living in the Bizarro World, son.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Look son I was being nice to you but it seems you're not just a troll but also a clown for being deliberately obtuse. Come to my ignore.
CHillTennis
Hall of Fame
Who is to say that Djokovic's final decline will be at next year's Australian Open?From RG 2024 to the Australian Open 2025, they are the last Major tournaments that the Serbian wolf will compete at a high level, before his final decline.
The good sinner will have to show what stuff he is made of and put an end to the greatest winner of GS titles in history once and for all and establish a new era, this time definitive.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Clown tennis entertainment son has been put on ignore.
CHillTennis
Hall of Fame
Suit yourself, bro.
CHillTennis
Hall of Fame
Skipperfan's are easily upset.
DSH
Bionic Poster
38 years old is the last straw for the greatest players of all time, especially at GS events.
CHillTennis
Hall of Fame
Roger Federer was nearly 38 when he had that amazing run at Wimbledon. Then if you want to go back in time, quite a bit, Ken Rosewall made the finals of Wimbledon and the US Open when he was 39.38 years old is the last straw for the greatest players of all time, especially at GS events.
I hear what you're saying, but I still think it's possible that Djokovic could continue to be a threat to win grand slam titles for another two and a half years.
dking68
G.O.A.T.
He’s a complete fool as far as I’m concerned. A guy who’s 25-1 to start a season has no signs of ATG potential?
How many other players have done that in their careers?
Jimmy Connors
Ivan Lendl
Novak Djokovic
Roger Federer
Pete Sampras
Jannik Sinner
Come to mind. All tennis legends, all ATGs, Sinner will be ATG
dking68
G.O.A.T.
Yup I have him on ignore as well
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
He deliberately ignored my point when I asked should I discredit Fed's because he lost to worse players in his pre prime days than Sinner did, lol
CHillTennis
Hall of Fame
Then why do you keep liking my posts? Lol.
JoshDragon
Hall of Fame
Haters gonna hate, right?
DSH
Bionic Poster
xFedal
Legend
Sinner is playing as if he's a level above ATGs he's playing as if he's the GOAT, 94.1% hold and 31.4% break. 94% HOLD impossible for Federer, Sampras, Novak to reach.
Meles
Bionic Poster
Well you seem to be a bit of an expert on the vacuum era so it takes one to know one I guess.
To my eyes the game and field is exceptionally strong right now with incredible depth to the field that has never been seen before.
Krish872007
Talk Tennis Guru
Lol
Meles
Bionic Poster
Though Rune due to his inferior return game is a lesser talent, an exhausted Rune caused a lot of trouble for Sinner and he's ended Sinner's and Alcaraz's seasons in 2022. His aggression and power seems a real asset that is getting him through a lot of tight spots. Though statistically these kind of trends never really hold and another take would be that Rune is actually much worse than his current ranking which has been propped up by unsustainable tiebreak records etc.. His lot seems to be some kind of mythical Safin type player. The Rune v Sinner QF was a tactical master class by both players.
Krish872007
Talk Tennis Guru
Rune has the makings of becoming an excellent mover on clay tbh
If not for his mini-slump he'd already be threatening for the RG title. This MC might just push him back into the conversation
Meles
Bionic Poster
Despite the title I'm not sure I was calling this a false dawn.Well well, look who was right. Great call, Mel
Definitely a jinx thread.
Meles
Bionic Poster
His stamina seems worse than ever (my new theory is it is the giant legs simply have too much mass for the surface area and over heat and the tight pants and ball cap don't help.
) But he has a ton of power to cover it up. I think he needs to be able to grind more to break, but if he can further refine the ball bashing (with some junk) he did seem alright at the end of the Sinner match. I don't see how it can possibly work, but he was certainly harnessing his new found power very well against Sinner. I do believe this power is taking quite a toll on opponents and it might get very interesting in a best of five set match.
Krish872007
Talk Tennis Guru
His stamina seems worse than ever (my new theory is it is the giant legs simply have too much mass for the surface area and over heat and the tight pants and ball cap don't help.
On the fitness side, Gunter Bresnik could actually be a super addition to the camp. But I doubt they'll get along, clash of personalities
The guy did wonders with Thiem for a few years. Ugly breakup though
Meles
Bionic Poster
Imagine if Gaudio, Coria, JCF, Kuerten, Costa, Correjta, even Magnus Norman all did not go belly up and were still in their prime come 2005 for Nadal. I'm not so sure we see all those Fedal finals in that Universe. Its not just the all court players who collapsed with the tour going full poly.Nadal vs Gaudio in the quarterfinals of RG 2004, who wins?
Meles
Bionic Poster
Thiem has become a gimp and I'm pretty sure the blame lies at the feet of Gunter Bresnik. Rune needs to play half as much tennis and learn some sense like Sinner. Why on earth was he playing doubles in Monte Carlo with the defense of Munich looming next week? Rune is much worse than Thiem with the scheduling, Bresnik would be like throwing gasoline on a fire.
Meles
Bionic Poster
You're advocating for gut?
Federer was not in his prime come 2004. Like it or not Federer forced the tour to get away from full gut strings quickly and ultimately destroyed all court tennis which then became impossible to win with as everyone suddenly was Hewitt from the baseline. Hewitt had injury issues, but also his greatest strength was his baseline game on fast surfaces and that advantage went away when everyone started using poly and the baseliners took over the tour.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
My point was that Federer still needed to mature and improve, it wasn't poly magically turning him into the player he became.You're advocating for gut?
Meles
Bionic Poster
100%, but you sell him short because he did adapt very well while others did not. Fed was a Pat Rafter wannabe big time who fancied serve and volley tennis even. My guess is once the other top players still holding onto gut saw his incredible level in 2004 Australia that they all started thinking really hard about making the switch. A lot of retooling went on and of course younger players who'd used it much longer (Nadal and Gasquet) showed up and were wolfs among the all court sheep as well. I love baseline tennis and this was a wonderful change in the game, but it was a huge advantage to be at the cutting edge of that technology change. Federer was not really one of these wolves so to speak as he was the one all court player who really adapted well. I think in a poly free world he would have had a lesser career, but what he did was a mark of greatness. Connors, Borg, McEnroe, etc. never really sustained with Graphite rackets. Lendl might be seen as sort of an early adapter of the technology, but still groomed his game with lesser equipment. I'm not sure he really adapted. What Federer did was miraculous historically; he weathered a technology change and even prospered with many comebacks in his career; a marvel and really the true goat in many ways.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
From what I remember, Agassi switched in 2002 and Nalbandian changed before the 2004 AO.
Fed changed at 2002 Rome and still underperformed massively for a long time.
Let's not forget that non-poly users at that time Hewitt and Nalbandian were still beating Fed in 2002-2003 and Sampras beat poly user Agassi at the 2002 USO F.
Which leads me to believe that the difference between gut and poly isn't as big as between wood and graphite.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
If anything, shouldn't be Kuerten used an example since he used poly to win RG in 1997 so he was the pioneer of that string to an extent.
To this day some people still think Federer switched late to poly and he switched at 2002 Rome.
Others did adapt well to poly. Hewitt, for example, was still a top 5 player and slam contender in 2005 after he switched to poly. Injuries were the main reason for his downfall.
Roddick stayed as a top 10 player and slam contender for a long time.
CHillTennis
Hall of Fame
Right. I guess that's why a 36 year old has been dominating the pro tour for the last three years.
You know, because the tour has incredible depth at the moment.
Rovesciarete
Hall of Fame
Players like Rune or Tsitsipas have the quality of game and weight of shot to pressure the two young guns clearly ahead of the field if they play well enough. Right now the overall game-plan against both is to take the fight to them and pressure as much as possible. This can backfire horribly as we have seen in Australian for Djokovic or Medvedev in Miami but the feeling seems to be that you will lose more often if you let them dictate.
Stefanos was like Rune relying on his first strike tennis with serve plus but could not keep up the level for all the sets. RG will make it harder still.
martinezownsclay
Hall of Fame
Sinner is kind of garbage on clay (for top players standards). No matter how weak the field he will do very well to win 1 RG (which I could see him possibly doing due to a weak clay field and outright determination and overall talent, but that is it; it is similar to Seles at Wimbledon if she weren't stabbed, would have been lucky just to win 1). I agree there isn't a prospective planet both Sinner and Alcarez won 4 or 5 RG titles but that was never going to happen for Sinner on that surface anyway, which does not impede on Alcarez's chances there. Alcarez I could see if he really maximizes his potential on clay and in general, but I wouldn't bet on it.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Let's be honest Hewitt was never a slam contender once Fed hits his prime.
martinezownsclay
Hall of Fame
He was a contender IMO. He was just the contender with the least chance of beating Federer at that point, including even Roddick. Probably less than even some non contenders. But if Federer was ever taken out for him, he was definitely one of the few people left with the best chance of winning.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
The way he laid eggs in 2004 USO final with the worst final performance by a top Seed he was never a contender imo. He wasn't constantly losing to Fed but also to many other players.
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